Dubai/Abu Dhabi vacancies

[T250]

Quite a few vacancies come up recently in UAE at both DXB and AUH.

What's going on? Mass exodus/retirees/redundancies?

Roles from ATCO to specialists. :}

[my hands are tied]

Expect even more as new heavy handed draconian measures over working hours come into play :-(

[ATLATC]

Is SERCO still running both operations?
And, does anyone know if they've lifted the 50 and older hiring restrictions?


Thx

[T250]

See for yourself here:

Air Traffic Control jobs (http://jobs.flightglobal.com/jobs/air-traffic-control/)

[BDiONU]

Dubai has its own ANSP now, DANS (Dubai Air Navigation Services), and all the managers work for them. SERCO still provide some contract staff but the intention is to whittle that down.

[Voel]

Quite a few vacancies come up recently in UAE at both DXB and AUH.

What's going on? Mass exodus/retirees/redundancies?


Increase in traffic together with additional sectors and IPO

[Supertoad]

Does anyone know what the conditions are like? Working hours, leave, wages, pension. Do they provide anything for the kiddies, like schooling. And how do the wages compare with the cost of living?

[eagleflyer]

From what I´ve seen it seems to be an offer some of my colleagues might find attractive, especially the younger ones in our company. No housing or schooling allowances, no paid flights home from what I saw, but the regular compensation plus the rate overtime shifts go for suggest it´s not too shabby. Shifts seem to be 6 on / 4 off, MM-LL-NN, 5-6hrs in the position per day.

[Red Dragon]

No housing or schooling allowances, no paid flights home from what I saw,

That's not correct, at least in terms of Dubai. Housing allowance is paid either in your monthly salary (dans) or as a separate annual payment (Serco). Both employers pay schooling allowance however there are differences. Dans pay business class home once a year, Serco pay economy.

As has already been alluded to though, things are becoming unsettled as a result of recent decisions on working hours. A time to sit back and watch how this plays out.

[Euroc5175]

GAL ANS is currently recruiting both ADC & APS rated ATCOs for roles at the various airports they provide ANS for within the UAE.
Check out the adverts on Flight Global or the GAL website.
Reason for recruitment is additional sectors, increased traffic and the planned introduction of Independent Parallel Ops at OMAA.

[atcoexpert]

Didn't see anything on Flight Global or the GAL website. It's gal.ae right?

[Voel]

Closing date was 08 May 2016. I guess for that reason no longer on the respective websites

[prascho]

PMif u need detailed information

[nickjonas]

Any information on apc testfor ADC? How is it conducted and what how many days would it take?

[OscarKilo]

Could somebody PM the latest packages for DXB tower?

[cloverm]

Going for APC at GAL (approach radar) in next few weeks and am wondering if anyone is able to shed some light on what that entails also any info on what the compensation package for GAL currently is.
PM me would be great

[ATC alert]

Some current information on Dubai, SERCO, Abu, Bahrain and Doha.... Dubai upper mngmt (locals) has their head up....... Lowered hiring maximum age to 45. No pension, not a lot of incentives and yet they want individuals who will come and put 10-20 years in. ATCO's are starting to leave in 2's and 3's because of conditions. Wages are less then some other ME locations but living expenses incredibly high.

SERCO is pretty much a non-player now in Dubai and for a good part of ME. Why, their HR is terrible/horrible in fact, line mngmt not much better and they just haven't kept up with the times.

GAL is Abu and just forget about this location. Bottom of the pay scale, considerably less then other ME locations. They won't pay for you to go for APC's unlike the rest of the local ANS providers and everything is at your own expense for the hiring process. These guys are obviously just trying to take advantage of the desperate ones out there which will eventually backfire on them. Cost of living still very high and their pay/allowances are 20% less then Doha/Bahrain/Dubai for instance. GAL have a little more respect for this profession.

In Bahrain ATCO's seem to be the happiest bunch of the group, renumeration is good and management is cohesive.

That leaves Doha.... 3 days on and one day off (oh ok a sleep day as well that counts as your day off even though you worked till 6am that day). Yes the sleep day is found other places but when its one of four much different then one of two. Promises of raises for some time that have never happened and staffing just crazy. One controller working the unit that a minimum of three would be working in other locations. Perhaps one day someone will come and save us but for now we are just doing what we need to do.

All of these locations have some assets/positive things to offer as well and all of the above may be interpreted in different ways but the facts of them are all true and up to date.

