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And from NHK. Some passengers taken to hospital.
Ignore the newsreader's last line.
Korean Air jet evacuated due to fire - News - NHK WORLD - English
Ignore the newsreader's last line.
Korean Air jet evacuated due to fire - News - NHK WORLD - English
Oh boy here we go the Monday morning quarterbacks are out early.
I'm sure the Captain did what he had to do at the time with the information he had available to him.
I'm sure the Captain did what he had to do at the time with the information he had available to him.
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I'm an apple farmer, not a pilot, so take my comments as being what they are ...an interested but clueless spectator.
I live in Japan and had just walked into the house for lunch when I saw the live feed for this come up on one of the news channels. There appeared to be fuel burning on the ground. The fire-crews were already foaming it. One of the live close-up shots appeared to show damage to the underside of the wing (not just the engine cowling) and it looks very much like the port engine had suffered an "uncontained failure".
Passengers reported a single, loud bang from the engine.
A video, which appears to have been taken from the observation deck, shows the plane already stopped with flames coming from the engine and flames on the tarmac. A couple of seconds later a very large plume of white vapour sprays out of the engine (which I assume was the extinguisher being triggered) and the flames from the engine subside, but there are still flames on the ground.
The fire crews were on the scene very quickly and foamed it for a good long while (they weren't taking any chances). Even though the extinguisher seemed to have been quite effective, they concentrated their efforts on the rear of the port engine and surrounding area (including the tarmac).
To an apple farmer, it looked like the captain made a good call on the slides. :-)
I live in Japan and had just walked into the house for lunch when I saw the live feed for this come up on one of the news channels. There appeared to be fuel burning on the ground. The fire-crews were already foaming it. One of the live close-up shots appeared to show damage to the underside of the wing (not just the engine cowling) and it looks very much like the port engine had suffered an "uncontained failure".
Passengers reported a single, loud bang from the engine.
A video, which appears to have been taken from the observation deck, shows the plane already stopped with flames coming from the engine and flames on the tarmac. A couple of seconds later a very large plume of white vapour sprays out of the engine (which I assume was the extinguisher being triggered) and the flames from the engine subside, but there are still flames on the ground.
The fire crews were on the scene very quickly and foamed it for a good long while (they weren't taking any chances). Even though the extinguisher seemed to have been quite effective, they concentrated their efforts on the rear of the port engine and surrounding area (including the tarmac).
To an apple farmer, it looked like the captain made a good call on the slides. :-)
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No surprise slides were used with a developing port side engine fire thousands of litres of jet A1 and the possibility of hot brakes . If the captain didn't initiate the evacuation then the RFFS OIC would have .
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Does anyone else think it's strange the Captain elected to blow the slides for this?
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So, probably not the same cause, moderately interesting that two different engines have let go compressors (by the look of it) on the 777 (and on the same side), but probably nothing more than coincidence.
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General information & flightlog
http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b777-27950.htm
Serial number 27950 LN:120
Type 777-3B5
First flight date 04/02/1998
Test registration N5020K
Plane age 18.3 years
Seat configuration
Flights recorded
KE1242 CJU->GMP 08/03/16
KE653 ICN->BKK 06/11/13
KE623 ICN->MNL 04/11/13
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Engines 2 x PW PW4098
http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b777-27950.htm
Serial number 27950 LN:120
Type 777-3B5
First flight date 04/02/1998
Test registration N5020K
Plane age 18.3 years
Seat configuration
Flights recorded
KE1242 CJU->GMP 08/03/16
KE653 ICN->BKK 06/11/13
KE623 ICN->MNL 04/11/13
See details - Add a flight
Engines 2 x PW PW4098
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Considering how fast the Ci 738 went up in flames in Okinawa and how slow the trucks came there, just as one example , it is a good call to evac pronto.
Better for airlines to charge for hand carry rather than the other way around. Passengers can't get their stuff out of the hold, but they sure will carry all their hand carry.
There's no way to stop that, human nature.
Better for airlines to charge for hand carry rather than the other way around. Passengers can't get their stuff out of the hold, but they sure will carry all their hand carry.
There's no way to stop that, human nature.
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Ref carry-on. I have quite a lot of stuff in my carry-on luggage, but what I always have on my person is my wallet and passport.
The rest can be replaced, but those are going down the slide with me. Not happened yet, and hopefully never will.
The rest can be replaced, but those are going down the slide with me. Not happened yet, and hopefully never will.
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Of Course Evac was Necessary and Proper!
An active fuel fed fire under a wing full of fuel and maybe some sharpnel perforations with further fuel leaks should be evacuated as quickly as possible. It is only evacuations where everyone gets out that subsequently people seem to question the need for.
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At least, for the second time, the aircraft was on the ground and the crew reacted swiftly. The question that should be asked is how many hours on the engine, when was it last checked and how quickly can the failure be identified and engines with parts from the same batch be checked in case this is a manufacturing fault and not a metallurgical one off.
While thankfully not of a significant consequence, the aft right door evacuation slide became unusable, apparently because of the wind blowing it under the airplane. Thankfully no one tried, in haste, to use it.
This aircraft used to have 4098's on it, which were then supposedly converted back to 4090's at the manufacturers request, the 98's were a very small series, only the 4 x -300's of KAL had them, 1 spare, 1 development and 1 at the Smithsonian out at IAD.
Crew did a good job, well done.
Pax carriage of bags etc is nothing new, its about the norm, the pax are hardly interested in their own safety, and certainly don't appear to give any though about the consequences of their actions on other peoples safety. Par for the course in todays world.
Crew did a good job, well done.
Pax carriage of bags etc is nothing new, its about the norm, the pax are hardly interested in their own safety, and certainly don't appear to give any though about the consequences of their actions on other peoples safety. Par for the course in todays world.
Luckily for the passengers not too cold and not too hot this time of year outside at Haneda Airport, er, Airstation, er, Airlanding&take-off ....