UK AIP - AD 2-EGCC-4-1 (Manchester LLR)

[Baikonour]

For this weekend, I am planning to transit this LLR.

I have seen the various doc available, but they are all interpretations and, some of them, old. Whereas I have no real issues with the route I do like to be able to get to the bottom of (i.e the AIP entries) exactly what it is and what I can do there, and I am unable to find one of the places which should have this.

In the AIP I find 2 references to the LLR.
1. The first one is in Note 3 to ENR 1.4 ATS AIRSPACE CLASSIFICATION - 2.4 Class D - Controlled Airspace, which says that "The Low Level Route is illustrated at AD 2-EGCC-4-1."
2. EGCC AD 2.22 FLIGHT PROCEDURES - 7 SPECIAL LOW LEVEL ROUTE. This also refers to "The Low Level Route is illustrated at AD 2-EGCC-4-1."

Now, EGCC AD 2.22 FLIGHT PROCEDURES - 7 SPECIAL LOW LEVEL ROUTE gives me all the details I need for flight ... but where is this AD 2-EGCC-4-1?

(NB - this is really a question about understanding and using the UK AIP - not really specifically the Manchester LLR.)

Thanks :ok:

B.

[Prop swinger]

It's in the IAIP under Aerodrome Index - Specific. EGCC is Manchester.

[Baikonour]

You are quite right that EGCC is Manchester. And that AD 2-EGCC-4-1 would logically refer to the Aerodrome specific entry of Manchester.

In fact, one of the places I listed in my post is within that entry - EGCC AD 2.22 FLIGHT PROCEDURES - 7 SPECIAL LOW LEVEL ROUTE. That entry refers to "The Low Level Route is illustrated at AD 2-EGCC-4-1."

My question arises because the AD 2-EGCC does not have anything called 4-1 in it...

Each entry is numbered 2.1, 2.2 and so on.

Unless the version at Eurocontrol (http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadbasic/eais-A6B6059206485A7E51DD50E06B0E31A0/3QDXTD5E6YWTY/EN/2015-09-17-AIRAC/html/index-ead-en-GB.html?target=eAIP/EG-GEN-0.1-en-GB.html) is incomplete...

B.

[mrmum]

http://http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadbasic/pamslight-A6B6059206485A7E51DD50E06B0E31A0/7FE5QZZF3FXUS/EN/Charts/AD/AIRAC/EG_AD_2_EGCC_4-1_en_2014-07-24.pdf (http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadbasic/pamslight-A6B6059206485A7E51DD50E06B0E31A0/7FE5QZZF3FXUS/EN/Charts/AD/AIRAC/EG_AD_2_EGCC_4-1_en_2014-07-24.pdf)

You'll find it here in the UK AIP

[ETOPS]

Try this link

EGCC Zone (http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadbasic/pamslight-5F024514C2131DCA69709473256E51BE/7FE5QZZF3FXUS/EN/Charts/AD/AIRAC/EG_AD_2_EGCC_4-1_en_2014-07-24.pdf)

[FREDAcheck]

Or to find it on the NATS site:
NATS | AIS - Home (http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/public/index.php.html)

Then click AIP, "Aerodrame Index - Specific", then "Manchester", then "AD 2-EGCC-4-1".

[Baikonour]

Or to find it on the NATS site:
NATS | AIS - Home

Then click AIP, "Aerodrome Index - Specific", then "Manchester", then "AD 2-EGCC-4-1".

Aha. So there is an inconsistency between NATS' own site and the Eurocontrol site...
Following the links as given by FREDACheck gets you to a page which shows "Charts Related to the Airport " and identifies them properly, so that you can find AD 2-EGCC-4-1, which makes sense.
However, following the links from the Eurocontrol site I linked to above, under "EGCC AD 2.24 CHARTS RELATED TO AN AERODROME" the individual charts are not given any meaningful name/identifier. I now see that AD 2-EGCC-4-1 is listed as "Figure 905"...

It's a bit strange in today's day and age to find such disparities. Also, if, from the NATS site you click on the link for "Manchester Aerodrome - Textual Data" you get sent to the Eurocontrol site and shown a different document than if you had searched through the Eurocontrol site to begin with. Truly bizarre.

I had got used to searching through the Eurocontrol site as I thought that would be the way forward in the long run... but will revert to the NATS site...

Thanks guys (& gals?!)

B.