US Airways: fake pilot in jump seat

[Sunnyjohn]

From BBC news online:
Frenchman 'posing as pilot' found in US jet cockpit

A Frenchman has been charged with impersonating a pilot after he was found in the cockpit of a plane due to take off in Philadelphia, police say.
Philippe Jernnard, from La Rochelle, France, was wearing a shirt with an Air France logo and a blazer with epaulets.
He was discovered in the jump seat behind the pilot on a US Airways plane on Wednesday evening, an officer said.
The FBI is investigating the incident and police said they expect federal charges may be filed.
Mr Jernnard, 61, faces state charges including criminal trespassing, tampering with records, impersonating a person privately employed, and providing false identification to law enforcement, Philadelphia police told the BBC.
When he was found in the cockpit, Mr Jernnard identified himself as a 747 pilot for Air France, authorities said.
The suspect, who had a ticket for the US Airways flight to Florida, could not provide proof of his credentials.
He was also reportedly carrying a fake Air France crew identification card.
Officer Christine O'Brien says Mr Jernnard became argumentative and was escorted from the plane.
He is being held on $1m bail (£657,000), US media report.

[Tourist]

They've been doing it since Bleriot.....

[OldCessna]

Looks like he's destined for an extended stay care of the US Government

He can wear his epaulettes on his orange jumpsuit!

[captplaystation]

Must be a total fruitcake, if you really have to pull a stunt like that, I wouldn't have thought the U S of A was a very good location if you ever want to see daylight again..

[dudubrdx]

Hmmm and where exactly is "home" for you Tourist? I doubt many countries can boast the same aviation history as France..

[xcitation]

Not sure how this chap got so far. Did someone leave the door open or was he let in?


The crew of a US Airways flight bound for West Palm Beach, Fla., found Philippe Jernnard of La Rochelle, France, in the jump seat behind the pilot on Wednesday evening, removing him after he was unable to produce valid credentials and became argumentative, police said.
Jernnard, who was a ticketed passenger, was wearing a white shirt with an Air France logo and had a black jacket with epaulets on the shoulders, police said. Officer Christine O'Brien said police found him in possession of a counterfeit Air France crew member ID card.
Air France said Jernnard is not one of its employees and was not wearing the airline's uniform.

The Associated Press: Air France: Man found in cockpit not an employee (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iDGr6znWUFPh0OxbflXdr-SAH0OA?docId=442198b54b0345e7a4a725fbb82d3795)

[bubbers44]

Not sure how this is newsworthy. At the gate which this obviously was with an on time departure the cockpit door is open so anyone can enter with the pilots permission. Absolutely no breach of the cockpit, maybe unauthorized admittance into the airplane. After 911 we still let kids come up until approaching departure time with their parent, expecially if she was pretty. As far as I know it is still that way. Every airline has their jumpseat procedure and not all are the same.

[Agaricus bisporus]

Mmmm...

and harassing genuine flight crew to within a millimetre of their gonads is an effective way to stop this sort of whacko?

Sort your ideas out, you numpties in the "security" business.

[Huck]

Has it been reported anywhere that the captain was going to let him ride in the cockpit?

Sounds like just a visit before block out to me. The USAir crew was just greeting a (supposed) colleague.

[Tourist]

Dudubrdx

Honestly can't believe you bit!:rolleyes:

[Fliegenmong]

Maybe Philippe should have walked on with a knife.....:rolleyes:

[toffeez]

French kids are still taught that Clément Ader deserved the honours the rest of the world accorded the Wright Bros.

The "cultural exception", I suppose.

[yotty]

Perhaps it was KAG brushing up on his english skills? ;)

[Rabina]

$ 1M on bail, or a decent serviceable legacy Ni-Cd battery ....:confused:

[DownIn3Green]

Has the smell of an over-reactive response from Management coming on...(i.e.-Barring the jumpseat)....I hope not, but everyone knows "Us pilots" can't think for ourselves....

[sevenstrokeroll]

I've read many accounts of this incident. It appears that some are saying the man was IN THE JUMPSEAT behind the captain.

