Plane goes off runway at Ottawa airport

[Glonass]

Plane goes off runway at Ottawa airport - Ottawa - CBC News (http://bit.ly/o0IYzQ)

A plane has gone off the runway at the Ottawa airport. The 44 passengers are safe and on a city bus, the Ottawa fire department tweeted.
The plane, an Embraer 145, was a United Express flight from Chicago.
Fire crews are controlling a fuel leak, and hazardous material crews have been dispatched.
The crew reported damage to the undercarriage.


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CYOW 042025Z 17005KT 15SM SCT040 BKN064 BKN240 22/ RMK SC3SC2CI1
CYOW 042000Z 30005KT 15SM -SHRA BKN038 OVC120 22/21 A2968 RERA RMK SC6AC2 TCU ASOCTD SLP049
CYOW 041945Z 30012G18KT 15SM -SHRA OVC030 21/ RERA RMK SC8 CVCTV CLD EMBD
CYOW 041935Z 27013G25KT 1 1/2SM +SHRA OVC030TCU 22/ RMK TCU8
CYOW 041927Z 30010KT 1/2SM +SHRA OVC030TCU 23/ RMK TCU8
CYOW 041900Z 25009KT 15SM BKN044 OVC120 26/19 A2970 RMK CU6AC2 SLP055

[JanetFlight]

Less than a week 4 runway excursions...Gulf and THY at India, Mahan at Iran and now this at Canada...Not a famous week for landings..:uhoh:

[Jetsetter767]

Just walked across the street and looked.......Embraer 145 sitting about 1000 feet from the end of Runway 32 off the west side in the grass.....appears partial main gear collapsed. Plane is sitting on a heading of about 270 degrees and just slightly off the runway.

[opale4]

Just walked across the street and looked.......Embraer 145 sitting about 1000 feet from the end of Runway 32 off the west side in the grass.....appears partial main gear collapsed. Plane is sitting on a heading of about 270 degrees and just slightly off the runway.


So, you're saying it went off the side of 32 with around 1000' remaining?

[JammedStab]

Someone else posted this on another forum...

AVCANADA • View topic - United Express (opr by Trans States) runway overrun in YOW (http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?f=118&t=76277#p715835)



"That is runway excursion #3 for Trans States Airlines at YOW.

#1) Landed long and fast halfway down the runway 25 in rain.

http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/collection_2 ... 04-31E.pdf (http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/collection_2009/bst-tsb/TU3-5-04-31E.pdf)

#2) June 2010-report not out yet. Overran runway 07 in rain.

Accident: Trans States E145 at Ottawa on Jun 16th 2010, runway overrun (http://avherald.com/h?article=42d059bc)

#3) Runway 32 excursion while landing in a heavy rain condition with nearby thunderstorm.

Believe it or not their callsign to ATC is waterski? It is."

[CanadianBacon]

CTVNews.ca Photo Gallery -- Plane slides off Ottawa runway (http://ottawa.ctv.ca/gallery/html/OTT_PLANE_GALLERY_110904/photo_6.html)

It would appear to be N847HK, the same aircraft involved in the June 2010 incident.

[EEngr]

Believe it or not their callsign to ATC is waterski? It is.Is a change to bellyflop in order?;)

[jrmyl]

Just curious, but does Trans States have the policy of not using TR's on landing? I have been on several E-145 United Express flights that did not use the TR's on landing. Only heavy braking. If that is the case, could be a contributing factor. Interested to hear from any TSA guys.

[DouglasFlyer]

To my knowledge thrust reversers are an option on the E-145

[69flight]

DouglasFlyer is correct:
Reversers on the 145 are optional.
Looking at the pics it´s pretty obvious that these engines do not have reversers installed.

[VFD]

.......Embraer 145 sitting about 1000 feet from the end of Runway 32 off the west side in the grass.....appears partial main gear collapsed
32 is a 200 x 10,000 foot runway, sitting a 1,000ft from the end would likely indicate a long landing maybe carrying a little extra speed for crosswind. That is a lot of runway left behind them.

VFD

[Jetsetter767]

Yes...thats right....off the side (west of runway 32) with about 1000-1500 I estimate to the end of the runway. FYI Runway 32 10005 feet long

[Jetsetter767]

Actually second incident for "waterski" (United Express) as you say in 2 years....another runway incursion for these guys in Ottawa...they went off runway 07 less than 2 years ago with similar weather conditions.

[69rooster]

YOW is one of the worst airports in CAnada. Considering it is our Nation's Capital really makes it a huge joke. All the runways are slippery when wet. ATC always seems to have aircraft use the shorter 07/25 piece of pavement. Heck, RWY 25 is a Back Course! No centerline lights at all. Only two ILSs.

Nice new fancy terminal though! Forget about getting planes down safely.

As for Take off, well ATC wants planes to use the shortest piece of pavement too! We all know rejects are rare, who care if you are blasting off of 07/25 and suck up some birds. Let's give the pax a ride in the tullies.


Nation's Capital has a joke for an airport.

[Hotel Tango]

I wouldn't call it a runway incursion! Nor does it appear to be an overrun. Gear failure on or after touchdown maybe?

