Infringements - General Aviation Report April 2014
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Infringements - General Aviation Report April 2014
The April General Aviation report has just been released.
I seems that for reported Infringements it now gives a complete breakdown of the actions taken by ATC in managing these, which can only be a good thing; though I doubt this will result in fewer infringements as, generally, no one sets out to infringe in the first place.
I also noticed they talked about the 'FIR Lost' 0030 Squawk. I must admit I have never heard of this before. Had anyone else?
I seems that for reported Infringements it now gives a complete breakdown of the actions taken by ATC in managing these, which can only be a good thing; though I doubt this will result in fewer infringements as, generally, no one sets out to infringe in the first place.
I also noticed they talked about the 'FIR Lost' 0030 Squawk. I must admit I have never heard of this before. Had anyone else?
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Is it possible for you to post a link please?
Try this:
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&i d=6236
Or else go to CAA website and type General Aviation Reports in their search facility.
See: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/General...ril%202014.pdf
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Infringement of the Edinburgh CTA (Class D) by an aircraft squawking 'FIR lost'. Aircraft identified as a C152. Adverse Wx conditions involved. Appropriate ATC action taken.
While working as the radar controller I noticed a lost aircraft squawk (0030) enter the zone to the North without contact at 1347. Coordination with the tower was effected to stop departures and search action was initiated. The aircraft was working FIR who passed the details as a C152 that had transited the Edinburgh zone earlier (South to North) but had subsequently left my frequency. Once the aircraft was transferred to me, it quickly became apparent that the pilot had at best intermittent contact with the surface due to rapidly deteriorating weather conditions. General advice was given for the pilot to avoid high ground marked on the ATCSMAC to the North. Eventually I managed to get the pilot established Southbound with the intention of routing him South then Westbound towards their intended destination. This would keep terrain issue to a minimum as assist with the pilots navigation however while Southbound, a Southern IFR inbound aircraft suffered a lightning strike while working the TLA sector which set off the aircraft's ELT. On contact with me, this pilot reported the flight to be normal but was having trouble hearing me on the frequency. I therefore called for Radar 2 support and C152 was transferred to the FIN controller who handled the flight Westbound.
Supplementary 09/04/14:
When I had taken off from Cumbernauld the weather was good but as soon as I had turned from the Edinburgh Forth Road Bridge towards Newburgh, the weather was not looking great so I had to descend from 1,900ft to 900ft for visual contact. I could not fly further due to so much rain, wind and cloud. I then turned back from Balado/Loch Leven towards Edinburgh as I was surrounded by high terrain so Scottish Information 119.875 told me to get back with Edinburgh CTR, I then did and got back safely at Cumbernauld. The METAR and TAF was looking great but just a sudden weather change happened.
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Infringement of the Edinburgh CTA (Class D) by an aircraft squawking 'FIR lost'. Aircraft identified as a C152. Adverse Wx conditions involved. Appropriate ATC action taken.
While working as the radar controller I noticed a lost aircraft squawk (0030) enter the zone to the North without contact at 1347. Coordination with the tower was effected to stop departures and search action was initiated. The aircraft was working FIR who passed the details as a C152 that had transited the Edinburgh zone earlier (South to North) but had subsequently left my frequency. Once the aircraft was transferred to me, it quickly became apparent that the pilot had at best intermittent contact with the surface due to rapidly deteriorating weather conditions. General advice was given for the pilot to avoid high ground marked on the ATCSMAC to the North. Eventually I managed to get the pilot established Southbound with the intention of routing him South then Westbound towards their intended destination. This would keep terrain issue to a minimum as assist with the pilots navigation however while Southbound, a Southern IFR inbound aircraft suffered a lightning strike while working the TLA sector which set off the aircraft's ELT. On contact with me, this pilot reported the flight to be normal but was having trouble hearing me on the frequency. I therefore called for Radar 2 support and C152 was transferred to the FIN controller who handled the flight Westbound.
Supplementary 09/04/14:
When I had taken off from Cumbernauld the weather was good but as soon as I had turned from the Edinburgh Forth Road Bridge towards Newburgh, the weather was not looking great so I had to descend from 1,900ft to 900ft for visual contact. I could not fly further due to so much rain, wind and cloud. I then turned back from Balado/Loch Leven towards Edinburgh as I was surrounded by high terrain so Scottish Information 119.875 told me to get back with Edinburgh CTR, I then did and got back safely at Cumbernauld. The METAR and TAF was looking great but just a sudden weather change happened.
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Is that GA report still sent out monthly? If I remember it used to come with the GASIL mag. It made good reading, but since I am on N reg, don't get it any longer.
The EDI report was a bit bizarre..
The EDI report was a bit bizarre..
The April report is VERY interesting. The Islander weather-related incident 2014020533 ref no.
And ref 201404221 on the PS-28 cruiser. Lawyers??
201405224 ref seems to show ATC language almost inviting the result
Thethree artificial horizons were all in rough agreement.
201405224 ref seems to show ATC language almost inviting the result
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I then turned back from Balado/Loch Leven towards Edinburgh as I was surrounded by high terrain so Scottish Information 119.875 told me to get back with Edinburgh
See earlier forum post....
http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...mply-best.html
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Originally Posted by Level Attitude
they talked about the 'FIR Lost' 0030 Squawk. I must admit I have never heard of this before. Had anyone else?
Any pilot who believes they are flying in the vicinity of the aerodromes listed below who is lost or temporarily uncertain of position should immediately seek navigational assistance from the appropriate radar unit. Alternatively, they should select code 0030 and contact either London or Scottish Centre on 121.500 MHz for assistance.
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for Scottish Information. I was passenger in another one of this months MORs (PA28/Fuel Leak/Lockerbie). Declared a PAN on 119.875. Don't think it was fbw was on duty at the time but whoever it was was a great help. We were lucky and everything ended ok but it was a real comfort to know you guys were there and watching us.
for Scottish Information. I was passenger in another one of this months MORs (PA28/Fuel Leak/Lockerbie). Declared a PAN on 119.875. Don't think it was fbw was on duty at the time but whoever it was was a great help. We were lucky and everything ended ok but it was a real comfort to know you guys were there and watching us.
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Another for Scottish Information. I was passenger in another one of this months MORs (PA28/Fuel Leak/Lockerbie). Declared a PAN on 119.875. Don't think it was fbw was on duty at the time but whoever it was was a great help. We were lucky and everything ended ok but it was a real comfort to know you guys were there and watching us.
Another for Scottish Information. I was passenger in another one of this months MORs (PA28/Fuel Leak/Lockerbie). Declared a PAN on 119.875. Don't think it was fbw was on duty at the time but whoever it was was a great help. We were lucky and everything ended ok but it was a real comfort to know you guys were there and watching us.
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Question while you are here mate, is all UK ATC recorded and stored for a while like in the USA?
All UK civil and military ATC radio messages at both centres and airfields must be recorded and retained for a minimum of 30 days. The CAA recommends that Aerodrome FIS radio traffic is recorded but it's not mandatory however I believe Area FIS radio traffic is recorded.
Recording systems have to be approved by the CAA, which gives manufacturers the excuse to hike the price of them, hence few if any Aerodrome FIS units have recorders (Although sometimes it would be useful!!) unless they have recently been ATC units or operate part time ATC/part time AFIS.
Air/Ground radio communications do not need to be recorded.
Recording systems have to be approved by the CAA, which gives manufacturers the excuse to hike the price of them, hence few if any Aerodrome FIS units have recorders (Although sometimes it would be useful!!) unless they have recently been ATC units or operate part time ATC/part time AFIS.
Air/Ground radio communications do not need to be recorded.
