NEWQUAY

[cornishsimon]

Hi skip
A new venture has been formed as a break away from CAF and those will be staying put at NQY with a new facility being constructed near the old crosswinds runway using a HAS.
Cornwall Aviation heritage centre.


cs

[Aksai Oiler]

Any chance of shoving a clapped out 330 in there too Cornish? I noticed a couple for part out when I was there last month

[Wycombe]

Those 330's for part-out are apparently only about 13 years old.

Of course I don't know how many hrs/cycles, but seems very young to me.

[OltonPete]

Wycombe

Per other forums the problem with the EK A330's and I don't whether there is a grain of truth in this (pun intended) surrounds the position of their base over the last 13 years i.e. sand and salt issues (beach location with winds).

I am no expert and haven't got a clue if this is anywhere near the truth but again if you believe what you read Virgin Australia at times have not been happy with their ex EK A330's. Again nothing to back that up other than what has been taken from various forums.

I have seen this type of explanation given before for other airliners based near the sea where high winds occur and not just EK.

Pete

[TSR2]

I have seen this type of explanation given before for other airliners based near the sea where high winds occur and not just EK.

Aloha Airlines B732 is a classic example.

[litefoot1]

BREAKING: Air Accident Investigation Branch called to incident at Newquay Airport | Cornish Guardian (http://www.cornishguardian.co.uk/BREAKING-Emergency-services-called-incident/story-27626057-detail/story.html)

[cornishsimon]

Don't know what flight or aircraft is involved here, but as per fr24 BE806 LGW-NQY diverted to EXT


cant see anything arriving at 1935 ? doesn't appear that Cornwall FRS were called unless its not been published on the fire service website as yet




cs

[readywhenreaching]

asll ifr movements after 1500 (acc .to ATC)

15:04A BEE89EY DH8D EGSS EGHQ GJECX
15:15A AZE78P E50P LFPB EGHQ DIAAY
15:45A BEE54SR DH8D EGHQ EGBB GJECX
17:07A BEE57E DH8D EGCC EGHQ GECOO
17:24A NJE085F C56X EGNM EGHQ CSDXV
17:44A BEE8AB DH8D EGHQ EGKK GECOO

[cornishsimon]

so what happened at 1930 ish?




cs

[AerRyan]

It's a light aircraft, so probably not a scheduled commercial flight.

[cornishsimon]

Pilot killed in Newquay Cornwall Airport crash
Pilot killed in Newquay Cornwall Airport crash - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-33971072)


Aircraft was a PA34

RIP to the pilot.

cs

[j636]

Looks like Ryanair are coming back, reports suggest departure fee will be scrapped for Spanish and German routes.

[cornishsimon]

Iv also seen news today regarding the fee and came to the same conclusion, but what I read didn't mention routes.

This could mean FR or others, perhaps U2?, AB or other?


cs

[Wycombe]

Only thing I found is a NQY "destination" page on the Harps website....

Flights to Newquay | Flights to Europe | Ryanair (http://www.ryanair.com/en/flights-to-newquay/)

Couldn't find any other detail as illuded to in previous few posts...any links?

[cornishsimon]

Newquay Airport's £5 'development' fee to be scrapped
Newquay Airport's £5 'development' fee to be scrapped - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-34271733)

The routes and return of FR or other airlines is currently just speculation


cs

[GROUNDHOG]

Not before time. As to airlines now flocking to Newquay, why would they? All that has happened is the airport is now no longer at a disadvantage to just about every other airport in the UK because of the fee.

[Heathrow Harry]

do you really think £ 5 on a flight makes a difference?

people pay more than that for a couple of drinks before takeoff

[toon22]

and add that £5 to £13 APD and that's quite an expensive round of drinks - or £31 if you want to come back.

[AerRyan]

£31 pounds is alot for an airline like Ryanair.

[j636]

Ryanair returning to Newquay after scrapping of £5 fee | West Country (W) - ITV News (http://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2015-10-07/ryanair-returning-to-newquay-after-scrapping-of-5-fee/)

[EI-BUD]

So the reopening of the Stansted link? I imagine the airport has done a cost benefit analysis on the matter, hence, the route which would generate the most significant number I guess would be the Stansted link??

[cornishsimon]

Don't understand why they haven't just come out and said STN if that's what the UK route is going to be ?

Suppose there is scope for other routes ?


cs

[LAX_LHR]

Stansted is most likely, but, what about a Manchester link too?

The MAN base is gaining at least 1 extra based aircraft next summer with lots of growth, and the numbers of NQY-MAN are increasing all the time.

There are no really short sectors from MAN other than DUB, so, could be a handy gap filler too.

Could mix things up a bit.

[cornishsimon]

I would of thought that the NQY domestic route will be STN in all honesty, however MAN or EMA could be possible, as pointed out the MAN numbers are rising each month.


If they go for STN could BE operate alongside ? probably not, could BE operate summer season NQY-LCY or return to SEN with the route ?


On the subject of MAN, i would fully expect the current Flybe operated route to go double daily next summer up from 10 weekly current summer season, however to fully make use of MAN for connections they would need to base a second aircraft at NQY and operate an early AM departure to MAN with an evening return in my opinion.




cs

[AirportPlanner1]

From NQY's perspective a STN route would be more beneficial. A MAN route could push out BE and probably only run over the summer. The existing STN service is seasonal anyway, and FR will deliver far more pax.

[compton3bravo]

They could do a Luton service therefore not impinging both Stansted and Southend and would they get a ´´deal´´ as it would be a new route from Newquay, Just guessing.

[cornishsimon]

Seems to of all gone a bit quiet again !
Anyone heard anything ?

In other news the first of two S92A SAR choppers have now arrived at NQY. G-MCGY


cs

[cornishsimon]

Council scraps £5 Newquay Airport 'development' fee
Council scraps £5 Newquay Airport 'development' fee - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-34655460)

Development fee to be axed from March.


cs

[cornishsimon]

Local radio reporting that there's an FR press conference tomorrow regarding NQY !!


cs

[FRatSTN]

Are EZY no longer flying to NQY? There's nothing available on their website?

[EI-BUD]

Rough numbers here, but I'm figuring that to warrant a loss in the £430k annual revenue from the development fee, they would need as a minimum of 215k departing passengers with a fee of £2 each.. At this rate there would be very marginal extra costs, increased car park revenue and increased shopping in the outlets in the terminal, sustaining these and potentially driving airport revenue.

215k passengers would require a minimum of 3 daily departures...and prob a bit more. What's the chance of x2 daily STN, daily GLA and MAN... On most days and a seasonal but limited selection on sun routes ALC, FAO and AGP?

[NewquayJacob]

I think the ADF was more productive during the last couple of years when PAX number were below 200,000, but now with the recent Flybe 'expansion' e.g. Birmingham, 10 x weekly Manchester in the summer and London STN as well as Aer Lingus to Dublin - passenger numbers have began to pick up again and the airport is therefore less reliant on the ADF with numbers reaching the 250,000 mark.

STN appeared to be successful so maybe be a candidate for FR along with ALC as flown previously? I would imagine that the airport may pick up a daily domestic and 2/3 summer seasonal such ALC or PMI.

Easyjet don't appear to have released anything for S16 - but LPL was only flown in July and August.

The Weekly Flybe UK domestics (EDI, BHD, NCL) seem to performed slightly under last years figures.

LGW is regularly carrying 10,000+ passengers a month since the PSO introduction.

Skybus have today released their S16 schedule with 3 daily departures to IOS (MONDAY - Saturday) at the minute - although more likely to be added later on as before.
The departures are at 08:00, 13:50, 17:05 arriving back at NQY at 09:25, 12:35, and 18:35.

Personally I hope FR fly NQY-AGP - but I know this is wishful thinking!

[AdamThePassenger]

If FR start STN again, I think we can safely say goodbye to the BE STN service for next summer.

[cornishsimon]

The FR announcement will be interesting either way, I can see maybe a couple or 3 sun routes 2 or 3 times a week along with a UK domestic to provide the aircraft to operate the other routes unless of course they use a base outside of the UK to operate into NQY.


Flybe is going to be interesting over the coming 12 months or so, BE are getting to the stage where they could well look at making NQY a base, however winter routes are the problem to sustain a base at NQY.


