Easyjet New Ab-initio scheme :)

[howflytrg]

Just read an interesting CHIRP article that describes one captains view of the way in which airlines absolve all responsibility for recruitment, and the practices these agencies alligned with schools use. No leave.......ever? Until you possibly find a full time position. When might that be? When the barrel of oil is less than 100 dollars? Report fatigued, which you have the responsibility to do under your licence and medical, and loose out on a full time position? For what? To make more money (potentially) than a BA FO? :ugh:

[Boe787ing]

sooo,
has anyone actually applied yet for this 2nd batch?

[GolfTangoGolf]

I thought I would give it a go! Anyone else?

[Boe787ing]

yeah me too, going to send it off in the next couple of hours. keep me up to date about your progress private message or on the thread, best of luck!"

[Rastablasta]

Yeah I applied :)

Anyone know what the conditions for Easyjet are if you were to get through? As in, pay during line training, contract etc..?

[Boe787ing]

from what I have heard from them, as long as you pass all the stages, exams with appropriate level that are prescribed by easyjet then you should be able to get the remuneration package of just over £37000. BUT and this is what seems to be always the uncertainty,

You are at no point guaranteed a job earning you this amount...but if I was to get through the tough selection that lays ahead I would be to query everything about the remuneration package to make sure I don't get screwed up.

Another factor I was worried about but is now made clear by a person at Oxford is regarding the MPL program, its not a traditional ATPL it is understood that if you are unable to continue to make it 1500 hours which you need to get an ATPL then oxford would let you complete rest of your training so that you can complete an ATPL with them without additional costs. So its bit of a relief that in case things don't go our way at least we can have an ATPL.

Furthermore, it is understood from a member of Oxford that this course is a steal at 85K as this includes type rating. There is another option which would allow you to complete the course for a reduced rate as low as 71K I have also found out.

[Rastablasta]

Well from reading/asking questions at Heathrow Saturday, 750 hours of flying is often a minimum from Parc aviation, with most students obtaining closer to 900 per year.

[Boe787ing]

I didnt go to heathrow, but that sounds amazing, the 900 hours.

Did they say anything about whether you would be given a choice of base or anything like that? Would it be timetabled or would it be wherever you are asked to go?

Would like to know anymore info if you have any, thanks!

[Rastablasta]

Nope the info was very basic from what I remember, there was a talk explaining the MPL, but most of the time I was stood waiting for people to ask questions easily obtainable on the OAA website!

[Boe787ing]

actually just over 71K. But yes may as well be 90K.

No, in response to your answer. Would like to know how it works where you could be operating from. Is it anywhere ? and if so how would that work in terms of living arrangements, thats really the point I was trying to get at.

So you follow? and it was not a hostile question it was whether the person who has spoken to them face to face would be able to shed some light. or perhaps yourself?

kind regards,

[Boe787ing]

thanks will look into it. £71K when you set yourself up as a limited company and then have no VAT to pay off.

[skyways1452]

Put in my application today. It looks like an OK scheme but one thing I will be grilling OAA at the first opportunity is why the employee is contracted out to Easyjet through a third party when the license is only usable while flying with Easyjet themselves, at least for the first 1,500 hours.

A lot of people will probably know the ££££ answer to this but it would be interesting to see how OAA react to something like that.

[BUGS/BEARINGS/BOXES]

I will be grilling OAA at the first opportunity is why the employee is contracted out to Easyjet through a third party when the license is only usable while flying with Easyjet themselves, at least for the first 1,500 hours.

Well firstly to lower EZYs recruitment overheads and wage bill. And secondly search for EASA FCL or Flight crew licensing. You are an apprentice effectively until 1500 hours when you can give the CAA even more money to obtain an ATPL. It's another route to the same goal. You have to undertake an MPL with an OPS1 operator or in lamens terms, an airline.

[bangout]

So, two offers on the table:

1.) Cathay Cadet Scheme
2.) EZY Scheme

Which one would you take?

[BUGS/BEARINGS/BOXES]

The EZY scheme. At least you will get to fly! The thought of being only a paperwork and RT bitch above FL100 doesn't fill me with joy. Probably will be stuck in that position for a good few years! Serving tea would be more stimulating by far!

[Boe787ing]

i concur..."!

[katsbud]

OAA Easyjet applications closed on Nov 4th, has anyone heard if they were successful or not?

[Boe787ing]

nothing yet....

[schfandrew]

Good luck to everyone that has applied! :) Has anyone got an e-mail back yet? Read on their website "all applicants will be notified before 6pm on 9th November"? :uhoh:

[hidinginthesun]

It's passed 6pm and its the 9th of November. On the OAA website it say's that all applicants would be advised by this time wether or not they were successful in progressing to stage 2. Is it safe to assume anyone who has not heard by now was not successful? has anyone heard from OAA to let them know they made it to stage 2?

[Rastablasta]

Well according to the OAA website/email, it clearly states that you will be notified whether you have been successful or unsuccessful.

[Scott Duch]

Being a applicant for the Aer Lingus cadet scheme, you pay £21,400 for a fATPL, TR and a place in the RHS (subject to crewing requirements, which is the best deal you're going to get in terms of placement with an airline after you've completed training.

For £84k and getting an MPL with much risk being attached to it, I'm not a fan.

[schfandrew]

no news yet! :ugh:

[Rastablasta]

Nothing so far, anyone have any info to share? Have they pushed the time/date back to accomodate like they did with the applications...

[Ginger Ninja]

Anyone heard anything back yet? :ugh:

[schfandrew]

nothing yet, surprised OAA haven't made a note on their website if it's a delay or something similar...too many applications and not enough time perhaps?! :suspect:

[GolfTangoGolf]

Heard nothing yet. Hopefully soon!