[atco1985]

Hi, I am going to attend APC in Dubai shortly, so could You tell me what to expect?

[360BakTrak]

That leaves Doha.... 3 days on and one day off

6/4 now :ok:

[Satellite Man]

Some current information on Dubai, SERCO, Abu, Bahrain and Doha.... Dubai upper mngmt (locals) has their head up....... Lowered hiring maximum age to 45. No pension, not a lot of incentives and yet they want individuals who will come and put 10-20 years in. ATCO's are starting to leave in 2's and 3's because of conditions. Wages are less then some other ME locations but living expenses incredibly high.

SERCO is pretty much a non-player now in Dubai and for a good part of ME. Why, their HR is terrible/horrible in fact, line mngmt not much better and they just haven't kept up with the times.

GAL is Abu and just forget about this location. Bottom of the pay scale, considerably less then other ME locations. They won't pay for you to go for APC's unlike the rest of the local ANS providers and everything is at your own expense for the hiring process. These guys are obviously just trying to take advantage of the desperate ones out there which will eventually backfire on them. Cost of living still very high and their pay/allowances are 20% less then Doha/Bahrain/Dubai for instance. GAL have a little more respect for this profession.

In Bahrain ATCO's seem to be the happiest bunch of the group, renumeration is good and management is cohesive.

That leaves Doha.... 3 days on and one day off (oh ok a sleep day as well that counts as your day off even though you worked till 6am that day). Yes the sleep day is found other places but when its one of four much different then one of two. Promises of raises for some time that have never happened and staffing just crazy. One controller working the unit that a minimum of three would be working in other locations. Perhaps one day someone will come and save us but for now we are just doing what we need to do.

All of these locations have some assets/positive things to offer as well and all of the above may be interpreted in different ways but the facts of them are all true and up to date.

How many hours do you guys work on the ME per month on average? I mean all the real hours apart from the roster, adding up extra hours or whatever..

Also, what would be the housing costs in Dubai for instance? (in the past I heard horrible stories about paying like 6 months rent upfront the first day of the lease, but I dont know what is the current outlook). What's the average salary for an approach controller in Dubai one actually gets after deducting all the high costs of living in the ME? (maybe PM better)

Thanks!

[GorGor]

Any updated info?

[mehadi66]

Hi any information on the current Dubai Atc package, i would highly appreciate if you can PM me or email me

[GorGor]

Hi any information on the current Dubai Atc package, i would highly appreciate if you can PM me or email me

So would I!!

[Pringle_]

Hi,
I would also appreciate if anyone is able to pm me the current Dubai twr package.

[big_head]

Hi, would be very grateful If anybody could send through the current Dubai and Qatar twr packages. Would like to know what I am in for before making contact and possibly wasting everyone's time. Thanks.

[Maggie Island]

At the risk of attracting heavy GAL inspired flak, could someone pm through the conditions at AUH?

[M_Frey]

Hi to every one. According the post title: any italians ATCO works in DXB or other locations in ME?
I'm pretty interested about working there...
Please PM me

[possibleconsequences]

Hi, if anyone could send me any details to contact etc would be much appreciated

[Voel]

https://jobs.flightglobal.com/jobs/air-traffic-control/middle-east/#browsing

[midhurst]

So both DANS and Serco are advertising for Dubai TWR & APP Controllers... which entity is better to work for? Much/ any difference in T&Cs?

[Sorensop]

Please PM me if you know the package for either DXB/DWC, AUH, BAH or DOH. Thanks in advance!

[VectorMe]

Please PM me if you know the package for either DXB/DWC, AUH, BAH or DOH. Thanks in advance!

(not asking for much, are ya ... )

Best way to get this info is to APPLY . . . . if they want you , you will get direct word on what they offer.
If you don't like what you hear, say "thanks but no thanks" . . . am positive they hear that more than you might think.