Interesting times ahead!


cs

[cornishsimon]

broken just as I was posting the above.


No domestic route, 2 weekly FRA & ALC


So no impact on Flybe at all.


cs

[NewquayJacob]

It is Frankfurt-Hahn and Alicante!

Both start 3rd April

[AerRyan]

Frankfurt Hahn? Didn't see that coming!

[NewquayJacob]

I think the Hahn route is targeting the German inbound tourist trade.

[Wycombe]

Ah yes, as anyone who lives in or visits Cornwall regularly (esp. in Summer) will know it attracts a lot of Germans, so this looks like a clever move.

So no impact on Flybe at all.

I wouldn't quite say that, bearing in mind that BEE will operate to ALC from up the road at EXT again next Summer.

[NewquayJacob]

The Ryanair flights now are available to book.

FRANKFURT HAHN
Sunday
HHN-NQY 13:40-14:25 (FR2908)
NQY-HHN 14:50-17:35 (FR2909)

Thursday
HHN-NQY 10:25-11:10 (FR2908)
NQY-HHN 11:35-14:20 (FR2909)

ALICANTE
Sunday
ALC-NQY 17:35-19:05 (FR2902)
NQY-ALC 19:30-23:00 (FR2903)

Wednesday
ALC-NQY 09:00-10:30 (FR2902)
NQY-ALC 10:55-14:25 (FR2903)

[cornishsimon]

I wouldn't quite say that, bearing in mind that BEE will operate to ALC from up the road at EXT again next Summer.


Well I must admit I hadn't thought of it that way so it will be interesting to see how this affects BEE at EXT.

The Ryanair flights now are available to book.

FRANKFURT HAHN
Sunday
HHN-NQY 13:40-14:25 (FR2908)
NQY-HHN 14:50-17:35 (FR2909)

Thursday
HHN-NQY 10:25-11:10 (FR2908)
NQY-HHN 11:35-14:20 (FR2909)

ALICANTE
Sunday
ALC-NQY 17:35-19:05 (FR2902)
NQY-ALC 19:30-23:00 (FR2903)

Wednesday
ALC-NQY 09:00-10:30 (FR2902)
NQY-ALC 10:55-14:25 (FR2903)




Not terrible flight times, but very much look like padding out an existing schedule.


Wonder if we might see more routes in time.




cs

[VISCOUNT58]

According to local radio news this morning, another press conference at the airport on Monday, this time with Flybe.

[cornishsimon]

Not heard it but that can only be good news. I'm hopeful that NQY could be made a base.

Next summer should be
1 STN
3 LGW
2 MAN
1 BHX

Plus whatever is announced.

Now for speculation.

AMS, ORK, CDG, LBA, EMA ???

cs

[AerRyan]

ORK? No chance

[EI-BUD]

Once upon a time Newquay Cork was a lot more popular than the Dublin route. However, Dublin will have more appeal due to onward connection options now.

[cornishsimon]

The EI DUB route didn't allow onward connections. No idea if they will allow it next year.



cs

[AerRyan]

Flybe won't operate the Cork route. It's just not going to happen.

[VickersVicount]

A proper schedule to GLA is needed, the FlySouthwest and Loganair attempts to the southwest could be improved, though most use EZY to BRS.

[virginblue]

Ryanair has reduced flights from HHN considerably as a reult of the recent built-up of flights from CGN. So I guess they have quite a bit of spare capacity there they can use to accommodate niche routes that mainly attract German tourists and are not available from other German airport.

[Heathrow Harry]

"Not terrible flight times, but very much look like padding out an existing schedule"


Actually very good flight times especially to/from Hahn-

and of course they are padding out an existing schedule - no-one is going to start their flight planning based on Newquay.............................

[NewquayJacob]

Maybe Flybe will announce NQY-LBA as applied for in the air connectivity fund. Something like 3 x weekly in Winter and 5/6 weekly in Summer.

More Dusseldorf flights are apparently in the pipeline - German route expansion is reportedly growing to generate £4 million for the Cornish economy next year.

Can anyone confirm if EZY have pulled out of NQY altogether or will we have another press conference next week with further expansion announcements?!!!

[Wycombe]

This suggests that todays announcement will be related to deployment of Embraers on NQY-LGW:

More good news for Newquay Airport as bigger and better planes expected to fly to Gatwick | Cornish Guardian (http://www.cornishguardian.co.uk/good-news-Newquay-Airport/story-28098273-detail/story.html)

[cornishsimon]

This seems to be correct. Well that's all that local radio are currently reporting anyway !

Surely there's more to a press conference than just announcing a larger aircraft ? And surely it won't just be used to LGW as per the reporting ?


cs

[EK77WNCL]

I'm surprised Flybe haven't gone for NQY-EXT-LCY, it might have been able to help them prop up x3 daily flights

[NewquayJacob]

Most likely the E195 will become the 'based' aircraft operating to LGW and MAN and a BHX based aircraft Q400 to operate BHX-NQY-STN-NQY-BHX like this year. Not sounding like there are going to be any new routes a such but the Flybe CEO said they will look at any opportunities. NQY may eventually break the 300,000 mark again!!

[globetrotter79]

I may be wrong...but I thought at the time Flybe announced the continuation of Newquay-Gatwick that it came out that they were to lease the LGW slots...so perhaps if whoever they leased the slots from (if indeed that part is true) wants some of them back then Flybe are planning to stick the larger 118-seater on the route in return for a frequency reduction (as least as far as the Gatwick route is concerned)??

[Flightrider]

It is looking as though Flybe do not have the slots to operate the mid morning NQY-LGW-NQY from next summer any more. I don't know what's happened to them, but the LGW slots have gone. The suggestion that a 195 on the morning and evening would "compensate" for loss of frequency (down from three to two flights per day each way) would seem dangerously close to the mark....

If so, this is smoke and mirrors PR at its most acute.

[TartinTon]

globetrotter....not sure where you got the leased LGW slots bit from but wherever it was it's garbage. LGW slots all belong to BE....no leasing involved.

[TartinTon]

EK77WNCL I'm surprised Flybe haven't gone for NQY-EXT-LCY, it might have been able to help them prop up x3 daily flights

What "propping up" do you think they need? Check the CAA stats...no props required...that's why they're putting on the jets...geddit?? I'll get me coat...

[Flightrider]

TT - BE sold all of their own slots at LGW to easyJet, including the ones with which they operated Newquay. The morning and evening pair they currently use are leased from BA.

[cornishsimon]

so where does the lunchtime slots come from ? the 803/4?


Lgw isn't slot constrined so cant imagine that it would be all that difficult to get similar timed slots at LGW ?




cs

[VISCOUNT58]

Euro Atlantic 777-200 currently parked on Echo apron, arrived from Porto last night; diversion or for Apple Aviation?

[cornishsimon]

The 777 is in for Apple as per Facebook.



cs

[NewquayJacob]

According to the Newquay Airport twitter page, NQY-LGW will remain 3 daily next year.

[Wycombe]

One would imagine they will also use the 195 to MAN, which will help address the demand the cornishsimon is always referring to in relation to that route?

[toon22]

For those that are interested - take a look at PMQ's on 4/11 on iplayer.
31 minutes in DC gives Newquay a very nice plug.

[NewquayJacob]

According the BE route map, they will fly NQY-DSA and NQY-ABZ for S16 (spotted by adamthepassenger in the Flybe thread).

Doncaster operates on a Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday.
DSA-NQY 08:10-09:20 BE4441
NQY-DSA 09:50-11:00 BE4442

Aberdeen operates on a Saturday.
ABZ-NQY 14:45-16:45 BE1050
NQY-ABZ 17:10-19:15 BE1051

There are now 10 Flybe departures on a Saturday.

Saturday departure board:
London LGW 07:30
Isles of Scilly 08:00
Newcastle 09:05
Doncaster 09:50
Dusseldorf 11:15
London STN 12:55
Edinburgh 13:15
Isles of Scilly 13:50
Manchester 14:50
Dublin 15:00
Belfast City 15:50
Isles of Scilly 15:50
Birmingham 16:45
Isles of Scilly 17:05
Aberdeen 17:10
London LGW 18:25

[cornishsimon]

Looks like NQY-MAN has dropped back to 8 weekly for summer16 currently, guess 7 weekly on E95 and 1 Q400, extra rotation is on a Sunday and quite often scheduled at the same departure time ex NQY !!!!!!