But I think it is a description of the position of the jumpseat.

And who would wear his epaulets on his day off? Unless of course he was in his FULL uniform going home. And what Air France Pilot commutes to West Palm beach?

I have a feeling this guy was no where near actually getting into the jumpseat, with the plane pushed back ready to taxi.

Most airlines have a specific list of reciprocol arrangment jumpseats and I don't think foreign airlines are on it for USAIR>

OH, and for once and for always, The Wright Brothers invented the airplane and its control system. Flying a barn door with a prop on it isn't an airplane.

The breakthrough of the Wrights was coordinating rudder and wing warping (in lieu of aileron) in their 1902 glider.

Once they had control, the engine was not so much more.

Sheesh.

[jcjeant]

Hi,

toffeez
French kids are still taught that Clément Ader deserved the honours the rest of the world accorded the Wright Bros.
The "cultural exception", I suppose. 1st engined flight by Richard Pearse, Waitohi, New Zealand, March 31, 1902. Karl Jatho, 1st flight, 18.August 1903, Hannover-Vahrenheide, real controlled flights.
The Wrights, 1st flight, 17. December 1903. They wasnt the 1st, but still claim this!

[xcitation]

@sevenstrokeroll
The breakthrough of the Wrights was coordinating rudder and wing warping (in lieu of aileron) in their 1902 glider.


Let's also remember Sir George Cayley who invented the founding principals of aeronautic theory and created the first piloted glider 50 years before the Wright's.
Coincidently he also invented spoked wheels in 1808 which the Wright Bro's were using 100 years later in their bike store.

Less successful was his gun powder driven engine added later to power the glider :eek:.

[heavenbound]

US airport security? nobody checked?

[bloom]

Let's not forget Swen "McFly" Glocnic who in 1393 leaped from a cliff in a craft composed of oakem,tar and linen, hit 88 mph and was instantly transported into 1983 .

He later became a millionaire as an owner of 12 TCBY franchises.

[captjns]

US airport security? nobody checked?

All checks were accomplished by TSA. He went through security in a plain shirt with an embroidered Air France Emblem on his shirt. He showed his ticket and a form of ID, probably his Passport. No guns, no WMD, no bombs in his knikers or shoes.

The drama unfolded whilst on the jet while on the ground and at the gate... and not ready for takeoff or door closings.

The miscreant was requested by the skipper to vacate his jet and thus you know the rest of the story.

Bottom line... a non-event event.

[aterpster]

captjns:

All checks were accomplished by TSA. He went through security in a plain shirt with an embroidered Air France Emblem on his shirt. He showed his ticket and a form of ID, probably his Passport. No guns, no WMD, no bombs in his knikers or shoes.

The drama unfolded whilst on the jet while on the ground and at the gate... and not ready for takeoff or door closings.

The miscreant was requested by the skipper to vacate his jet and thus you know the rest of the story.

Bottom line... a non-event event.

Too many players in the U.S. media. They are piranhas on a constant quest.

[Wave off]

Tourist is so secret that he does not know what he is doing (or writing)...

[Leftofcentre2009]

"No, we flew first", "No, infact it was us that flew first!", "No no, your all wrong and your claims are false, it was them that flew first" etc etc

*Yawn*

:zzz:

[Ex Cargo Clown]

Hang on a minute I've done jumpseat many times. I always speak to the skipper before being allowed in. Even got an ex of mine in on a 767 because I vouched for her. What's this Captain doing?

[SpeedHumpCat]

A Frenchman has been charged with impersonating a pilot after he was found in the cockpit of a plane due to take off in Philadelphia, police say.
Philippe Jernnard, from La Rochelle, France, was wearing a shirt with an Air France logo and a blazer with epaulets.

So let me get this straight; he is a frenchman, was wearing a shirt with an Air France logo and blazer with epaulets impersonating a pilot.

Then i take it they are going to arrest ALL Air France pilots then?:E

[EEngr]

ProTip:

When passing yourself off as a pilot, don't ask the flight crew, "Hey! What does that thing do?"