:D:D:D

[Rotary 777]

Dear esteemed colleagues,
this is just a friendly word of advice to any of you out there who are toying with the idea of actually going to work for THE WORST ANS provider I've EVER had the unlucky privilege to encounter( this is of course only my and 27 other escapees opinions but backed with an accumulated experience of over 100 years, (both resignations and abscondee's in the last 9months ...!)
It's not being written to vent or as some kind of retribution ......purely as a fact based word of warning to anyone seeking a position in the sandpit.( choose wisely ....this provider has advertised recently....with a so called "competitive package" roughly translated, means......it's still THE WORST available , but we now want you to commit to a term of 2 years with us for the privledge of receiving the pay rise you should have had kanyway!! AND agree to no increment payments, whilst others do get them!:rolleyes: For the remainder of your contract.:ugh:
It is however , very near one of the best contracts available and a major tourist/transit hub.
So just to summarise in a short table:-
Looking for a job in the sandpit..........
YES.
Choose 1 of the other ( and FAR FAR better !) contracts

then congratulate yourself, and look forward to:
Yearly pay increment
Yearly bonus.
Allowances without arguments and ON Time!
relatively stress free and happy
OR
The almost Anonymous Worst ANSP,
and look forward to

No pay increments.
NO yearly bonus(unless.
Your management)
No Leave for an average
9 months and then NOT when
You Request it.
STRESS.
Sleepless nights
Bullying
Intimidation
Living nightmare

SERIOUSLY.......are you mad???

Anyway.......I hope you get the picture.....and As I said....it's not for any retribution.....purely facts to digest....and help make an educated decision. If you still decide to wear the rose tints .......DONT SAY YOU WERN'T WARNED!!!!

[Maggie Island]

The almost Anonymous Worst ANSP,
and look forward to

No pay increments.
NO yearly bonus(unless.
Your management)
No Leave for an average
9 months and then NOT when
You Request it.
STRESS.
Sleepless nights
Bullying
Intimidation
Living nightmare

Any chance youd be willing to elaborate with a few cheeky figures???

[seoulcontroller]

Tks for the live info, Rotary 777!

I couldn't understand why the ANSP treats controllers like that cause their country has a lot of oil and money :-(

Bullying, intimidation ...
I couldn't even imagine what's going on there!

So Sorry to hear that!!!

[sandviper]

Takeit from someone who has seen the place in the sun descend into the situationwhere it is now. It’s terrible, its sad and its a professional disgrace.. On the plus side, it makes for a great case study in "How to totally ruin a good business through toxic leadership, nepotism and racism"


Totake a reasonably good place to work, with imperfect, but "human"management and turn it into a place that is losing staff faster than anyone wouldhave thought possible, things are beyond bad. http://www.pprune.org/data:image/png;base64,R0lGODlhIgAPALMAAP///8bGxv+MjP97e/9zc4SEhP9jY/9aWv9KSu8xMdYhIc4hIUJCQgAAAP///wAAACH5BAUUAA4ALAAAAAAiAA8AAASF0MlJa7u36s3dPSCCZF1JNYaBGkeTJ I1posQwNERzIG8sc6hbQzBQuWC/jc4gJBpfCl9yshwIrsUdVKrBeL/gsPgSAAAa5jOggG4UzI1yAA2Yp+nz9gVOf9P3bWp/gYCFaAx8ZYRmbGeAjmVqcGeIfXF1i5OYY5ydXj8XCqIKCyRTJV9JEQA7http ://www.pprune.org/data:image/png;base64,R0lGODlhIgAPALMAAP///8bGxv+MjP97e/9zc4SEhP9jY/9aWv9KSu8xMdYhIc4hIUJCQgAAAP///wAAACH5BAUUAA4ALAAAAAAiAA8AAASF0MlJa7u36s3dPSCCZF1JNYaBGkeTJ I1posQwNERzIG8sc6hbQzBQuWC/jc4gJBpfCl9yshwIrsUdVKrBeL/gsPgSAAAa5jOggG4UzI1yAA2Yp+nz9gVOf9P3bWp/gYCFaAx8ZYRmbGeAjmVqcGeIfXF1i5OYY5ydXj8XCqIKCyRTJV9JEQA7


Thelocals in charge are incompetent, arrogant and frankly it’s a bit of a crimethat they are in control of the business. What I am most amazed about is thatthe clear thinking intelligent leaders at the very top of the UAE aviationbusiness is not taking decisive action before the embarrassment of the currentreality has direct financial impact on the whole Emirate. Time will tell how this ends, but I dont see it going well for the current "leaders"........

[atclinds]

Hi, could anybody please PM me any information on Salary, living arrangements and life in Abu Dhabi? Thanks in advance.