No sign currently of the LBA route.

Looks like LGW x3 and MAN X1 daily on the E95 with all other flights operating on aircraft based elsewhere ?
cs

[NewquayJacob]

The based E195 does indeed operate to LGW (07:30), LGW (11:10), MAN (14:50) and LGW (18:25) every day, although Gatwick drops to 2 daily on a Saturday so there is gap in the schedule here.


A BHX Q400 will again operate the BHX-NQY-STN-NQY-BHX pattern.


A shame about MAN not getting any extra flights although the E195 was significantly increase capacity.

On a Saturday the EDI Q400 operates to NCL as well. NQY sees 6 Flybe aircraft on a Saturday.

[gavinhicks]

has easyjet dropped the liverpool route

[NewquayJacob]

Nobody seems to have a definitive answer as to whether EasyJet have dropped NQY-LPL; it is no longer bookable and NQY doesn't appear in the search engine either.

On a different note, just to clarify that DSA-NQY is only 3 weekly not 4.

[cornishsimon]

Looks like I was wrong !

Looking at the schedules today it looks like we could well be about to see up to 12 weekly flights between NQY & MAN !!

Looks like the 7 weekly E95 plus second rotation on Sunday's, Monday's, Wednesday's, Friday's and Saturdays !

No idea on equipment for the extra days but with the seat increase to the E95 on the daily this marks a significant increase in seat availability on this route !


cs

[Wycombe]

From what I can see those "up to 12 weekly flights" only continue until the end of the current Winter season.

From then on, it's 8 per week with 2 rotations on a Sunday.

[cornishsimon]

That's what it looks like now !
I'm certain that wasn't the case when I posted !!



cs

[BAladdy]

Have also posted this on Flybe thread,

Just been looking at the timetable of Flybe's website. I searched all destinations from LCY airport and noticed that there is a flight from LCY to NQY listed. However there is no return NQY-LCY flight. Does anyone know if BE are about to announce this as a new route. The flight is shown as:

BE1386 LCY 17:05 NQY 18:30 x6 (15JUL16-04SEP16)

Flybe Timetable (http://www.flybe.com/timetableClassic/timetable.jsp?selDep=LCY&selDest=XXX)

[Cloud1]

Have also posted this on Flybe thread,

Just been looking at the timetable of Flybe's website. I searched all destinations from LCY airport and noticed that there is a flight from LCY to NQY listed. However there is no return NQY-LCY flight. Does anyone know if BE are about to announce this as a new route. The flight is shown as:

BE1386 LCY 17:05 NQY 18:30 x6 (15JUL16-04SEP16)

Flybe Timetable (http://www.flybe.com/timetableClassic/timetable.jsp?selDep=LCY&selDest=XXX)

I would be inclined to say you have unearthed a new route as this happened back when BHX went through a lot of expansion.

[NewquayJacob]

Selected dates in March have 2 flights on some days (some Mon, Weds, FRI, Sundays)



NQY-LCY has appeared now daily except Saturday with an evening flight from 15th July to 4th September:
LCY-NQY 17:05-18:30 BE1386
NQY-LCY 19:35-20:50 BE1387

[LBIA]

Looks like the proposed Newquay - Leeds/Bradford route by flybe might be happening next summer as it's been reported in local press today.

http://www.cornishguardian.co.uk/New-Newquay-Leeds-Bradford-air-route-Spring-2016/story-28286470-detail/story.html

[cornishsimon]

According to the NQY fb page NQY-DUB will go daily next summer with EI regional.


cs

[Wycombe]

Here is the formal announcement from NQY re. the increased DUB Schedule, to operate from mid-March, initially 4 weekly. As CS says it goes up to daily during the peak season, and looks like it will also continue into W16/17 (until Jan, presumably with reduced freq.)

Cornwall Airport Newquay announces increased schedule from Newquay to Dublin for 2016 | Newquay Cornwall Airport (http://www.newquaycornwallairport.com/about/media-center/news/cornwall-airport-newquay-announces-increased-schedule-newquay-dublin-2016)

Things seem to be going quite well at NQY :-) although not seen anything about Ops from Germany for next Summer (except the new 2 weekly Harp from HHN).

[cornishsimon]

I'm also surprised re the lack of German routes.

Assume the once weekly DUS will continue ?

Surprised that BE didn't take the opportunity to base a second aircraft to operate some routes ex NQY as they are building quite a portfolio now. The LBA route is still pending announcement and could well be operated ex NQY or on a W pattern via NQY as LBA isn't a BE base with only one flybe flight I believe.


cs

[Global_Global]

I think that KLM with a F70 once a day would do well based on the amount of people that I bump into on the BRS and EXT flights that go to Cornwall... In view of KL starting on the SOU route to compete with FlyBE probably means we will not see a FlyBE with KL codeshare on that route....:{

[Wycombe]

Latest press release from NQY contains some old news, but a few updates also:

- LBA service expected to start in June
- Eurowings DUS service will be on an A319 this year

Cornwall Airport Newquay ? set for growth with a new name, new routes and no Development Fee | Newquay Cornwall Airport (http://www.newquaycornwallairport.com/about/media-center/news/cornwall-airport-newquay-%E2%80%93-set-growth-new-name-new-routes-and-no-development)

[cornishsimon]

things do seem to be looking better!


anyone have any ideas about how the LBA route will actually operate considering LBA doesn't really have much in the way of BE service to reshuffle around to slot this route in, and BE at NQY doesn't seem to have much scope for it either?




cs

[LBIA]

2 possible ways it could happen is w-legging one of the 2 routes flybe do currently operate into LBA on a year round basis.

Flybe do LBA-BHD upto 4x daily using Dash 8-Q400, so in theory they could fit in a possible BHD-LBA-NQY, NQY-LBA-BHD utilising the mid morning rotation which operates 7 days a week.
Meanwhile Loganair operate a 2x daily weekday only LBA-GLA service with Saab 340 so could also possibly do a GLA-LBA-NQY NQY-LBA-GLA rotation on either the moring or evening legs but they would have a slight problems with this as they don't operate into LBA over the weekend.

[Coffin Corner]

The thing is, Flybe isn't Loganair and Loganair isn't Flybe so it's not going to be a Loganair route. It's Flybe that's tendered for the PSO so Flybe will fly it.
As for how, yes you're right, it'll probably be a pattern with an aircraft that already flies into LBA. SOU maybe?

[Wycombe]

BEE don't fly SOU-LBA anymore. Eastern increased frequency and aircraft size (S2000) in response.

[cornishsimon]

Suppose there's a chance that BE reinstate the second MAN-NQY and operate MAN-NQY-LBA-NQY-MAN

Plus there's also the LCY rumour that could drop into the middle of that on a Manchester based Q?


cs

[chrismoose]

if there was an AMS-NQY route I would've been tempted to do LBA-AMS-NQY before now, although with LBA-NQY probably happening that may not be necessary.

[LBIA]

Flybe have just announced 2 new summer routes from Newquay this morning to Liverpool and Glasgow. The 2 routes will be 1x weekly on Saturdays using a Glasgow based aircraft which will w-leg to Liverpool with flights running from May 21st until September 24th.

Pirate FM - News - Two New Summer Routes From Cornwall's Airport (http://www.piratefm.co.uk/news/latest-news/1859971/two-new-summer-routes-from-cornwalls-airport/)

BE571 = GLA 14:25 - NQY 16:05 / BE1232 = NQY 16:50 - LPL 18:05
BE1233 = LPL 18:30 - NQY 19:45 / BE574 = NQY 20:30 - GLA 22:05

Still no sign of the year round service to Leeds/Bradford yet.

[Wycombe]

More good news but both routes that have been operated before:

LPL was 2 weekly with EZY last year.
GLA was last operated a few years back by BEE on a Logan Saab.

The BEE online timetable also shows that a second EDI rotation has been added on Saturdays from mid-June to early Aug.

[cornishsimon]

Certainly does seem to be a good year for NQY so far !