[Herod]

When passing yourself off as a pilot, don't ask the flight crew, "Hey! What does that thing do?"
I thought that was the question usually posed by the stewardess,back in the captain's hotel room.:)

[Hotel Tango]

Of course we're only getting half the story here I'm sure. I suspect the guy probably just wanted to ride in the cockpit and tried to pass himself off as an Air France pilot. It's possible he got away with it in the past in Europe. Quite possible that a little "shop" talk made the Captain suspicious about his credentials. Silly on his part but no great harm done. I don't think it warrants the usual totally over-the-top paranoid American reaction.

[wiggy]

Unless of course he was in his FULL uniform going home.

I suspect the guy probably just wanted to ride in the cockpit and tried to pass himself off as an Air France pilot

It's worth considering that anyone claiming to be AF traveling in any form of uniform is probably a "wrong 'un", because, unless the rules have changed recently, the airline doesn't even allow their own crew members to commute in uniform, even on AF itself. That said unlike many airline crews they do tend to manage to disguise the uniform very stylishly.. :E

[Newforest2]

One more item to be added to the check list, check jump seat for non passengers/crew!

[DownIn3Green]

The arrognant Air French (read "French") do not allow jump-seats...in my experience...Turn around is more than "Fair Play"...

[dudubrdx]

I'm french and I've always allowed and welcomed jump seats. Many people leave me their phone number or address and tell me "you have a place to stay in LA/FL/NY..." Many upgrades as well to J class.
On the other hand, i've never had the pleasure to jumpseat on certain companies, but never blamed the pilots. You never know how their company might react if they found out. I thought everyone would know this by now. Specially you , Down In 3 greens

[Self Loading Freight]

They twigged he was a fake when he turned off the AP and said "I think I'll hand-fly this leg".

[wiggy]

The arrognant Air French (read "French") do not allow jump-seats

You're wrong, they do.

[mary meagher]

Long ago, in the 20th century, pilots were trusted to welcome suitable visitors into the cockpit in any stage of flight. This old granny glider pilot got to sit in the jump seat in a BA jumbo to Philadelphia, and sat silent while they did the approach and landing on what appeared to be a runway way TOO SHORT!

They let my dear husband Henry, a retired army officer, sit in the jump seat on the return flight, with a lady captain doing the flying, and he got to see the approach and landing at LHR, the lucky so and so. Alas, those days are gone forever....

You guys must really get bored on transatlantic flights....locked into your sterile cockpits....

[DavidWoodward]

They twigged he was a fake when he turned off the AP and said "I think I'll hand-fly this leg".

I should have laughed but I did.

[Hotel Tango]

Dear Mary, fly with the right airlines and you will still be able to get in-flight cockpit visits. Only the Americans, the Brits and a few others have very little choice in the matter. Many European carriers still allow their captains to decide for themselves.

[LindbergB767]

I am sorry but your wrong
Most of the airlines now have rule banning any person on jumpseat except those authorize by the Airlines management and the Captain
And in most airlines around the world you may have to look for another job if you d ont follow Cie rules
I use to have people's visiting the cockpit all the time but now sorry it is finished not because I d ont want but because I c ant

[sevenstrokeroll]

I wish I could give the jumpseat to anyone I wanted to (as captain).

But the first people I would give the jumpseat to are our own airlines FA's, so they can know what is going on a bit better.

The next, really good looking women. And in most cases that would be one in the same as the FA's.

One time on a reposition flight, I did allow an FA to sit on the jumpseat (prior to 911).

I will also never forget, as a 7 year old boy going to the cockpit of a Convair 240 of United Airlines (or was it a 580?) flying from Reno to San Francisco. Props going in and out of synch, big orange radar scope with hood and bouncing up and down in mountain wave. Giant fricking throttles doubled for each pilot. And it seemed so big.

I would love to put people in the jumpseat for landings to the south at KDCA, or doing the Long Island Expressway Visual to KLGA, or even a visual to runway 13 at KLGA.

Those :mad: terrorists and early hijackers really :mad: up some fun times!!!!! May have ruined my love life too.

[despegue]

Ha, I still take whoever I want on the jumpseats:ok: