View Full Version : who was the first pilot to say: we can't go down and slow down!

28th Mar 2011, 01:52
this question simply must be answered in order to have a complete understanding of modern aviation!


28th Mar 2011, 03:37
Never said that because I was moving that lever back way over on the right side of the console and retarding the throttles at the same time. Too busy to say I couldn't do it so just went down and slowed down at the same time. I wonder what airlines said that? I can guess. U and A? I guess that is how you get the reputation as a sky Nazi.

Green Guard
28th Mar 2011, 07:45
If you are far away you can do anything

If you are close, you must FIRST slow down,
( in order to "dirty" your 'craft), and then GO down

It is like before driving down the road of 10 % or more...
If you do not slow down first, and change the gear
you may well become airborne

"you can't eat the cake and have it in the same time ..."

28th Mar 2011, 15:48
Most likely a DC-8 captain, the DC-8 did not have speed brakes or spoilers.

Course they could lower the main gear and reverse 2 % 3 in flight. That helped.

There were times when I have said that, well at least somebody in the cockpit has informed ATC of that inconvenient fact.

28th Mar 2011, 16:20
Actually I believe it was 'Pierre zee famouse French Fighter Pilot" who would only go down in flames.

28th Mar 2011, 16:29
You could deploy the inboard reversers in flight on the DC 8 IIRC?
That would slow you down a bit.
Oh! You said that already!!! Sorreee!!!

28th Mar 2011, 16:30
who was the first pilot to say: we can't go down and slow down!

Actually, I did, because I NEVER let ATC fly MY airplane !!:)

28th Mar 2011, 16:33
Pierre would only have gone down in flames after setting his moustache alight with brandy and saying those immortal words " When Pierre goes down...he goes down in flames" to a lovely young French girl !!

28th Mar 2011, 23:16
Whichever Wright brother made the first flight.

29th Mar 2011, 04:21
I do not know who was the first but I may have been the most recent having to tell Mumbia this last night.

I prefer the way it is done in New York; decend and then maintain xxx kts.

29th Mar 2011, 07:42
The first 757 pilot .... ding, ding, ding...we have a winner! :ooh:

29th Mar 2011, 09:26
Dha more you go down faster, dha less you slow down qwicker.
PS. for Pierre, it's not brandy, its cognac.

29th Mar 2011, 13:07
Of course you can go down and slow down... you just do neither very quickly!

6th Apr 2011, 04:29
Good post, sevenstrokeroll. I'm enjoying this....

Fly safe,


6th Apr 2011, 05:56
May be it was the old and bold QF pilot flying his brand new B707 into Sydney who, when held up by ATC with a requirement to maintain speed and then finally cleared to descend way too close the field, reportedly said:

"You can't be serious! What do you think we're in - an elevator!" :ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

Stay Alive,

6th Apr 2011, 14:54
I also heard this once:

- "Either give us a descent clearance or start lifting the airport."

7th Apr 2011, 03:19

glad you understand the purpose of the post! ;-)

I had never heard of piere the french fighter pilot before...that's a good one.

Shaggy Sheep Driver
7th Apr 2011, 14:33
ATC: "What do you mean, you can't descend that quickly? You have spoilers, don't you?"

Captain Speaking: "Indeed I do. But they are for my mistakes, not yours". :)

Green Guard
8th Apr 2011, 06:05
I had never heard of piere the french fighter pilot

I am not sure. Can somebody please confirm if it was this one ?

Pierre Clostermann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Clostermann)

Obituary: Pierre Clostermann | World news | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2006/mar/28/guardianobituaries.secondworldwar)

11th Apr 2011, 19:09
As a response once to ATC asking if they were ok for height and speed the captain responded in a very broad Yorkshire accent: "We've got an abundance of both..............." :O

12th Apr 2011, 01:11
For sure was not an 727 Captain! :}

12th Apr 2011, 01:42
Green Guard - it is humor.

It is not about Pierre Clostermann.