My guess would be that if they can make these routes work that NQY will eventually become a base in 17!

Many would prefer the once weekly routes to be double weekly, however every little helps as they say.

The two EDI rotations on a Saturday is curious however !

I suspect we will see more from flybe announced for NQY soon. LBA is still to be released, LCY 6 weekly was rumored and MAN is still only showing 8 weekly for summer down from 10 last year.

Manchester could be down to 7 of the 8 being operated on the E95 rather than the Q however I suspect we might see some additional capacity added to the route.


cs

[AerRyan]

1 weekly domestic services are not at all useful to the vast majority of people, flybe are absurd! Wouldn't be surprised to see load of below 30%.

[NewquayJacob]

Flybe operate several once weekly domestic flights May - September and have done for the last couple of years with good loads - I think it is more of the inbound holiday market rather than outbounds for Cornwall. I do agree that once weekly though is useless for the vast majority of people - 2 weekly eg would allow short breaks...

Although on the whole 2016 is looking like a promising year...

[toon22]

Au contraire AerRyan, the weekly services do extremely well for Flybe - hence the addition of LPL and GLA. The twice-weekly EZY to LPL didn't work because of poor midweek loads and a ridiculously short season.

[NewquayJacob]

The only thing that could be said is leaving Newquay at 20:05 and arriving into Glasgow at 22:30! Prices seem reasonable for GLA, EDI, LPL etc

[Cloud1]

I think we will see an increase in UK tourism. With overseas security unstable and the Spanish markets seeing heightened demand prices will increase and people will choose to holiday in the UK. If we have a good summer, we could see high loads and decent yields on these single weekly flights.

[CabinCrewe]

My only worry is BEs notorious time keeping and w patterns back to GLA last thing at night is a recipe for a delay... (as likely to be families etc)

[cornishsimon]

don't forget that most of these once weekly destinations are available via a BE to BE connection with the exception of LPL I think so the reality is that direct flights are only once weekly however you can return midweek, albeit with a connection rather than direct.




cs

[cornishsimon]

I take my hat off to flybe for listening about NQY-MAN

The current summer schedule has slowly crept from 7-9 weekly. Only oddity being its once daily but with 3 rotations on a Sunday ??!

Please tell me that somewhere along the road they are going to add in some additional weekday capacity ? Maybe operating LBA on a W pattern ex MAN ?


cs

[LBIA]

Interesting conversation regards the Leeds route appeared on Newquay Airport's Twitter page 2 weeks ago after the new routes to Liverpool and Glasgow were announced.

Somebody asked them this question: @Newquay_Airport any news on when the new @flybe year round schedule route to @LBIAirport will be confirmed and flights released for sale?

Newquay Airport replied with the following: Soon, very soon. Just waiting on some dotted i's and crossed t's. We will let you know as soon as we do ourselves!

[globetrotter79]

Am assuming it wouldn't be too difficult to fit in LBA-NQY-LBA in the middle of the day in between Leeds' existing BHD-LBA-BHD schedule; probably move back the BE732 (late morning departure LBA to BHD) and operate LBA-NQY-LBA departing Leeds at 11:15?

[cornishsimon]

Any thoughts on the proposed LCY route which had schedules loaded and then removed. ?


cs

[globetrotter79]

Flybe have one aircraft which nightstops at LCY - it operates the first LCY-EDI of the day and the last back.
From what I recall, the schedules which appeared briefly in the booking engine were an evening lcy-nqy-lcy, so it would be my guess that flyBe were tinkering with the idea of dropping out the evening EDI flight during the peak summer and inserting NQY instead.
This is quite common practice at lcy where demand for business routes drops right off during the high peak summer - BA Cityflyer, for example, already switch frequencies quite extensively from business routes onto the French/Spanish/Greek leisure routings during this period.

[NewquayJacob]

It would appear that 2 Sunday Manchester rotations are operated by the Newquay E195 at 11:20 and 15:00 and there's a Dash flight at 10:35 (MAN-NQY-MAN) when LGW drops to 2 daily at weekends.

[toon22]

Thought I'd jump to the defence of Newquay posters who are accused elsewhere of spouting a lot of 'hot air'
Let's compare this Summer with last:
LGW - upgrade to the E195
MAN - same
ABZ, LPL, DSA, GLA - new routes from Flybe
DUB - frequency increase
HHN, ALC - new routes from FR
DUS - upgrade from CRJ to 319/20

The only loss has been an eight week LPL season from EZY.

So much hot air? - I think not.

[toon22]

Has cornishsimon been cowed into silence?
I'm sure he would have posted: ADF is gone from today. E195 onto Gatwick and Manchester also today. Doncaster started on 24th March. Birmingham and Stansted back too. Ryanair to Alicante and Hahn from next weekend. Exciting times in the South West.

[GROUNDHOG]

The airport management must be congratulated in getting the new routes and I have no doubt have given some sweetheart deals to attract them.

The proof of the pudding will be in a year or two times, we should get excited when we see which ones are still operating and contributing to the airport overhead.

It might be exciting for the spotters but from CCC and -Newquay's point of view it doesn't matter if there are 100 flights queued up to take off if they are not covering the overhead.

[EI-A330-300]

EI have released DUB x3 weekly for full winter season. M,F,Su service, Th was only sale also but zero's out a few weeks ago.

[cornishsimon]

That's clearly very good news that the service is going from seasonal to year round albeit with reduced frequency.

But three weekly during very off peak season shows good commitment and probably positive advanced bookings to make it worth while.

cs

[LBIA]

Understand that Flybe are to announce Newquay to Leeds/Bradford route today.

[cornishsimon]

About time too !

[Wycombe]

Flybe online timetable indicates it will start 28th Oct with 3 weekly frequency (Tu, Fri, Sun).

The timetable also currently indicates that DSA will end when this starts.

Suspect this is Flybe making use of the Regional Routes Development fund.

[Wycombe]

The Germanwings DUS Summer service started last Saturday, and was operated by an A320.

I asked a question on another forum and was told that the inbound flight was full bar 1 seat. And it's not high season yet.

The same person also told me that loads on the Ryanair flights have been very good so far (with some fully booked).

Bodes well!

[cornishsimon]

Does indeed sound very promising.

Cornwall-Germany is a huge market. Tbh I'm surprised that LH group or flybe haven't jumped onto other German routes and I'm surprised that the DUS is still 1 weekly, DUS has previously been 2 weekly with a CRJ plus a mainline 735 if my memory hasn't completely failed me !

I would expect 2017 will see either LH group adding German destinations or if flybe add to the NQY based E95 to see flybe on German routes ex NQY.

I understand that th current flybe NQY based E95 is doing good numbers to both LGW and MAN so this is also very encouraging. I suspect of numbers continue to rise that we will see MAN go double daily for summer17 with morning and evening rotations to open up the full range of connections available at MAN BE-BE/VS/EK etc


cs

[Heathrow Harry]

lot of holiday makers steering clear of the Continent this year...................

[Espada III]

Hello

Would welcome some advice about NQY as a passenger...


location of Europcar rental desk and car return spot?
expected time for delivery of luggage?
any quirks on check-in/security/departure?
Is one hour check-in with luggage, more than adequate?
time and distance from car rental return place to check in?


Thanks

[londoncornish]

Espada III - some advice for your trip!

- Rental desk and return is the same location - turn right out of arrivals, and its the building right in front of you
- Luggage comes quick - within 5 mins of arrival
- No real quirks - efficient, although very thorough, just use plenty of trays :-)
- One hour check-in is more than enough - even with luggage
- 2 mins will easily see you from the car hire block to check in

The airport is tiny and now geared up for the summer season - you'll fly through - i fly to London each week and from arrival in the car park to the gate is max 10 mins, so easy to navigate.

[Espada III]

Thanks LondonCornish - much appreciated.

[cornishsimon]

Really not a good week for flybe on the BE801-806 & 354/5 rotations.

Everything delayed +++ most of the week.

What's the answer to solving these issues ? These routes must be some of the worse performing in flybe currently.


cs

[NewquayJacob]

BE806 is now operating into Exeter (ETA 00:30) was the pax being bused onto NQY

[cornishsimon]

Well that's no doubt down to NQY not being open 24h. They seem to of been accommodating to flybe with extending opening hours recently but iv no idea when the cut off is.