[Rotary 777]

Sandy viper......couldn't agree more!!
Maggie Island.........its no secret, Doha has best package and conditions at the mo, ...then Dubai/DWC and bottom of the pile....AD. Putting aside the the complete turmoil and staffing crisis at the moment, the company have tried to stop the exodus, and have offered a 5 K rise for a 2 years handcuffs. ( however the genius that came up with it forgot to take into account that the staff eligible for it would actually be on more now had the promised increments been honoured.........so in effect it's actually a pay cut that is being offered, rather insulting and usual management tactic of the present company( how can we screw over the grass roots staff and make it look like we are doing them a favour)

Atclinds........I assume ur still considering a position.....even after the latest info...?
There's ALWAYS one........good luck!!

[Nimmer]

I have heard that 19 approach controllers have left or are in the process of leaving.

There is talk of leave being cancelled and compulsory overtime being enforced.

What is happening out there? Where are all these people going, and maybe some examples of the issues which are making people leave.

[45 before POL]

I have heard that 19 approach controllers have left or are in the process of leaving.

There is talk of leave being cancelled and compulsory overtime being enforced.

What is happening out there? Where are all these people going, and maybe some examples of the issues which are making people leave.

Cancelling leave and compulsory overtime will only make matters worse, especially if people have an option. Most of Europe is short of atcos at the moment area and approach. Canada has been actively recruiting too. If they carry on with their head in the sand there will be no one left. Just like ryanair:E:E:E

[protz]

Canada has been actively recruiting too.

Can you provide a link, please?

[CEP]

https://navcanada.njoyn.com/CL4/XWEB/Xweb.asp?tbtoken=Z15ZSlUSQRx3EwQHQFJJHCFKc3ldclEub1xVU18RBxJ RKkVpXzcedGADPApSVxJUSz5l&chk=dFlbQBJf&CLID=73762&PAGE=JOBDETAILS&JOBID=J0817-0417&BRID=51379&UTM_SOURCE=NJOYN&UTM_MEDIUM=RSS&UTM_CAMPAIGN=PCANDIDATES&LANG=1

[cossack]

Or https://navcanada.njoyn.com/CL4/XWEB/XWeb.asp?tbtoken=ZV9RQR4XCBJwYgEuJS5ALiReMFdVCFtOdhZEcFYpckg jVl15E2NYXTEbLDASdmR3AwkbUxZVT3IqWA%3D%3D&chk=dFlbQBJe&clid=73762&Page=JobDetails&Jobid=J1017-0610&BRID=55980&lang=1

[cloverm]

Any changes in Abu Dhabi approach(Gal) conditions?

[Tired ATCO]

Any changes in Abu Dhabi approach(Gal) conditions?

Yep... as expected things have got worse!! They’ve just slashed medical benefits so it will cost more...... leave restrictions still in place with many leaving in the next few months..... GAL have their head in the sand and arnt bothered..... AUH will suffer but they don’t care

[julietwhisker]

Yep... as expected things have got worse!! They’ve just slashed medical benefits so it will cost more...... leave restrictions still in place with many leaving in the next few months..... GAL have their head in the sand and arnt bothered..... AUH will suffer but they don’t care

Hi! I'd like to know about gal ans hiring process of abu dhabi atco particularly the RAK Contract. How long usually does it take to be hired? I completed APC first week of September 2017.

[DutchATCO]

Hi all,

I am looking for more info on packages in middle east. Quite Some vacancies still on the websites. I am an experienced controller currently working Amsterdam radar looking for New opportunities 😊

Any info is welkome (private)

[DutchATCO]

Anyone with specific info on Bahrein

[qsyenroute]

Funny old thing, when I joined IAL (now SERCO) in 1977 at the age of 24 and worked in the Middle East we enjoyed the same working conditions as you claim you have today in 2017-18;
o No pay increments
o No yearly bonuses
o No leave for an average 9 months and then NOT when you request it but when the SATCO allowed it.
But it was great fun and we never had;
o Stress (sorry what is this word?)
o Sleepless nights (except when we were partying or the baby woke up)
o Bullying (from the SATCO? Never - they were all one of the lads)
o Intimidation (maybe from the Indian ATC Assistants who wanted to sit in your chair and do the job for you!)
o Living nightmare (come on guys; why you are there?)

As they say: plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose (“the more it changes, the more it's the same thing”).

[Commanche 250]

qsyenroute

Amen to that. I was in Oman at the same time and can draw many parallels with what you say. Particularly the SATCO, he certainly was one of the boys. Supported his staff, fought their corner, brought calm and reason to attempts by the ATCOs' employer to react to demands by the DGCA to fire someone before reading an incident report, which often exonerated the ATCO. More than one ATCO's job was saved by his efforts.

