StatorVane
23rd Jan 2014, 07:19
Morning folks,
Okay, having read some of the other related posts I am still none the wiser on this.
From what I know so far:
A JOC is not mandated by regulation
Some jet operators specify they want applicants to have completed one whilst others do not
As a consequence of the first there is no 'set' syllabus and as such training providers devise their own course content
Broadly speaking, the JOC introduces the candidate to the characteristics of a jet aircraft and might focus on tendencies and techniques etc...
Maybe we can add to the above but my questions are:
1. Just how valuable is a JOC and, more importantly, does a JOC really hold any significance given that if you or I are going to move onto jets we will be completing a type rating anyway thus rendering it rather pointless? Or does it turn out to prove invaluable in that instance?
2. If you are going to do an MCC and JOC would doing the MCC in a full motion sim negate or part negate the need to do a JOC since you will have been operating a jet and will have been 'orientated' to some degree or other in order to pass it?
3. What of the training providers who provide a JOC in a fixed base sim? Indeed can they really claim to provide true 'orientation' if they cannot simulate motion? Or is this irrelevant?
4. This is a genuine question and not intended to ignite any backlash or furry but are we as pilots sometimes programmed to try to pick up every course going in an attempt to enhance our CVs and better our prospects even if there is actually little value in that course.
On the last point I am not suggesting the JOC is of little value - I want to hear what you guys think on that. I would be interested to get some honest opinions on the above but please nothing pejorative - just relevant to the questions posed.
My situation is that I am poised to do the MCC and JOC. I already have a shed-load of hours but not multi-crew and none jet. A certain MCC provider in the Baltic region has offered me an MCC on a 737CL FFS and has suggested that a JOC would be a waste of money.
Much appreciated.
Okay, having read some of the other related posts I am still none the wiser on this.
From what I know so far:
A JOC is not mandated by regulation
Some jet operators specify they want applicants to have completed one whilst others do not
As a consequence of the first there is no 'set' syllabus and as such training providers devise their own course content
Broadly speaking, the JOC introduces the candidate to the characteristics of a jet aircraft and might focus on tendencies and techniques etc...
Maybe we can add to the above but my questions are:
1. Just how valuable is a JOC and, more importantly, does a JOC really hold any significance given that if you or I are going to move onto jets we will be completing a type rating anyway thus rendering it rather pointless? Or does it turn out to prove invaluable in that instance?
2. If you are going to do an MCC and JOC would doing the MCC in a full motion sim negate or part negate the need to do a JOC since you will have been operating a jet and will have been 'orientated' to some degree or other in order to pass it?
3. What of the training providers who provide a JOC in a fixed base sim? Indeed can they really claim to provide true 'orientation' if they cannot simulate motion? Or is this irrelevant?
4. This is a genuine question and not intended to ignite any backlash or furry but are we as pilots sometimes programmed to try to pick up every course going in an attempt to enhance our CVs and better our prospects even if there is actually little value in that course.
On the last point I am not suggesting the JOC is of little value - I want to hear what you guys think on that. I would be interested to get some honest opinions on the above but please nothing pejorative - just relevant to the questions posed.
My situation is that I am poised to do the MCC and JOC. I already have a shed-load of hours but not multi-crew and none jet. A certain MCC provider in the Baltic region has offered me an MCC on a 737CL FFS and has suggested that a JOC would be a waste of money.
Much appreciated.