Crew are EXT based so that makes as much sense as anywhere, but surely that in turn Cocks up the 801 rotation tomorrow ?


cs

[NewquayJacob]

Knock on delays caused by needing the maximum crew rest break between last nights LGW and this mornings LGW...

Whatever the issue BEs punctuality out of NQY has been a bit of a shambles really whether it's the E195 to LGW/MAN or the AT72 they seem to be sending in from BHX and onto STN.

I have noticed the extensions as you say. Presumably the DATCO takes a break between the normal closing time and the ETA of the last LGW rotation if delayed but I would imagine that 00:30 is far beyond the 10hour cut off for ATC and exceeds duty hours for RFFS as well.

[cornishsimon]

caa provisionals for April look promising on the E95 trunk routes
LGW 12552 +28%
MAN 5472 + 27%


surely if the numbers continue like this on MAN this route is a prime contender for going double daily ? even with LBA due to start in October16


cs

[crackling jet]

plus if they called into Bristol and added a few more pax - Bingo, even greater loads as with ASW. I know, it's me again !, i'll get my coat and sod off. But at least you have to sit on an a/c, unlike the train where you have to stand all the way to Manchester. That's if you can get on one.

[ATNotts]

plus if they called into Bristol and added a few more pax - Bingo, even greater loads as with ASW. I know, it's me again !, i'll get my coat and sod off. But at least you have to sit on an a/c, unlike the train where you have to stand all the way to Manchester. That's if you can get on one.
Admire your optimism, but calling into BRS would add an extra hour in all probability to the journey, add to operating costs (extra fuel burn, additional landing and handling charges for example).

You don't have to stand on trains, as I understand it seat reservations are free.

[cornishsimon]

BRS stop wouldn't work for BE. It worked well for SZ due to the model they operated.

As a NQY fan boy it's worth noting that the numbers for NQY-LON based on latest caa stats for April now exceed LBA-LON. Yes I know that ex NQY goes to LGW and STN but even so it should prove that a LHR link would be viable.


cs

[EI-BUD]

Cornishsimon,

Remarkable job being done on growing the traffic ex Newquay, great to see the airport progressing. Cornwall is a great part of the Country so continued success.

The LHR piece may well work but it is the common theme, it is not so much that it would work but rather that other routes are far more lucrative. The charges for flying to /from LHR make it prohibitive for short point to point flying ( large part of the problem that Bmi had). so LHR would be largely transfer pax, And adding lhr woyld impact LGW, so may not be a great addition in they long run.

And while not to down NQY, LBA, if it had the right schedule it may well do a lot better, but again the commercial argument comes into play there too. I'd say that LBA is marginal at best, probably in excess of 75% of pax are transfer...

[cornishsimon]

drone incident with flybe aircraft on approach to NQY earlier in the week


Flybe aircraft and drone in 'near-miss' near Newquay airport - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-37042796)




in other news
https://www.cornwallairportnewquay.com/press/press-releases/passenger-numbers-continue-to-soar-at-cornwall-airport-newquay
passenger numbers up 65% year on year for July16, with the airport reporting over 50,000 passengers in July.




cs

[Non Emmett]

I was in the vicinity of Newquay Airport on Tuesday afternoon trying to keep my seven year old grandson happy. We watched a Jet 2 757 make repeated approaches, they seem to use our uncrowded airspace here in Cornwall quite often and as far as I know they reported no problems arising from misuse of a drone .

We moved on to the Cornwall Aviation Centre Museum and saw the ATR 72 land midafternoon. Cornwall is awash with tourists at this time of the year and the Newquay area is currently even busier than usual with the Boardmasters Surfing Competitions underway. Let's hope the idiot that did this can be apprehended but the police have a real task on their hands to sort this out it seems to me.

Some months ago I noted a drone operating over our street in a village here in Cornwall. Many weeks later I was approached at home by a fellow trying to flog air to ground photos of our property. The drone was operated at perhaps eighty to one hundred feet. Was this legal ?

[toon22]

Over 13000 pax on LGW - higher than LBA LHR on 3/day A319. Large increases on MAN and DUB, so shaping up for a good summer. Germanwings DUS already on sale for S'17 with a longer season with A319 retained.

[cornishsimon]

NQY is having a great year for passenger numbers.


Germany is a huge market for Cornwall and has been for years, if anything I can see more German routes to compliment the existing germanwings and Ryanair routes.


Aer Lingus have shown support for the NQY-DUB route by extending the seasonal service to year round with reduced frequency during the winter months, sadly the EI website doesn't allow onward bookings, however a decent TA can and will make onward single ticket bookings, including via DUB to UK domestic destinations, these destination are also available via the BA codeshare but oddly not via EI.


UK domestic on flybe is going from strength to strength, this is down to multiple codeshares opening up onward conenctions on BA, VS, EK etc etc etc along with the E95 being put onto both routes.


The big question in my mind is when are flybe going to make NQY either a base or to nightstop 2 aircraft and operate MAN double daily, morning and evening.


The issue to a base would be winter time routes, but however they do it MAN in my opinion could easily see 10,000 monthly with sufficient rotations, currently speaking the aircraft goes out full most days.


As for the future well its anyones guess, but theres demand for air travel and onward connections into and out of NQY


interesting times ahead and a very interesting few months until the full summer 17 schedules are known.


LBA is a good addition, but I could see EMA added as well as the likes of EDI, GLA, etc all adding rotations, plus I don't think were too far off seeing another legacy hub connection to CDG, AMS or FRA




cs

[cornishsimon]

Looks like FR are in the process of loading summer17 NQY schedules. Flights show up for ALC & HHN but prices etc aren't loaded yet.

Maybe an additional destination or two you never know.


cs

[Wycombe]

Nothing additional from RYR that I can see, but ALC and HHN both appear to start again from the beginning of S17 (end of March).

[cornishsimon]

well lets be glad its not showing any reductions and its returning, must prove that its holding its own as far as numbers and revenue goes as I doubt FR would keep it if it was loss making.


cs

[cornishsimon]

Flybe have released summer 17 schedules for DSA.
Very happy to see that NQY remains 3 weekly.

Seems to go from AM this year to PM next year. But great to see it remain considering the LBA introduction.

Now to hope and prey that flybe make NQY-MAN twice daily with a decent morning and evening flight !!!!

cs

[Heathrow Harry]

as its almost certainly a holiday route why would they do that?

[chaps1954]

Because it`s not just a holiday route there is quite a lot of business traffic connecting through Manchester onwards to wherever you want and it`s easier to get to than Heathrow and has a better selection than Gatwick for long haul and northern Europe

[BA318]

NQY tweeted: Cornwall Airport NQY ‏@Newquay_Airport 6m6 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/Newquay_Airport/status/778547397953806336) Keep an eye on our feeds guys! Big announcement coming soon today! Wonder what it could be? #Cornwall (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cornwall?src=hash) #Ryanair (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ryanair?src=hash) #Excitingnews (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Excitingnews?src=hash)


Any guesses? obviously its another Ryanair route.

[Jamie2k9]

Faro bookable

[Heathrow Harry]

"it`s not just a holiday route there is quite a lot of business traffic"

There's hardly a decent sized business in the whole County - especially once you strip out the public sector. The bigest private sector employer is probably St. Austell Brewey and they only employ around 1000 people

[chaps1954]

I know Cornwall very well thanks
Small companies still have to travel infact a friend of mine has 4 employees and travels abroad at least twice a week
luckily he lives in Stockport because he can do those trips which would not be possible from Cornwall at present


Ian

[cornishsimon]

Don't you think public sector use NQY?


plus let's not forget that VS, EK etc are all pushing connections via MAN & LGW

6,000 a month on a pure tourism related route. Wow

cs

[compton3bravo]

Regarding the Faro route, I can see Portuguese and maybe some North Spanish who work in the leisure industry in the south west using the route but not many others.

[AerRyan]

North Spanish?

You don't know where Faro is located do you?

Maybe you're thinking of Porto?

[compton3bravo]

Oops sorry, should know better as I spend most of my time in Spain. I better go to the back of the class!

