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Plane goes off runway at Ottawa airport
Plane goes off runway at Ottawa airport - Ottawa - CBC News
A plane has gone off the runway at the Ottawa airport. The 44 passengers are safe and on a city bus, the Ottawa fire department tweeted.
The plane, an Embraer 145, was a United Express flight from Chicago.
Fire crews are controlling a fuel leak, and hazardous material crews have been dispatched.
The crew reported damage to the undercarriage.
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CYOW 042000Z 30005KT 15SM -SHRA BKN038 OVC120 22/21 A2968 RERA RMK SC6AC2 TCU ASOCTD SLP049
CYOW 041945Z 30012G18KT 15SM -SHRA OVC030 21/ RERA RMK SC8 CVCTV CLD EMBD
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A plane has gone off the runway at the Ottawa airport. The 44 passengers are safe and on a city bus, the Ottawa fire department tweeted.
The plane, an Embraer 145, was a United Express flight from Chicago.
Fire crews are controlling a fuel leak, and hazardous material crews have been dispatched.
The crew reported damage to the undercarriage.
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CYOW 042025Z 17005KT 15SM SCT040 BKN064 BKN240 22/ RMK SC3SC2CI1
CYOW 042000Z 30005KT 15SM -SHRA BKN038 OVC120 22/21 A2968 RERA RMK SC6AC2 TCU ASOCTD SLP049
CYOW 041945Z 30012G18KT 15SM -SHRA OVC030 21/ RERA RMK SC8 CVCTV CLD EMBD
CYOW 041935Z 27013G25KT 1 1/2SM +SHRA OVC030TCU 22/ RMK TCU8
CYOW 041927Z 30010KT 1/2SM +SHRA OVC030TCU 23/ RMK TCU8
CYOW 041900Z 25009KT 15SM BKN044 OVC120 26/19 A2970 RMK CU6AC2 SLP055
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Just walked across the street and looked.......Embraer 145 sitting about 1000 feet from the end of Runway 32 off the west side in the grass.....appears partial main gear collapsed. Plane is sitting on a heading of about 270 degrees and just slightly off the runway.
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Just walked across the street and looked.......Embraer 145 sitting about 1000 feet from the end of Runway 32 off the west side in the grass.....appears partial main gear collapsed. Plane is sitting on a heading of about 270 degrees and just slightly off the runway.
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Someone else posted this on another forum...
AVCANADA • View topic - United Express (opr by Trans States) runway overrun in YOW
"That is runway excursion #3 for Trans States Airlines at YOW.
#1) Landed long and fast halfway down the runway 25 in rain.
http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/collection_2 ... 04-31E.pdf
#2) June 2010-report not out yet. Overran runway 07 in rain.
Accident: Trans States E145 at Ottawa on Jun 16th 2010, runway overrun
#3) Runway 32 excursion while landing in a heavy rain condition with nearby thunderstorm.
Believe it or not their callsign to ATC is waterski? It is."
AVCANADA • View topic - United Express (opr by Trans States) runway overrun in YOW
"That is runway excursion #3 for Trans States Airlines at YOW.
#1) Landed long and fast halfway down the runway 25 in rain.
http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/collection_2 ... 04-31E.pdf
#2) June 2010-report not out yet. Overran runway 07 in rain.
Accident: Trans States E145 at Ottawa on Jun 16th 2010, runway overrun
#3) Runway 32 excursion while landing in a heavy rain condition with nearby thunderstorm.
Believe it or not their callsign to ATC is waterski? It is."
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CTVNews.ca Photo Gallery -- Plane slides off Ottawa runway
It would appear to be N847HK, the same aircraft involved in the June 2010 incident.
It would appear to be N847HK, the same aircraft involved in the June 2010 incident.
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Just curious, but does Trans States have the policy of not using TR's on landing? I have been on several E-145 United Express flights that did not use the TR's on landing. Only heavy braking. If that is the case, could be a contributing factor. Interested to hear from any TSA guys.
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No Reverser installed
DouglasFlyer is correct:
Reversers on the 145 are optional.
Looking at the pics it΄s pretty obvious that these engines do not have reversers installed.
Reversers on the 145 are optional.
Looking at the pics it΄s pretty obvious that these engines do not have reversers installed.
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.......Embraer 145 sitting about 1000 feet from the end of Runway 32 off the west side in the grass.....appears partial main gear collapsed
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Actually second incident for "waterski" (United Express) as you say in 2 years....another runway incursion for these guys in Ottawa...they went off runway 07 less than 2 years ago with similar weather conditions.