Despite having set up the Muscat FIR and ACC (which the DGCA received all the credit) and set up an en-route charges system which made the government over $1million per month (which in the early 80s was very serious money) he got shafted because he knew too much about the DGCA Directors' social habits/lives during the many official trips that he was required to accompany them on. Probably still happens today?

The term "stress" also did not appear in our dictionary, neither did "prima donna"!

[fly065]

Hello everyone,
Brand new on this forum. If somehow has got any experience or feed back being ATCO in Dubai.

Thanks

[Guy D'ageradar]

Don’t! Not at the moment. Many have already left, a large percentage of those remaining are working hard on exit plans. Ask yourself why?

Thank me later......

[fly065]

Ok I understand working conditions are not so good...just the same as the pilots who are leaving massively the airline....

[fly065]

From what I´ve seen it seems to be an offer some of my colleagues might find attractive, especially the younger ones in our company. No housing or schooling allowances, no paid flights home from what I saw, but the regular compensation plus the rate overtime shifts go for suggest it´s not too shabby. Shifts seem to be 6 on / 4 off, MM-LL-NN, 5-6hrs in the position per day.

do you have an idea about the salary ? Thks

[Atcboss]

Salary is around 52000 uad (12500€), depending on which contract you receive (Dans/Serco) allowance for school is include in your package.

[fly065]

Salary is around 52000 uad (12500€), depending on which contract you receive (Dans/Serco) allowance for school is include in your package.
thks and is thé housing rent is included as well ?

[Atcboss]

Yes, housing allowance is part of the 52000/month. Again, according to which contract you have, you receive the équivalent of a business flight ticket per year/adult (max 2). (+/- 15000uad x2).

[big_head]

Yes, housing allowance is part of the 52000/month. Again, according to which contract you have, you receive the équivalent of a business flight ticket per year/adult (max 2). (+/- 15000uad x2).

Hi Atcboss, thanks for the info. Is there a pension system or allowance on top of that salary? Thanks

[Atcboss]

No pension system or allowance at all. On the other hand you will have a 1000 aed salary increase per year and a yearly bonus according your personal and company result ( +/- 30000 aed/year).

[fly065]

No pension system or allowance at all. On the other hand you will have a 1000 aed salary increase per year and a yearly bonus according your personal and company result ( +/- 30000 aed/year).

and how much is the average cost for a flat ( we are 2) ?

[Emma Royds]

https://www.propertyfinder.ae/ is a good tool to use for checking property prices in the UAE.

Rents have been reducing and continue to do so. Expect to pay anything from 100K - 150K for a two bedroom apartment in a decent location in Dubai. Popular areas for ex-pats living in flats are the Marina, Downtown or Sheikh Zayed Road (both sides) between the World Trade Center and Dubai Mall.

Hope this helps.

[Red Dragon]

The 52,000AED quoted is perhaps little low. DXB Tower and Approach are closer to circa 40,000AED/month (+/- depending on experience) not including housing allowance. Housing is either paid annually in a lump sum (Serco) or monthly (DANS) and equates to 210,000AED per year. DANS contracts pay higher annual travel allowances (business class to point of hire rather than Economy for Serco).

Schooling allowance is 60,000 per child for Serco but a little more for DANS. I think it's 2 children with Serco or 3 for DANS. Schooling allowances haven't been increased for many years and are now well below what's needed - especially if you have multiple children. Expect to pay considerably out of your own pocket the older they get.

There are pros and cons that are not number related as to which contract is better, but that's personal choice.

Turnover of staff has increased over the last couple of years for a number of reasons, which I won't go in to, but significantly there are opportunities now in other countries that weren't there before and some have chosen to take them. ATCOs leaving, particularly from Approach, is much higher than average with more to go before the end of the year. But it's not just Dubai that are hurting, there are shortages everywhere. The problem is finding the solutions to retaining and attracting quality ATCOs - and that can only be with better incentives, money being the most effective.

RD

[Atcboss]

FLY065

It really depends on what you used to and what you are looking for. Keep in mind that a 2/3 bedrooms appartment along the coast ( you need at least one extra room for family or friends visiting) is the same price as a villa located 20min away from the shore.

Appartment in JBR/Marina/jumeriah are great if you’re looking for some fun ( time out, beach activities, restaurant, party’s,...) but they can be pretty noisy up to 3am. Very nice view on the sea, almost every appartment comes with a pool and gym to share. Budget will be around 3000/3500 € per month.