[Heathrow Harry]

CHAPS - I'm not denying that small business people fly international - but you need a lot or people flying in Business Class to pay for a route - especially if you want an out & back each day. Look at the struggles that even places like LBA, NCL & GLA have to maintain a network of buisness destinations - and they all have a lot bigger business sector that Cornwall & Devon combined

[chaps1954]

Heathrow Harry the route is nearly as strong in the winter as it is in the summer a nd people just do not want a 6hr drive in each direction for a business trip, I used to work in business travel and have a pretty good idea of what peoples requirements are .
Many business pax don`t fly business class now anyway and there isn`t business class on Flybe domestic products and looking at the fares which are holding up very well out of the
holiday season.
I think you will find that most business travelers come to Manchester as it is as quick to to Manchester with it`s multi daily schedules rather than struggle to LBA as it is far better connected by rail/motorways, The North East is a different case and is struggling
Glasgow/Edinburgh quite well served

Ian

[Heathrow Harry]

Just can't see the amount of business based in the extrme SW as big enough to justify out & back every day - sorry.

LBA & NCL have very fast train & frequent services to London and still struggle ot build business routes to the Continent (except of course to AMS)

[SWBKCB]

What's all this about the North East struggling on business routes non-sense? :=

As well as AMS, NCL has CPH, BRU, DUS, CDG - oh and record numbers to DXB in August. :D

[Heathrow Harry]

I stand corrected !!!

But last time I went through NCL at the same time as the DXB flight arrived I'd have guessed it was mainly holiday traffic - probably enough inter-lining at DXB and business traffic on top of the high Y class load factors that keep it going (or even expanding!)

But the NE has 2.6 million people - Cornwall around 500,000

[SWBKCB]

The 300 tonnes a year of cargo ain't going on its holidays! :ok:

[chaps1954]

Unless its buckets and spades lol!

[GROUNDHOG]

Harry
500,000 is about a tenth of the number of visitors each year.

If you lived in Cornwall and REALLY knew the place you would be aware just how much it has grown in terms of business and technology over very recent years.

I have always been sceptical about the future of Newquay and remain that way, I have always said its return to profit can only be achieved by bolt on activities and it is great that this is happening.

I would certainly use Manchester as a hub rather than Heathrow or Gatwick except for now anyway my regular route is not served from Manchester. If it were I would switch in a heartbeat.

You mention Devon in a previous post.. isn't that in England?:)

[Heathrow Harry]

yes but the visitors mainly arrive by car & train - I know this only too well as we visit friends in Cornwall on a regular basis and it can be HELL on both in summer. Holiday visitors don't need out & back daily flights - business does. But even if it has grown in terms in business & technology there are still no really large companies in Cornwall - just look at the numbers.

I'm sure Newquay can scrub along - after all Dundee is managing (just!) - but to see it developing any significant multiple flights per day to more than a couple of places is just dreaming. It's certainly got a better chance of surviving than Manston or Teeside

[GROUNDHOG]

I certainly agree with the last part of your post, little regional airport with limited traffic at the far corner of the Country will always be restricted in what it can achieve
Do not underestimate the growth in business travel though,these are the people that do not have time to sit in your hellish traffic jams.

[trafficnotsighted]

Business wise the PLY - NQY - LGW route that BA / Air Southwest operated 3 times a day with DHC8 worked well and in reality all that was warranted for the area.

[chaps1954]

Things are moving on The Gatwick and Manchester routes now need a E195, When I travel to Corwall it`s always over night because of the solid traffic from Stockport all the way to A30
near Newquay 7 hrs during day 40 mins flight and train is nearly as bad as car and is more expensive.

[toon22]

The first LBA NQY service this Friday is showing 'full' on the Flybe site. Can't all be freebies, so hopefully that's that route off to a good start. 195's on LGW and MAN plus winter flights to DUB should see very healthy growth over the Winter.

[lbalad]

Well me n other half are on first flight Friday.We definitely not on a freebie.Although I did book flights on the day they were announced for less than £40 each return,bargain to this yorkshireman!.

[NewquayJacob]

Looks like NQY is about to receive EI weather diverts from BRS and CWL.

[cornishsimon]

Makes sense for EIr who have handling and fuel contracts in place at NQY already.

Makes sense for NQY as every penny helps. Being open to accept diversions can provide a welcome additional income.


cs

[Trash 'n' Navs]

Just want to say I had a great experience going through NQY for the first time. A great little airport with friendly people.

The only negative of the trip was my experience at the other end of the route (@LGWobviously)!!

BE was great and LF looked decent for a mid-week flight.

Looking to take the family back next time.

[nonemmet]

Why is it that the LGW security scanners won't read the barcode thingy, on the return boarding cards that NQY checkin helpfully print for you?

[EI-A330-300]

Service will run x5 weekly (+1) in March/April, x7 (+2, apart from Jul/Aug +1) in May-October.

New 09.00 ex DUB daily (excl SUN 19.15) so would expect BOS, EWR, JFK, ORD, BDL to be offered.

[toon22]

That's good news for Summer '17. I understand that loads on the service this winter are not too shabby. The new LBA service seems to be doing well. Only 4 seats shohwing as available northbound on todays flight and some flights around Christmas already full.

[GayFriendly]

I wish BE would make the BHX route year round, whenever I fly on it in summer there always seems to be a decent number of Cornwall residents on board. With BE now offering so many connecting flights from BHX themselves and with code share partners this must also stack up the need for a year round BHX route?

[cornishsimon]

surely its just a matter of time before BE make NQY a base and operate more year round and seasonal routes.


Germany is a huge market here so would be surprised if another German route isn't added soon




cs

[cornishsimon]

If the summer17 flybe schedule does in fact release tomorrow as suggested elsewhere what do you guys think that NQY will look like for BE ?


cs

[VISCOUNT58]

I expect it will be similar to this year, although what I'd like to see is a mid-week (Tu,We, or Th) added to the Saturday only routes to enable shorter 3 or 4 day breaks.

[cornishsimon]

Similar I'm also hoping but like you some additional midweek frequencies on the Saturday only routes.

Perhaps a German route ? And hopefully see sense and up rotations to Manchester.


cs

[cornishsimon]

Quite disappointing looking at the flybe summer17 release assuming it's complete which I don't think it is.

However based on current release STN dropped. MAN down to 1 daily.

Marginal increase on GLA and BHD


cs

[Wycombe]

STN shows as operating if you view online timetable with it as departure point.

Some additional freqencies (eg, EDI midweek, GLA on Sat and Sun) and earlier starts (eg, BHD from 1st April) but NCL is showing as 1 rotation only in Sept'17, so would say this deffo isn't finished yet.

[Jet2LBA]

There's also the LBA route increasing to 5x weekly, which didn't exist at all last summer.

[cornishsimon]

Yes suspect that flybe schedules aren't fully released as yet as makes no sense to have 1 single NCL per year !

Looks like the gap exists between BHX-NQY-BHX to fit the STN in but will be interesting to see a proper finalized schedule


cs

[Heathrow Harry]

Newcastle thread reckons

"The Flybe schedule is also out, with Exeter and Newquay as per this summer"

[toon22]

Flybe seasonal weekends all on sale.
ABZ,EDI,GLA,NCL,LPL all from 27/5
BHD From 1/4
Additional to S'16: EDI Wed from 3/6, GLA Sun and extra Sat BHD in peak.
Other changes to MAN,BHX,STN and LGW still to come I expect.

[cornishsimon]

Good news for NQY.
Aer lingus will be making onward connections via DUB available for travel from March 17
https://www.cornwallairportnewquay.com/press/press-releases/newquay-to-north-america-and-canada-from-just-229-each-way

cs

[compton3bravo]

Just noticed the charges for taking photos at the airport including the cafe, departure lounge and car parks etc. They are taking the p**s at £200 a go. Rip off Britain what! How much! I will just have to have a glass of red wine to get over it, 1 Euro (85p) a bottle from the local Lidls!

[tophat27dt]

Why only one glass at that price? Better than what the pubs charge = around £5 a glass.

[Wycombe]

Just noticed the charges for taking photos at the airport including the cafe, departure lounge and car parks etc. They are taking the p**s at £200 a go.

