Korean Air 2708 at HND

[Whinging Tinny]

Korean Air jet aborts takeoff due to engine fire at Haneda airport (http://newsonjapan.com/html/newsdesk/article/116435.php)

[readywhenreaching]

looks like some shrapnel in LP went through the cowling

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cjc2mBTWgAAgwy3.jpg:large
jacdec.de (http://www.jacdec.de/2016/05/27/2016-05-27-korean-air-boeing-777-300-engine-fire-at-tokyo-haneda/)

[jolihokistix]

And from NHK. Some passengers taken to hospital.


Ignore the newsreader's last line.
Korean Air jet evacuated due to fire - News - NHK WORLD - English (http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20160527_23/)

[Jabawocky]

History repeats all right.

Look at all the carry on being carted away. :ugh:

[GSeries_jetcrew]

Does anyone else think it's strange the Captain elected to blow the slides for this?

[ACMS]

Oh boy here we go the Monday morning quarterbacks are out early.

I'm sure the Captain did what he had to do at the time with the information he had available to him.

[flight_mode]

Does anyone else think it's strange the Captain elected to blow the slides for this?

.......................No

[PuceBaboon]

I'm an apple farmer, not a pilot, so take my comments as being what they are ...an interested but clueless spectator.
I live in Japan and had just walked into the house for lunch when I saw the live feed for this come up on one of the news channels. There appeared to be fuel burning on the ground. The fire-crews were already foaming it. One of the live close-up shots appeared to show damage to the underside of the wing (not just the engine cowling) and it looks very much like the port engine had suffered an "uncontained failure".
Passengers reported a single, loud bang from the engine.
A video, which appears to have been taken from the observation deck, shows the plane already stopped with flames coming from the engine and flames on the tarmac. A couple of seconds later a very large plume of white vapour sprays out of the engine (which I assume was the extinguisher being triggered) and the flames from the engine subside, but there are still flames on the ground.
The fire crews were on the scene very quickly and foamed it for a good long while (they weren't taking any chances). Even though the extinguisher seemed to have been quite effective, they concentrated their efforts on the rear of the port engine and surrounding area (including the tarmac).
To an apple farmer, it looked like the captain made a good call on the slides. :-)

[scoobydoo44]

No surprise slides were used with a developing port side engine fire thousands of litres of jet A1 and the possibility of hot brakes . If the captain didn't initiate the evacuation then the RFFS OIC would have .

[wheels up]

Does anyone else think it's strange the Captain elected to blow the slides for this?

Looks like uncontained engine failure, hot brakes after RTO, engine fire, possibly secondary damage to fuel tanks. Uh, let me think about this.

[infrequentflyer789]

BA B777 , Vegas Sept 2015. History repeats itself. Good job on the RTO.

Except, several sources have it as HL7534 which apparently has P&W engines, where the BA 777 had GE.

So, probably not the same cause, moderately interesting that two different engines have let go compressors (by the look of it) on the 777 (and on the same side), but probably nothing more than coincidence.

[Longtimer]

General information & flightlog
http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b777-27950.htm


Serial number 27950 LN:120
Type 777-3B5
First flight date 04/02/1998
Test registration N5020K
Plane age 18.3 years
Seat configuration

Flights recorded
KE1242 CJU->GMP 08/03/16
KE653 ICN->BKK 06/11/13
KE623 ICN->MNL 04/11/13
See details - Add a flight


Engines 2 x PW PW4098

[armchairpilot94116]

Considering how fast the Ci 738 went up in flames in Okinawa and how slow the trucks came there, just as one example , it is a good call to evac pronto.

Better for airlines to charge for hand carry rather than the other way around. Passengers can't get their stuff out of the hold, but they sure will carry all their hand carry.

There's no way to stop that, human nature.

[Severe Clear]

Korean Air Jet Evacuated In Engine Fire Drama (http://news.sky.com/story/1702802/korean-air-jet-evacuated-in-engine-fire-drama)

[Herod]

Ref carry-on. I have quite a lot of stuff in my carry-on luggage, but what I always have on my person is my wallet and passport.
The rest can be replaced, but those are going down the slide with me. Not happened yet, and hopefully never will.

[RobertS975]

An active fuel fed fire under a wing full of fuel and maybe some sharpnel perforations with further fuel leaks should be evacuated as quickly as possible. It is only evacuations where everyone gets out that subsequently people seem to question the need for.

[philbky]

At least, for the second time, the aircraft was on the ground and the crew reacted swiftly. The question that should be asked is how many hours on the engine, when was it last checked and how quickly can the failure be identified and engines with parts from the same batch be checked in case this is a manufacturing fault and not a metallurgical one off.