[IGh]

Observation, regarding taxonomy, just above:
"... I wouldn't call it ... an overrun...."

The current definition of "USOS" seems open to misuse, since the press' has historically used the term "overshoot" in various contexts. Sometimes such cases are both, from the Common Taxonomy:

RUNWAY EXCURSION (RE)
A veer off or overrun off the runway surface.
Usage Notes: • Only applicable during either the takeoff or landing phase
• The excursion may be intentional or unintentional. For example, the deliberate veer off to avoid a collision, brought about by a Runway Incursion. In this case, code both categories.
• Use RE in all cases where the a/c left the runway regardless of whether the excursion was the consequence of another event or not.
UNDERSHOOT/OVERSHOOT (USOS)
A touchdown off the runway surface.
Usage Notes: • An undershoot/overshoot of the runway occurs in close proximity to the runway and also includes offside touchdowns and any occurrence where the landing gear touches off the runway surface.
• Off-airport emergency landings are excluded from this category.
• To be used for occurrences during the landing phase.

[Squawk7777]

Actually second incident for "waterski" (United Express) as you say in 2 years....another runway incursion for these guys in Ottawa...they went off runway 07 less than 2 years ago with similar weather conditions.

This actually makes it a total of 3 runway overruns @ YOW. All of them were non-TR equipped.

[pattern_is_full]

Anyone have any theories as to why runway Excursions have become the preferred flavor of commercial accident/incident? Not just the most recent four, but going all the way back to the 738 in Kingston (or, rest their souls, Mangalore)?

Weather seems to be a common factor - but weather has been around longer than flying. What has changed that we are suddenly having some - difficulty - stopping on the hard stuff?

[safetypee]

Some ideas here:- http://www.pprune.org/6679124-post23.html and a quote from that report;-
“… incidents involving slippery runways occur because the involved parties do not realize that the existing rules and regulations are based on a simplification of the actual physical conditions. The measured/estimated friction values are used as scientific truths and not compared to other meteorological conditions (safety indicators)”.

Also, note that EASA has recommended investigations as to why a before-landing performance checks might not be done.

Then there are the regulars:-
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6109264/Study.pdf
NLR-ATSI: Studies on runway excursions (http://www.nlr-atsi.nl/smartsite.dws?ch=ATS&id=14564)
Managing Threats and Errors during Approach and Landing (http://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/content/bookDetails.php?bookId=874)

[Squawk7777]

Anyone have any theories as to why runway Excursions have become the preferred flavor of commercial accident/incident? Not just the most recent four, but going all the way back to the 738 in Kingston (or, rest their souls, Mangalore)?

Weather seems to be a common factor - but weather has been around longer than flying. What has changed that we are suddenly having some - difficulty - stopping on the hard stuff?

The investigation of the first overrun of N847HK (last year) is still pending, but a failure of the BCU is being suspected. There has been a similar incident in STR with Flybe in Jan 2009, which also points to the BCU not having worked properly. I don't think the German BFU has released a final report on the STR overrun.

[grizzled]

pattern is full and safetypee...

Due to the increased number of events, the Airports Council International has done some interesting work/research on runway excursions. Some information can be found on their website: Airports Council International (http://www.aci.aero/cda/aci_common/display/main/aci_content07_banners.jsp?zn=aci&cp=1-4612-4616^37295_725_2)__

grizz

[Hotel Tango]

This one is N840HK. I still fail to comprehend why everyone is jumping on the runway overrun bandwagon when this particular incident was clearly NOT an overrun but an excursion.

[JammedStab]

This one is N840HK. I still fail to comprehend why everyone is jumping on the runway overrun bandwagon when this particular incident was clearly NOT an overrun but an excursion.
Excursion would be accurate. Apparantly a thunderstorm at the time with winds gusting over 20 knots from a crosswind direction.

[Squawk7777]

This one is N840HK. I still fail to comprehend why everyone is jumping on the runway overrun bandwagon when this particular incident was clearly NOT an overrun but an excursion.

I am confused now which one it is. One article says 840, the pictures on this website (http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110904/OTT_plane_runway_110904/20110904/?hub=OttawaHome) show a XX7HK.

:confused:

[zeoden]

The picture with the "7HK" clearly shows the tail in the air with firemen on a ladder. The one before shows the aiplane with the tail on the ground. The gear collapsed. They reused old photos from the previous incident. Unless the firemen jacked the airplane up so they could use a ladder to get into it. Not likely.:ooh:

[Hotel Tango]

These are pictures of two seperate incidents at YOW. The clue is in the 3rd picture (of N847HK) which is minus the front u/c whereas the latest incident (N840HK) is still with nosewheel attached.

Edit: Beaten to it by Zeoden.

[punkalouver]

Apparently after the previous two incidents, the company is restricted to only using the long runway 14-32. Therefore not allowed to use 07-25. Unfortunately when the heavy rain came, the wind peaked at 2713G25

[Dream Land]

This actually makes it a total of 3 runway overruns @ YOW. All of them were non-TR equipped. T/R's don't assist pilots in these conditions, only make the situation more complicated and in some instances, reduce your options.

Cheers, D.L.