Villa are about the same price but with more space, located in a more relax environment. Pool, tennis, gym, playroom for kids,...

[fly065]

Many thanks ATCBOSS

[fly065]

Atcboss;

One more question atcboss do you know if there is an age maximum to be accepted ( because I m 53)

[wereallmadhere]

Hi sorry for jumping on the band wagon but I was wondering if anyone had any specific information on what Abu Dhabi is like now? I don't really want hearsay but if anyone has any direct information on pay and conditions as they are this year? As I know they weren't the best last year.
Thanks in advance

[Vlad the Impaler]

Pm me for recent experiences of AUH but trust me, it ain't good.

[wereallmadhere]

Hi Vlad the Impaler, unfortunately I can not seem to find how I can send you a PM. Could it have been disabled by admin maybe?
As I don't have your email, would you mind sending me an email to this address? [email protected]
Many thanks.

You can’t use the Private Messaging system, add url links or images until you have an established posting history.

[GorGor]

Hi Vlad,
The same goes for me, probably I don't have enough posts to be allowed to send PMs...
My email is [email protected]
Thanx

[wereallmadhere]

Hi I know last year in Abu the pay was 45000 AED That was including your accommodation allowance but I'm not sure if that included schooling allowance.
i know they were talking about getting a pay rise but I don't know if they actually got one. I believe DXB pay slightly more, but then again you are shifting a lot more traffic.

[wereallmadhere]

CEP, what is so bad at Abu Dhabi? No one seems to be clear in what is so bad there? Thanks

[atco1985]

Hi,
Could you tell me how many hours per week do you work in Dubai? Is roster 6days of work and 4 days off?
Is the atmosphere at DXB TWR really so bad?

[Red Dragon]

laxout,

See my previous post for most of the answers to your questions.

Travel is economy class with Serco - two tickets to point of hire a year.

Working cycle is 10 days - generally MMAANNSOOO. Annual leave is 34 working days.

As for negotiation, maybe, but usually you go in at bottom of scale. Pay scales are not published or visible to the employees.

RD

[laxout]

Hey Red Dagon,

Thanks for replying to my thread.

Could you please explain the 10 day work schedule? Am I reading it correctly?
Morning Shift, Morning Shift, Afternoon Shift Afternoon Shift, Night Shift, Night Shift, Overnight Shift, Day Off x3

For annual leave, is it earned a little every paycheck or do I have to wait a year before I get allotted the 34 days off.

Also, if you don't mind, I would like to ask you a few more questions. Please send me an email [email protected]

Thanks in advance! :)

[laxout]

Hey ATCO1985,

I am headed to APC in Dubai soon. :) I would appreciate any advice you could give. Or lessons learned. Please email me at [email protected].

Thanks in advance :)

[Pringle_]

Hey Red Dagon,

Thanks for replying to my thread.

Could you please explain the 10 day work schedule? Am I reading it correctly?
Morning Shift, Morning Shift, Afternoon Shift Afternoon Shift, Night Shift, Night Shift, Overnight Shift, Day Off x3

For annual leave, is it earned a little every paycheck or do I have to wait a year before I get allotted the 34 days off.

Also, if you don't mind, I would like to ask you a few more questions. Please send me an email [email protected]

Thanks in advance! :)

I think he means Morning x 2, Afternoon x 2, Night x 2, sleep, off x3. 6 on 4 off

[theATCO]

Hi guys,

Just wondering if there is anyone here, currenly working at either Dubai or Qatar, that can answer a few questions that I have regarding the unit training and working environment over email?

Regards!

You can’t use the Private Messaging system, add url links or images until you have an established posting history.

[Atco126]

Hello laxout.
I was wondering how did the Apc go ? Did you pass? Did they give you an offer ?
thanks for your response.

[Dilma]

Hi guys,
Just had an telephone interview with GAL, they are looking for ATCO, and asking me for “continuation” on their side (Abu Dhabi). It appears to be an Al Ain position.

it is my first experience, “project”, have no information about entry processes.
any information???

[DJS1]

Hi,

I see Dubai are still recruiting for approach controllers. What’s the situation like over there at the moment? I’m tempted to apply but all the horror stories about Dubai moral and working conditions I’ve heard over the years are putting me off. Are things improving?