[GlobalNav]

While thankfully not of a significant consequence, the aft right door evacuation slide became unusable, apparently because of the wind blowing it under the airplane. Thankfully no one tried, in haste, to use it.

[fdr]

This aircraft used to have 4098's on it, which were then supposedly converted back to 4090's at the manufacturers request, the 98's were a very small series, only the 4 x -300's of KAL had them, 1 spare, 1 development and 1 at the Smithsonian out at IAD.

Crew did a good job, well done.

Pax carriage of bags etc is nothing new, its about the norm, the pax are hardly interested in their own safety, and certainly don't appear to give any though about the consequences of their actions on other peoples safety. Par for the course in todays world.

[jolihokistix]

Luckily for the passengers not too cold and not too hot this time of year outside at Haneda Airport, er, Airstation, er, Airlanding&take-off ....

[susier]

Question from SLF, if you don't mind:


With reference to the slide being blown underneath the aircraft, as reported by another poster, is this something that happens often?


I'm wondering if the wind was particularly strong; if so then it was very fortunate that the plane was facing the way it was, so that the fire and heat were channelled away from the cabin.


I don't know if this was deliberate on the part of the crew, in terms of turning the plane relative to the wind before stopping?


In which case a slide being blown under is, I suppose, the lesser of two evils?

[Squawk_ident]

The incident occurred at about 0335Z (1235 LT) 27MAY. (FR24)
Take off attempted on runway 34R
METAR for this period:

SA 27/05/2016 01:30->

METAR RJTT 270130Z 04024KT 6000 -SHRA FEW005 SCT009 BKN020
19/18 Q1008 TEMPO FEW005 BKN008 RMK 2ST005 4ST009
6CU020 A2977=

SP 27/05/2016 01:43->

SPECI RJTT 270143Z 04020KT 6000 -SHRA FEW005 BKN009 BKN012
19/18 Q1008 RMK 1ST005 6CU009 7CU012 A2979=

SA 27/05/2016 02:00->

METAR RJTT 270200Z 04020KT 7000 -SHRA FEW008 BKN009 BKN012
19/18 Q1008 NOSIG RMK 2CU008 6CU009 7CU012 A2978
MOD TURB OBS AT 0143Z 5NM W MESSE 4000FT BY A320=

SA 27/05/2016 02:30->

METAR RJTT 270230Z 04016KT 9999 -SHRA FEW009 BKN010 BKN013
19/18 Q1009 TEMPO FEW005 BKN008 RMK 1CU009 6CU010
7CU013 A2980=

SA 27/05/2016 03:00->

METAR RJTT 270300Z 05019KT 9999 -SHRA FEW010 SCT015 BKN035
19/17 Q1009 TEMPO FEW005 BKN008 RMK 1CU010 3CU015
6CU035 A2980=

SA 27/05/2016 03:30->

METAR RJTT 270330Z 06020KT 9999 FEW008 SCT013 BKN018 19/18
Q1009 TEMPO FEW005 BKN008 RMK 1CU008 3CU013 6CU018
A2980=

SA 27/05/2016 04:00->

METAR RJTT 270400Z 06021KT 9999 -SHRA FEW008 SCT020 BKN060
19/17 Q1009 NOSIG RMK 1CU008 4CU020 7SC060 A2979=

SA 27/05/2016 04:30->

METAR RJTT 270430Z 06022KT 9999 -SHRA FEW010 BKN016 BKN060
19/16 Q1009 NOSIG RMK 1CU010 5CU016 7SC060 A2979=

SA 27/05/2016 05:00->

METAR RJTT 270500Z 06021KT 9999 -SHRA FEW012 SCT015 BKN020
19/16 Q1009 NOSIG RMK 1CU012 3CU015 5SC020 A2979=

SA 27/05/2016 05:30->

METAR RJTT 270530Z 07018KT 9999 -SHRA FEW012 SCT014 BKN016
18/17 Q1008 NOSIG RMK 1CU012 4CU014 6SC016 A2979=


(Source OGIMET.COM)

[anengineer]

I'm just wondering whether a central-locking system for the bins that activated in the event of an evacuation would help ? On the other hand, even if they'd been told a hundred times in advance, there would still be people struggling to open the bins to get their stuff, or arguing with the FAs that they needed their hand luggage - all in the middle of an evacuation. Probably slow everyone down wouldn't it ?

[DaveReidUK]

I think you've answered your own question.

As a general rule, demonstrated regularly here on PPRuNe, a simple solution to long-standing, complex problem rarely turns out to be either simple or a solution. :O

[jolihokistix]

There were some horrendous mistakes at Narita because of the abiguity of certain words in English and American. "Take the next left" off the runway meant something to the Cathay pilot that the control tower were not expecting, for example..