I think you'll find that's for commercial media, programme/film makers etc. Doubt very much that applies to Reginald S. Potter with his camera/phone etc!

[Martin the Martian]

Yes, the big title on the document 'Commercial Filming & Photography Charges' is a big giveaway.:rolleyes:

Perhaps a little less of the wine beforehand?

[canberra97]

i can't believe Compton3bravo thought the Commercial charge applied to Joe Public, hasn't he seen this charge before on other similar websites!

The naivety of it all!

[compton3bravo]

Alright even if it is commercial it still is a rip-off in my opinion but there again I am a Yorkshireman!

[cornishsimon]

So now that's cleared up.

Any actual Nqy news ?

Has STN really been dropped by flybe or is it a schedule delay ? Is MAN really just daily ?

Hopefully flybe have more to pull out of the bag.

EI seem to be getting good press locally with regards to onward connections which is good, these aren't yet bookable via EI but are via BA and the prices do indeed look good.

Any other hints of routes to come ?


cs

[EI-A330-300]

cornishsimon

EI have US flights available.

[cornishsimon]

Thanks for that. Was on the mobile version of the website and nothing showing! However the main page doesn't show NYC and various others so suspect it's a work in progress


cs

[BA318]

New Route!


Aer Lingus to Cork. Newquay Airport just tweeted it. Seats from £34.99 but no further info.

[EI-A330-300]

2 weekly from 6 May (Wed, Sat)

[cornishsimon]

some very good news coming in the final few weeks of the year for NQY


DUB now 7 weekly
ORK new 2 weekly
MAN schedules updated to 14 weekly


still more to come I feel as the current schedules for MAN and BHX look like they have room for an ex NQY return before the aircraft operate back to MAN/BHX bases.




cs

[cornishsimon]

Some fiddling with the BE schedules today.

STN returns daily for summer 17
BHX goes 8 weekly with 2nd Sunday flight then 9 weekly with an additional Saturday for the peak season.
BHD x2 on a Saturday for the entire summer season

Still looks like something is due to be released as currently there is a five hour gap between the Manchester based aircrafts arrival into NQY and the return departure ex NQY.

Looks like it should be a good year to come for NQY.


cs

[cornishsimon]

2016 looks like quite a good year for NQY




London Gatwick - 150137-30+
Stansted -21364 -48+
Aberdeen - 1534 - New
Belfast City - 1778 - 11+
Birmingham - 23955 - 1+
Doncaster/Sheffield - 11255 - New
Edinburgh - 2693 - 14+
Glasgow - 2307 - New
Leeds Bradford - 3171 - New
Liverpool - 1851 - 65-
Manchester - 66480 - 22+
Newcastle - 1922 - 11-
Dusseldorf - 3704 - 40+
Hahn - 16933 - New
Dublin - 21753 - 162+
Alicante - 20725 - New

[chaps1954]

Needs a reformat Simon

[cornishsimon]

try that
best I can do


cs

[Cloud1]

Do we know what the frequencies were and time periods? Would be good to get an average pax load.

I assume:

London Gatwick - E195
Stansted - Q400
Aberdeen - Q400
Belfast City - Q400
Birmingham - Q400
Doncaster/Sheffield - E195
Edinburgh - Q400
Glasgow - Q400
Leeds Bradford - Q400
Liverpool - Q400 or A319?
Manchester - E195/175
Newcastle - Q400
Dusseldorf - ?
Hahn - B738
Dublin - ATR42?
Alicante - B738

[cornishsimon]

DUB was mainly ATR 72 with the odd 42

The flybe is difficult.
STN sometimes had the E95 and LGW sometimes the Q on the middle rotation
MAN was E95 during summer but Manchester based E75 during winter

cs

[chaps1954]

Cheers Simon

[Wycombe]

In 2016 I believe DUS was mainly 319's, with a few 320's.

[cornishsimon]

Not long now until Newquays largest summer schedule kicks off (route wise)


Looks like Manchester could well be the stand out success with twice daily, I suspect that the route will get to 90/100k this year which just goes to show how many are connecting onward via the route.

[solitary man]

I see that Skybus are recruiting for the Twin Otter, is there any chance someone could provide information on basings, rostering, general lifestyle and an overview of what its like to work there and experience they require??

Many thanks for your help.

[rog747]

https://www.islesofscilly-travel.co.uk/vacancies/dhc6-twin-otter-captain/

based at lands end - lovely spot - very quiet and will be hard to find accomm in summer unless there are shares in houses or flats
penzance around 20 mins away

[solitary man]

Thanks rog747, how do they crew the NQY base or is everything run out of Lands end? i'm also interested in a typical roster. I imagine due to the operation that roster instability is the norm, but I'm used to that where I am currently.

Many thanks again.

[rog747]

if you are type rated I am sure they will chat to you

[solitary man]

Thanks, I've already submitted my CV as of friday so i'll wait to hear. Many thanks again, much appreciated.

[Harry Wayfarers]

hard to find accomm in summer

Try a caravan :)

[rog747]

Thanks rog747, how do they crew the NQY base or is everything run out of Lands end? i'm also interested in a typical roster. I imagine due to the operation that roster instability is the norm, but I'm used to that where I am currently.

Many thanks again.

no Sunday flying normally to ISC - but they may do training on that day or charters - not sure if they do scenic flights on Sundays

rosters - well its highly seasonal 6 months - and very very weather dictated
the number of days fog/low vis low clouds and high winds affect these airports is enormous ISC LEQ NQY and to a lesser extent EXT - then they play catch up to shift the pax although their mail ship steamer picks up the slack and delayed/cancelled pax and takes them by sea to PNZ

[cornishsimon]

Any idea why EI3342 DUB-JER diverted to nqy this morning ?

[Scinfaxi]

Dropped off 2 engineers to inspect EI-CBK

[Espada III]

Am flying down from MAN in July. Last year single the Sunday flight was woefully delayed. What will this year bring on the delay front? Flying on the first Sunday flight, returning on the second Tuesday flight?

[Reversethrustset]

Not factual. All aircraft are crewed by MAN crews but yes, the E175 is a MAN based aircraft.

[cornishsimon]

Aren't the Sunday's flown on the E95 ex NQY ?

[RHagrid]

Any ideas what the Royal Mail are proposing at Newquay?
Some rumours from on high suggesting a new Mail Flight possibly starting this year......

[cornishsimon]

Rumors were posted on the thread relating to the new Royal Mail freight contract but nothing specific.

My guess would be that the prospect of setting up in the enterprise zone at nqy is too good an opportunity to miss out on.

Would guess STN and EMA or just one of those ? But if they are opening up some sort of new facility it would seem odd to do that for just one flight a night. I would however imagine that if they set up something that a NQY facility would Then take over handling mail for ISC over LEQ but that would just be a guess.

[NewquayJacob]

cs

Whilst your idea is just a guess I don't think any mail handling for the Scillies would move.

And your correct on Sat/Sun the MAN rotations are done by the NQY E195

[cornishsimon]

So. One know anything solid re Royal Mail / cargo ops at newquay ?

[Heathrow Harry]

Old Newquay thread seems to have disapeared......


Bloodhound Diary: Newquay is go!



A British team is developing a car that will be capable of reaching 1,000mph (1,610km/h). Powered by a rocket bolted to a Eurofighter-Typhoon jet engine, the vehicle will first mount an assault on the world land speed record (763mph; 1,228km/h). Bloodhound (http://www.bloodhoundssc.com) should start running on Hakskeen Pan in Northern Cape, South Africa, in 2018.

Bloodhound is Go! That's the phrase we've been waiting for and now the dates are confirmed (https://bloodhoundssc.yourticketbooking.com/events/bloodhound): we'll be blasting the car down the runway at Newquay in Cornwall at the end of October.

We've picked three separate events to show off the car. The best day (if you can make it) is 26 October, which will be the car's first-ever public runs.

This is the VIP and media day, and we're giving all our 1K Club Gold Members the chance to join our other VIPs, to say thank you for their support

The public day is 28 October, which will give everyone the chance to come along and see the fantastic support we're getting from Cornwall Airport Newquay, as we run the world's most advanced straight-line racing car along their runway.

