Infringements - General Aviation Report April 2014

[Level Attitude]

The April General Aviation report has just been released.

I seems that for reported Infringements it now gives a complete breakdown of the actions taken by ATC in managing these, which can only be a good thing; though I doubt this will result in fewer infringements as, generally, no one sets out to infringe in the first place.

I also noticed they talked about the 'FIR Lost' 0030 Squawk. I must admit I have never heard of this before. Had anyone else?

[Sir George Cayley]

Is it possible for you to post a link please?

SGC

[Level Attitude]

Is it possible for you to post a link please?Not sure I know how.

Try this:

http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=6236 (http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=6236)

Or else go to CAA website and type General Aviation Reports in their search facility.

[BEagle]

See: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/General%20Aviation%20Report%20-%20%20April%202014.pdf

CESSNA 152
CONTINENTAL (TELEDYNE) USA
Other
Cruise
EGPH (EDI): Edinburgh
27/03/2014
201403708
Infringement of the Edinburgh CTA (Class D) by an aircraft squawking 'FIR lost'. Aircraft identified as a C152. Adverse Wx conditions involved. Appropriate ATC action taken.
While working as the radar controller I noticed a lost aircraft squawk (0030) enter the zone to the North without contact at 1347. Coordination with the tower was effected to stop departures and search action was initiated. The aircraft was working FIR who passed the details as a C152 that had transited the Edinburgh zone earlier (South to North) but had subsequently left my frequency. Once the aircraft was transferred to me, it quickly became apparent that the pilot had at best intermittent contact with the surface due to rapidly deteriorating weather conditions. General advice was given for the pilot to avoid high ground marked on the ATCSMAC to the North. Eventually I managed to get the pilot established Southbound with the intention of routing him South then Westbound towards their intended destination. This would keep terrain issue to a minimum as assist with the pilots navigation however while Southbound, a Southern IFR inbound aircraft suffered a lightning strike while working the TLA sector which set off the aircraft's ELT. On contact with me, this pilot reported the flight to be normal but was having trouble hearing me on the frequency. I therefore called for Radar 2 support and C152 was transferred to the FIN controller who handled the flight Westbound.
Supplementary 09/04/14:
When I had taken off from Cumbernauld the weather was good but as soon as I had turned from the Edinburgh Forth Road Bridge towards Newburgh, the weather was not looking great so I had to descend from 1,900ft to 900ft for visual contact. I could not fly further due to so much rain, wind and cloud. I then turned back from Balado/Loch Leven towards Edinburgh as I was surrounded by high terrain so Scottish Information 119.875 told me to get back with Edinburgh CTR, I then did and got back safely at Cumbernauld. The METAR and TAF was looking great but just a sudden weather change happened.

[maxred]

Is that GA report still sent out monthly? If I remember it used to come with the GASIL mag. It made good reading, but since I am on N reg, don't get it any longer.

The EDI report was a bit bizarre..

[Maoraigh1]

The April report is VERY interesting. The Islander weather-related incident 2014020533 ref no.
Thethree artificial horizons were all in rough agreement.

And ref 201404221 on the PS-28 cruiser. Lawyers??

201405224 ref seems to show ATC language almost inviting the result

[Sir Niall Dementia]

Maxred;


Its' on line only now. There is no GASIL any more which is a pity as it was always so useful.


SND

[maxred]

Thanks SND. Will look for it on line. Agreed, GASIL was good, well written in a ' lets remind you about that trap' type of style.

[fisbangwollop]

I then turned back from Balado/Loch Leven towards Edinburgh as I was surrounded by high terrain so Scottish Information 119.875 told me to get back with Edinburgh

It was myself that was giving the flight a Basic Service on 119.875 "Scottish Information" when he seemed unsure of his position, after asking him if he needed navigational assistance I asked the flight to squawk 0030 that indicates "LOST" on all ATC radars. After a quick telephone call to D&D I ascertained that Edinburgh ATC were in the best position to help so after passing the details to them I transferred the aircraft over......the rest you can read in the above report. :cool::cool::cool:

See earlier forum post....
http://www.pprune.org/private-flying/536914-scottish-information-simply-best.html

[Talkdownman]

they talked about the 'FIR Lost' 0030 Squawk. I must admit I have never heard of this before. Had anyone else?

This is a long-standing UK procedure. See UK IAIP ENR 1.6-6 Para 2.2.5.5:

Any pilot who believes they are flying in the vicinity of the aerodromes listed below who is lost or temporarily uncertain of position should immediately seek navigational assistance from the appropriate radar unit. Alternatively, they should select code 0030 and contact either London or Scottish Centre on 121.500 MHz for assistance.

[140KIAS]

Another :ok: for Scottish Information. I was passenger in another one of this months MORs (PA28/Fuel Leak/Lockerbie). Declared a PAN on 119.875. Don't think it was fbw was on duty at the time but whoever it was was a great help. We were lucky and everything ended ok but it was a real comfort to know you guys were there and watching us.

[fisbangwollop]

140KIAS
Another for Scottish Information. I was passenger in another one of this months MORs (PA28/Fuel Leak/Lockerbie). Declared a PAN on 119.875. Don't think it was fbw was on duty at the time but whoever it was was a great help. We were lucky and everything ended ok but it was a real comfort to know you guys were there and watching us.


Thanks kindly 140KIAS not me this time but I have arranged for the pilot concerned to come and visit the unit and listen to the incident again in an effort to rebuild her confidence. :cool::cool::cool:

[YODI]

Question while you are here mate, is all UK ATC recorded and stored for a while like in the USA?

Thanks

[fisbangwollop]

Question while you are here mate, is all UK ATC recorded and stored for a while like in the USA?

They are in our NATS control centres, cannot say for other units though. :cool:

[YODI]

Thanks for the reply.

[FantomZorbin]

UK Mil ATC records audio, not sure about radar.

[chevvron]

All UK civil and military ATC radio messages at both centres and airfields must be recorded and retained for a minimum of 30 days. The CAA recommends that Aerodrome FIS radio traffic is recorded but it's not mandatory however I believe Area FIS radio traffic is recorded.
Recording systems have to be approved by the CAA, which gives manufacturers the excuse to hike the price of them, hence few if any Aerodrome FIS units have recorders (Although sometimes it would be useful!!) unless they have recently been ATC units or operate part time ATC/part time AFIS.
Air/Ground radio communications do not need to be recorded.

[soaringhigh650]

Monthly reports on more of the same garbage.... :E
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"Will you stop infringing my Class A dog food!"

[marcus1290]

All air ground is recorded as well.

Mark

[dont overfil]

All air ground is recorded as well.


No. It is not required to be.

D.O.

[Talkdownman]

All air ground is recorded as well
Nope. A/G is not an air traffic service.