[PersonFromPorlock]

Regarding PAX taking hand luggage in an evacuation, it apparently is common enough that if it is really dangerous, it should already have killed or injured someone. Has it?

[YRP]

There were some horrendous mistakes at Narita because of the abiguity of certain words in English and American. "Take the next left" off the runway meant something to the Cathay pilot that the control tower were not expecting, for example..


What are you referring to here, jolihokistix? Is this some past incident?

[Maisk Rotum]

All this talk about who has the ultimate authority to act ignores the fact that a punitive culture exists there. At the moment the boss is at war with the pilot union-the union is suing its own CEO for saying flying is easier than driving a car.

Right now there will be a team of henchmen listening to the CVR and ATC tapes, checking the FDR and examining the whole incident to see if the union member captain missed one single standard callout or missed one single micromanaged, overprescriptive procedure.

Then he will be able to go public and discredit them in order to deny their demand for a pay rise.

[ThreeThreeMike]

Regarding PAX taking hand luggage in an evacuation, it apparently is common enough that if it is really dangerous, it should already have killed or injured someone. Has it?

There might be an injury if I'm a passenger on a flight where another pax near me retrieves his carry-on from the bin during a ground evacuation. I plan on wrenching the bag from his hands and giving him a good hard kick in the rear towards the exit. :ok:

[PEI_3721]

33M, why should we condone your actions opposed to the behaviour of the other passenger. Both are aspects of human behaviour; theirs with a unique understanding of the situation at the time, yours with hindsight.
Risk management involves a realistic balance of potential hazards in a range of foreseeable contexts.
What might the balance be between a fit able passenger retrieving a bag vs a frail elderly passenger in the isle seat; and how might their actions change if the fire/smoke was in the cabin vs outside and might not be seen.

cf Cranfield University studies - Helen Miur; IIRC, the dominant issues were age, incentive - perception of threat, location and type/size of exit.
Also see http://www.raes-hfg.com/reports/15oct03-Centennial/15oct03-HMuir.pdf

[Willit Run]

I would certainly hope, for humanities sake, that we would help the frail elderly passenger in the isle seat. If someone cannot think of others in this time of danger.....

We are a sorry lot if we value our clothes over the life of another human.

[falcon12]

Agree with you WR. I would take my mobile phone as well as wallet and passport so I can let nearest and dearest i got out. Sure, I would stop to help the obligatory frail/elderly, but never stop to take a selfie! That seem to be a common sense approach to deal with an evacuation but it doesn't ever seem to pan out that way.

[Mad (Flt) Scientist]

@ PEI_3721
... the dominant issues were age, incentive ...

I think they were just finishing up those studies when i was at Cranfield. I seem to recall there was a five pound "prize" for being in the first 50% out of the aircraft. That alone was sufficient incentive to prompt some truly noteworthy enthusiasm to get out the aircraft. I recall being told one particularly keen chap basically took a "superman" dive through the doorway ...

[Frequent_Flyer]

NHK World has reported the following today:

The Japan Transport Safety Board has determined that a fuel leak in an engine turbine caused the fire that broke out on a Korean Air passenger plane at an airport in Tokyo last year.

The left engine of the Boeing 777 caught fire shortly before takeoff in May of last year. The passenger jet was about to depart Haneda Airport for Seoul.

All passengers and crewmembers evacuated the plane. Nine passengers sustained injuries.

An inspection of the engine by board technical analysts found that the turbine blades were broken.

Further investigations have determined that the engine kept running and prompted abnormal vibrations, which caused three ruptures within the malfunctioning turbine.

One of the ruptures was 34 centimeters long.
Board members say those ruptures caused fuel to leak and spark a fire.

Japan's transport ministry says it has officially categorized the fire as an aviation accident.

[lomapaseo]

Update 2017: Turbine rupture caused 2016 Korean Air fire


Is there a report with photos of the engine damage and source of the fuel?

[pattern_is_full]

Aviation Herald has photo of damaged Stage 1 Turbine blade, and quotes the report as saying that vibrations from the damaged turbine cracked the fuel/oil heat exchanger (among other things) which was then the source of the fuel leak...

Accident: Korean B773 at Tokyo on May 27th 2016, rejected takeoff due to engine fire (http://avherald.com/h?article=498e2ae5&opt=0)

[lomapaseo]

Thanks

That's a lot more than a turbine blade failure. With a partially fractured disk the imbalance would be high enough to challenge the shaft support system as well. Sounds like one of the rare few cases where run-on made the situation worse.

[pattern_is_full]

Yeah, just my fuzzy brain - disk, not blade.