DJS1

[anthonsj]

Good evening everyone. Does anyone work for GAL ANS? If so can you tell me how are they as a company in general? They require that I attend an APC but want me to pay my own way. That seems like a big risk for me because it costs a lot for me to go to the UAE and i am not 100% sure of what to expect. This is for a position in RAK. Does anyone presently work there? Thanks for any feedback. I really appreciate it.

[cavuman1]

The people in Dubai don't like the Flintstones. The people in Abu Dhabi do.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program....

- Ed

[anthonsj]

Hi good day. I am presently going through the recruiting process with GAL ANS and they require that i come do the APC also but at my own expense. This is for RAK airport If you don't mind sharing, i would like to know:

-Did you do the APC at your expense also? ie airfare + accommodation

- Did you take up the job at RAK?

-If so, what is it like working there?

-if not, why not?

-How did the contract negotiation go?

Thanks you for you help....

Regards

[anthonsj]

Don’t! Not at the moment. Many have already left, a large percentage of those remaining are working hard on exit plans. Ask yourself why?

Thank me later......

Is this for everywhere in the UAE? I am trying to find out about Ras Al Khaimah specifically. Thanks for your help.

[anthonsj]

hey if anyone is trying to send me a message you can email me at [email protected] . I'm not allowed private messages yet 😑

[chasseur]

hey! there. I had the information that all applicant for GAL asked for a APC, will assume the fees on their own. it's a kind of procedure followed by the compagny.
When did you had the phone interview?

[anthonsj]

hey! there. I had the information that all applicant for GAL asked for a APC, will assume the fees on their own. it's a kind of procedure followed by the compagny.
When did you had the phone interview?
I had my 2nd phone interview in March this year.

[chasseur]

all right ! well if i were u i would venture to go on scene for assessment. The Apc would last approximately 3 days according to rumors. Did they mention the time of the apc? or it’s on your convenience?

[MS800B]

Hi!

Could someone please share any info regarding Sharjah TWR (working conditions, moral, shifts, and any other useful info)? There is very little and limited info about Sharjah that I could find online. This week I 'll have 1st phone interview with Serco for Sharjah position. Also if someone could shed some light on these interviews, APC and process prior signing the contract..


Thank you!

[JackD]

Hi !

I heard almost all of the management has changed in Abu recently. Does that means that the working conditions improve ? They still look seriously understaffed at APP and TWR.
Thank you !

[Brazil in Control]

Is DANS really hiring unexperienced ATCOs for DWC Approach? I worked in ACC for 2 years and just got my TWR rating, however I don't have the minimum experience required in any of them to apply. I've just recently got back to ATC after a 7 year gap. Saw this position open and wasn't sure it's for real. They're not asking for experience nor any English Proficiency levels, as long as you're fluent in written and spoken English. Hard to believe, but I'd love that to be real. For a long time these positions were for locals only.

[anthonsj]

Is DANS really hiring unexperienced ATCOs for DWC Approach? I worked in ACC for 2 years and just got my TWR rating, however I don't have the minimum experience required in any of them to apply. I've just recently got back to ATC after a 7 year gap. Saw this position open and wasn't sure it's for real. They're not asking for experience nor any English Proficiency levels, as long as you're fluent in written and spoken English. Hard to believe, but I'd love that to be real. For a long time these positions were for locals only.

I have applied to DANS and was not successful. I believe what they are looking at is a combination of your years experience and where you have worked i.e. busy airport, with other things such as ojti endorsements as assets. I have 8 yrs total experience (a mix of tower, approach and area with procedural and radar control but no ojti endorsement) and i got rejected several times by DANS and SERCO. I work in the Caribbean in TTZP FIR. I gets no credit for this. So hope you have better luck.

[Brazil in Control]

I have applied to DANS and was not successful. I believe what they are looking at is a combination of your years experience and where you have worked i.e. busy airport, with other things such as ojti endorsements as assets.


Thank you for the insight! I've wanted to apply for an ATC job in the UAE for the longest time, I was living there for the past 6 years, but they had already started the Emiratization and wouldn't hire expats without experience. I even talked to GAL ANS about taking their course, but the person I spoke to guaranteed I wouldn't be hired anyway. I never thought I'd be able to control again, and then recently an opportunity came up in Brazil so I jumped right on it and am here now. My ultimate goal is to come back to the UAE, but 90% os the airports here in Brazil are in the hands of the military, especially the busiest ones, so am not sure I'll be able to get the experience required anytime soon. There's a plan to hand Air Traffic Control to civilians, but that will take some time. And when I saw this position open with no experience nor English Level 4 as requirements, it was hard to believe it was correct, considering what has been requested for the past years. Guess it will take me longer than I thought, but I'll stay on that track and get the qualifications needed with time. ATC is my passion, it's one of the things I am naturally good at. Sadly it's really underappreciated in my country.