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YOW is one of the worst airports in CAnada. Considering it is our Nation's Capital really makes it a huge joke. All the runways are slippery when wet. ATC always seems to have aircraft use the shorter 07/25 piece of pavement. Heck, RWY 25 is a Back Course! No centerline lights at all. Only two ILSs.
Nice new fancy terminal though! Forget about getting planes down safely.
As for Take off, well ATC wants planes to use the shortest piece of pavement too! We all know rejects are rare, who care if you are blasting off of 07/25 and suck up some birds. Let's give the pax a ride in the tullies.
Nation's Capital has a joke for an airport.
Nice new fancy terminal though! Forget about getting planes down safely.
As for Take off, well ATC wants planes to use the shortest piece of pavement too! We all know rejects are rare, who care if you are blasting off of 07/25 and suck up some birds. Let's give the pax a ride in the tullies.
Nation's Capital has a joke for an airport.
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Taxonomy: RE and sometimes USOS
Observation, regarding taxonomy, just above:
"... I wouldn't call it ... an overrun...."
The current definition of "USOS" seems open to misuse, since the press' has historically used the term "overshoot" in various contexts. Sometimes such cases are both, from the Common Taxonomy:
RUNWAY EXCURSION (RE)
A veer off or overrun off the runway surface.
Usage Notes:
A touchdown off the runway surface.
Usage Notes:
"... I wouldn't call it ... an overrun...."
The current definition of "USOS" seems open to misuse, since the press' has historically used the term "overshoot" in various contexts. Sometimes such cases are both, from the Common Taxonomy:
RUNWAY EXCURSION (RE)
A veer off or overrun off the runway surface.
Usage Notes:
Only applicable during either the takeoff or landing phase
The excursion may be intentional or unintentional. For example, the deliberate veer off to avoid a collision, brought about by a Runway Incursion. In this case, code both categories.
Use RE in all cases where the a/c left the runway regardless of whether the excursion was the consequence of another event or not.
UNDERSHOOT/OVERSHOOT (USOS) The excursion may be intentional or unintentional. For example, the deliberate veer off to avoid a collision, brought about by a Runway Incursion. In this case, code both categories.
Use RE in all cases where the a/c left the runway regardless of whether the excursion was the consequence of another event or not.
A touchdown off the runway surface.
Usage Notes:
An undershoot/overshoot of the runway occurs in close proximity to the runway and also includes offside touchdowns and any occurrence where the landing gear touches off the runway surface.
Off-airport emergency landings are excluded from this category.
To be used for occurrences during the landing phase.
Off-airport emergency landings are excluded from this category.
To be used for occurrences during the landing phase.
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Actually second incident for "waterski" (United Express) as you say in 2 years....another runway incursion for these guys in Ottawa...they went off runway 07 less than 2 years ago with similar weather conditions.
Anyone have any theories as to why runway Excursions have become the preferred flavor of commercial accident/incident? Not just the most recent four, but going all the way back to the 738 in Kingston (or, rest their souls, Mangalore)?
Weather seems to be a common factor - but weather has been around longer than flying. What has changed that we are suddenly having some - difficulty - stopping on the hard stuff?
Weather seems to be a common factor - but weather has been around longer than flying. What has changed that we are suddenly having some - difficulty - stopping on the hard stuff?
What has changed that we are suddenly having some - difficulty - stopping
Some ideas here:- http://www.pprune.org/6679124-post23.html and a quote from that report;-
incidents involving slippery runways occur because the involved parties do not realize that the existing rules and regulations are based on a simplification of the actual physical conditions. The measured/estimated friction values are used as scientific truths and not compared to other meteorological conditions (safety indicators).
Also, note that EASA has recommended investigations as to why a before-landing performance checks might not be done.
Then there are the regulars:-
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6109264/Study.pdf
NLR-ATSI: Studies on runway excursions
Managing Threats and Errors during Approach and Landing
incidents involving slippery runways occur because the involved parties do not realize that the existing rules and regulations are based on a simplification of the actual physical conditions. The measured/estimated friction values are used as scientific truths and not compared to other meteorological conditions (safety indicators).
Also, note that EASA has recommended investigations as to why a before-landing performance checks might not be done.
Then there are the regulars:-
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6109264/Study.pdf
NLR-ATSI: Studies on runway excursions
Managing Threats and Errors during Approach and Landing
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EMB 145 only
Anyone have any theories as to why runway Excursions have become the preferred flavor of commercial accident/incident? Not just the most recent four, but going all the way back to the 738 in Kingston (or, rest their souls, Mangalore)?
Weather seems to be a common factor - but weather has been around longer than flying. What has changed that we are suddenly having some - difficulty - stopping on the hard stuff?
Weather seems to be a common factor - but weather has been around longer than flying. What has changed that we are suddenly having some - difficulty - stopping on the hard stuff?