Finally (and perhaps most importantly), we're having a schools' day on 30 October, as we bring Bloodhound's "Engineering Adventure" to life for future engineers in the most exciting way possible.

At the Bloodhound Technical Centre right now, there's a lot of work going on to get the car ready for its first test runs and our first public "show". To keep it simple, the car will be running with the jet engine only, as the rocket system isn't ready yet (we don't need it for runway testing).

There's still a long list of work to get the car ready for Newquay.

The task list is a logical one, starting with lower-chassis assembly, then fitting the front and rear suspension, and the final installation of the cockpit and systems will be completed while the upper-chassis is being assembled.  The lower-chassis is already being finished off, with the installation of the "rocket tunnel" as the last major piece of structural work on the car.
But hang on a minute, I've just said that we won't be using the rocket this year, so why are we fitting the titanium "tunnel" that the rocket sits in? There's a simple explanation.
The tunnel is a structural part of the car, adding torsional stiffness (in other words, reducing the tendency to twist) in the lower-chassis. After a lot of folding, drilling and riveting, the tunnel is now fully installed, some two weeks ahead of schedule - a great start by the workshop team.

Once the car is fully assembled and "workshop-tested", we'll aim to move down to Newquay by the start of October. So what's going to happen when we get to Newquay and how fast will the car go when you come to see it run?

The peak speed on the runway will depend on several things that we need to find out during our October test sessions, before the high-speed public runs at the end of the month. The first thing we need to know is how the jet engine performs at slow speed.

Bloodhound's jet air intake (the big upside-down mouth that sits just behind the cockpit) is optimised (i.e. it is the right size) for around 850mph,

For simplicity, Bloodhound has a fixed intake, designed to give maximum power (and minimum drag) at supersonic speeds, so it is deliberately made fairly small. This means that at very slow speeds, the intake will not be able to feed the EJ200 jet engine with all the air it needs, so we are likely to be power-limited until the car is well over 100mph.

Once we've tested the intake, we'll know how quickly we can accelerate the car.

That's only half the challenge though, as we have to stop the car again before reaching the other end of Newquay's 1.7-mile runway. That means measuring the precise grip of the high-speed aircraft tyres (which were not designed for a 5-tonne, jet-powered car) and measuring how much energy the brakes can absorb.

When we add together the engine intake limits, the acceleration distance, braking distance, brake energy limit, and so on, we'll come up with a maximum speed for runway runs.

We've announced an intention to do "up to 200mph". How fast do I think we can go? Here's the bit where I risk embarrassment by taking a guess. With a bit of luck, I think we'll be able to reach just over 200mph on the runway at Newquay. Want to find out? Come and watch (https://bloodhoundssc.yourticketbooking.com/events/bloodhound)!

[cornishsimon]

http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airports-routes/475247-newquay-61.html

This one you mean

[bravoromeosierra]

Oooh, watch out.. the forum police have arrived!

That's you told then. :=

[cornishsimon]

Oooh, watch out.. the forum police have arrived!

That's you told then. :=

Actually trying to be helpful relying to:

Old Newquay thread seems to have disapeared......

But hey ho

[Non Emmett]

I was at the Cornwall Aviation Museum at Newquay a few days ago, suggestions were that the high speed runs to be conducted at the airfield will cost £60 per person to view. Delighted it is going to take place here in Cornwall but this is a bit beyond my wallet.

[Heathrow Harry]

Sorry guys - went through all the pages and couldn't find teh Newquay page- used the Search box and the thread din't come up -suugest mods merge this in

[cornishsimon]

Certainly not an issue HH. I had to use google search to find the thread !!

The bloodhound project is really good PR for NQY and cornwall in general and should benefit the local community.

On the subject of NQY it looks like they are set for another good year, the domestic flights to LGW and MAN Iv been on have been 95+% load with from observations a decent proportion of connecting passengers, on LGW EK, and BA and MAN mainly BE with some VS.

Not science and can't back it up obviously.

[toon22]

It seems shame the Newquay thread has gone so quiet when the airport is enjoying one of its best - ever years. The June CAA stats show a rolling average of 414k passengers, over 40% up on 2016 which itself saw growth of nearly 50% on '15.
This year's new routes to Cork and Faro appear to be doing well according to the same set of CAA figures. Newquay has left airports like Humberrside and Derry far behind and if current growth continues could be set to overtake Norwich and even Bournemouth in the next couple of years.

[cornishsimon]

Any more info on the hint from a few months ago about Royal Mail cargo/post flights ?

[01475]

It's usually a good sign when a thread goes quiet here! What are the busiest threads? DTV and Manston may not be, but are close!

[Harry Wayfarers]

It's usually a good sign when a thread goes quiet here! What are the busiest threads? DTV and Manston may not be, but are close!

Not forgetting Eastern Airways and Aurigny for not having much in the way of flying activity!

[Heathrow Harry]

aaahh - we're back on the same page - Thankyou Mods!!!

never mind Manston - look at NCL!!! Medium sized airport with one intercontinental route and dozens of people post every week

[CabinCrewe]

NCL has to be one of the disproportionately posted threads...
Wonder what the spotter/professional ratio is vs eg LHR

[EK77WNCL]

I'll take that one as a sign of NCL's potential ;)

Lovely little airport with a lot going on for it's size/location

[Heathrow Harry]

And yet less than 3 hours from London with a train service the SW can only dream about

I guess the metro to the airport helps....

[toon22]

Back for a much longer season next year. Loaded from 5th May to 20th October, a good six weeks more than this year. All the Flybe seasonal routes back too, albeit with a reduced STN frequency.

[cornishsimon]

Shame that they haven't added a Wednesday to DUS as they did a few years ago when operated by LH metal.

Suspect more to come from flybe when the full summer17 schedule is released


cs

[compton3bravo]

Don't you mean summer 2018 Cornishman. Ooh Ah me lads!

[Heathrow Harry]

Cornwall is always at least a year (if not a Century) behind the rest of the UK..................

Taxi!!!

[Harry Wayfarers]

Cornwall is always at least a year (if not a Century) behind the rest of the UK..................

Taxi!!!

They're so far behind yet they still manage to take all the emmetts for their year's savings in only a two week period each year!

[cornishsimon]

Thanks boys. Clearly I meant summer18. Were all allowed a typo every so often


cs

[cornishsimon]

So anyone aware of any other changes, new routes, increases or decreases etc for 2018?

Also anyone got any information about the runours of Royal Mail flights ?


cs

[virginblue]

Just read that Eurowings will begin seasonal flights to/from Stuttgart in 2018.

[yeo valley]

Just read that Eurowings will begin seasonal flights to/from Stuttgart in 2018.

Is that with keeping the dus rotation as well. Its a strange one as for some reason the germans love cornwall. Perhaps we can put it down to the amount of tv programes made in cornwall and shown around Europe.
Well done to Newquay for picking up this route.

[virginblue]

Yes, DUS will return. The DUS flight (EW9346/7) will be on the ground at NQY on saturdays 1040-1115, the STR flight (EW2798/9) 1125-1155.

[cornishsimon]

I'm actually surprised that it's taken this long for a second German route

STR is a good addition to NQY

I'm equally surprised that flybe hasn't added German routes ex NQY

[Jersey32D]

Both showing in the booking engine as an A319. Good to see Newquay picking up additional capacity to Germany. Flights bookable into October. Is this an extension of the current season?

[cornishsimon]

I wonder when and who will step up with FRA

[Wycombe]

Whoever does will of course be in competition with the Harps from Hahn....assuming that route is to return?

In fact, will be interesting to see if RYR keep the faith with NQY next year?

[Rubber Duck]

FR is already on sale to HHN, ALC, FAO for S18

[cornishsimon]

August 17 stats make good reading.

Stand out routes:
Manchester - 10,057 +36%
Birmingham - 4,670 +13%
London is fairly similar to last August with 15,000 on gatters plus 3500 for STN

Looking positive for 2018, one new route so far with all current routes returning

[virginblue]

The regions around DUS and STR are, from my observation, traditionally the German regions that have the strongest tourist links with the British Isles, whether it is the Channel Islands, Scotland or now Cornwall. The catchment are of Frankfurt for outbound leisure flights really is not that breathtaking, compared to DUS and STR.