[anthonsj]

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I'd like to know about gal ans hiring process of abu dhabi atco particularly the RAK Contract. How long usually does it take to be hired? I completed APC first week of September 2017.
Hi. were you successful in the APC for rak? I have my apc soon and would like to know what it's like working there in RAK regarding salary, packages, work environment etc. thanks for any insight you can provide.

[anthonsj]

Is there anyone in here who can tell me about what's it like working in RAK regarding salary, allowances, work environment, transferability to other units? Thanks for any info you all can give.

[JNev]

So it looks like DWC only had less than 30,000 aircraft movements in 2018 according to DubaiAirports

~82 movements per day is below a lot of untowered airports in the US, is this one of the cushiest jobs in the area? How much less money do they make than the DXB guys moving 13.6x the a/c each day?

[propeller12]

Guys,
I am thinking of moving to another airport. Is there anyone who can tell me more about the contracts Serco is offering now (DXB or DWC). I'm thinking of moving with my whole family, so every bit of info counts. PM if you wish.

[Jklopp1980]

I see Dubai are looking for tower controllers. I'm just wondering if anyone has any info on what sort of packages serco are offering (salary, housing expenses)? I'm thinking of moving over in the new year. Is Dubai tower a good place to work? What is the shift pattern like? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated 😊

[propeller12]

I was invited for a APC but since May I haven't have any feedback from them. They postponed APC and now they don't return any emails. I see Dubai are looking for tower controllers. I'm just wondering if anyone has any info on what sort of packages serco are offering (salary, housing expenses)? I'm thinking of moving over in the new year. Is Dubai tower a good place to work? What is the shift pattern like? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated 😊

[FlyingSaucepan]

Does anybody have information on DWC Tower?

I see they're looking for controllers at the moment. Would appreciate a PM with further info.

Thanks
FS

[Jklopp1980]

I'm currently working in the UK but looking to relocate. Other than Dubai, anybody know of anywhere else that would take on a controller with 4 years experience. (Tower)

[chevvron]

I'm currently working in the UK but looking to relocate. Other than Dubai, anybody know of anywhere else that would take on a controller with 4 years experience. (Tower)
Possibly Spain?

[Jklopp1980]

I was considering Spain but my Spanish is not great and I'm sure that is one of the requirements

[2 sheds]

Improve your Spanish?
2 s

[Jklopp1980]

I'm looking to relocate in the next 6 months so I don't think think I'll have enough time. I can barely string a sentence together:ugh:

[Nimmer]

Doha are getting desperate, staff required for the forthcoming World Cup.

[Jklopp1980]

Thanks! I'll look into Doha. Are there any other places other than the middle east?

[Red Dragon]

I wouldn't pay too much attention to the Dubai ads as recruitment is at a standstill. The ads are just trawling for CVs should things pick up.
DXB Tower would require extensive experience at a significant international airport and DWC Tower don't need anyone.

[Jklopp1980]

Thanks for that. Just wondering where you're getting the information from?

[Red Dragon]

Thanks for that. Just wondering where you're getting the information from?

Location, Location, Location.

:ok:

[Jklopp1980]

Looks like I'm not going anywhere the start of next year :* The gulf seemed like the only place that I'd have a chance

[SThor]

Doha are getting desperate, staff required for the forthcoming World Cup.

I sent you a pm, Nimmer :)

[lethalindu]

Any opportunities open or coming up in EU or Middle East for Area controllers?

[Somewhere In Time]

Does anyone have any contact details for Doha atc?

[Jklopp1980]

Anybody know of anywhere looking for tower controllers? I've applied for Dubai. I can't find anywhere online to apply for Doha

[chevvron]

You could try Vanuatu.

[ramzez]

Does anybody have information on the working conditions and package at Abu Dhabi Approach (GANS)?

Would highly appreciate a PM with further info.

Thanks

[Voel]

Does anybody have information on the working conditions and package at Abu Dhabi Approach (GANS)?

Would highly appreciate a PM with further info.

Thanks
Yes I do

[ramzez]

I sent you a PM