[kingofkabul]

I have been sent an email with the outcome of my application for this scheme. Anyone else? The dates for selection centres remain unchanged.

[Boe787ing]

just received a rejection letter....life goes on

[schfandrew]

Just now got the reply! A day late...! :eek:

[schfandrew]

did they specify a reason? :(

[patrik.norrbin]

Hi all!

I just received an e-mail notifying me that I have advanced to the next step in the recruitment process for easyJet MPL training to start on April 4th 2012. The next stage in the recruitment process would be tests in the UK at a cost of 199£.

Does anyone out there know just how many applicants are invited to this step in the process (the first test after the initial screening)?

[schfandrew]

I imagine quite a few since it's set over a few days. What day are you attending stage 2 assessment? :)

[patrik.norrbin]

I´ll be there on 23.11. I´ve been told to be there at 2.30 at the latest and to anticipate to be there for 5,5 hours. Will you also be taking the test?

Any information on how many people per day OAA can test in their facilities? Or on how many that applied for the easyJet MPL programme?

[Boe787ing]

they pretty much had a standard rejection letter, which went on the lines of...
thanks for taking your time.....
as you aware interest in the scheme far exceeded all expectations
although you didnt succeed here we invite you to discuss training with us for one of our fATPL programs....
loo forward to seeing you at OAA soon dont hesitate to contact us for any question...
blah blah


airlines career assessment team

[schfandrew]

sorry to hear that :confused: hope you keep on trying with other sponsorship! Keep the dream alive!! :)

[schfandrew]

Not too sure on the number that have applied but would estimate more than 300 at least. If the majority of those applicants have £85,000+ to hand is another question... :suspect:

They have me booked in for the day after on the 24th :eek: Best of luck with your assessment when you go! :ok:

[GolfTangoGolf]

Bad Luck Boe787ing. Keep going, keep trying. Dedication and perseverance!

I've been lucky - through to the second stage. The hard work starts now!

I'd be keen to know how many people have made it through to the second stage - will OAA be cashing in on as many applicants as possible?

[nhalliwell921]

Is there anyone who is still waiting to hear? I applied before the deadline but still haven't heard either way. And to those that have had a reply was it via email?

[schfandrew]

nhalliwell921 I would imagine you should have received a result via e-mail by now. I would call OAA and let them know you have not been notified :ugh:

[D-Pilot91]

Hello guys and girls

I have also been successful in passing to stage 2 of the selection process and I was invited in for the skills assessment and all that follows on the 21/11 no later than 8 am. Unsurprisingly I also got very excited and happy but all the excitement and motivation has gone until I read earlier posts in this thread....I really suggest all those who passed stage 1 go back and read some of the posts written by those already in the industry particularly posts by HundredPercentPlease. I understand he is already a pilot with easyJet (EZY) and he really seems to know what he is talking about. I am very reluctant now I don't know if I should attend stage 2 or just go to FTE Jerez as s self-sponsored pilot and get a decent frozen ATPL where I am not tied to any employer. It is also pointed out that you will fly 'with' EZY and NOT 'for' easyJet. So you will simply be a self-employed flexicrew pilot where you are not protected by the employee union as a normal contracted EZY pilot because you are 'self-employed'. I know some of you are thinking you will join EZY and after a few months of work try to apply to bigger airlines such as BA. This was my intention as well.....however it is impossible because the lousy MPL license you are getting is based on easyJet SOSP (Standard Operating System Procedures) and is therefore only valid within easyJet. Apparently there are currently about 500 flexicrew pilots with easyJet according to HundredPercentPlease. Not all of them are lucky to be able to get a 'real' EZY contracted pilot position as only a few are advertised.

I am not trying to ruin it for you and myself of course....I thought it would be better for us to actually know what exactly we are throwing ourselves into. I am being serious you should go back and read previous posts about this scheme and this MPL license. Do now before it's too late.

An example here on how risky the MPL actually is. I am NOT suggesting easyJet will go bankrupt but I want you to focus on the part where they explain why those MPL pilots will have difficulties in joining other companies: Downturn throws MPL pilots on scrapheap (http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/downturn-throws-mpl-pilots-on-scrapheap-310559/)

Some of you might say: 'what is he going on about?? I don't mind staying with easyJet for years they are really good, you don't care if what they offer to customers flying with them isn't as good as what Emirates or Qatar Airways offer because at the end you are a 'pilot' in the sexy uniform with eppalautes and golden stripes'. Yes I agree, but we should be aware of what kind of pilot we will be. Someone who is forced to accept T&Cs of lower standards and benefits compared to others in the same company (EZY). Someone with random rosters and no emplyee protection. Someone who has no choice but to remain like that and probably fall into a lot of debt and the risk of your asset used to secure the loan acquired because what you are earning is less than what you contribute to as monthly repayments towards the BBVA loan.

YOU SHOULD GO BACK and read some the earlier posts and make a decision. I am still undecided now I want to discuss this with you guys who are in the same position as me now (Got invited for STAGE 2).

Looking forward for your replies. This quote below is from one of HundredPercentPlease posts. Go back and read more of it!

What frustrates me is the secondary effect of the MPL - and the whole circulatory nature of the problem.

1. The A320 is a poor place to learn to fly. The lack of dual controls make the Airbus a nasty trainer. The FO cannot follow through as the Captain does a tricky take off or landing - and likewise the Captain cannot feel and rescue a poor landing. We have already paid the price (in Lisbon) and we are chopping good guys in the base training who "cannot land". I feel sorry for them, because they may have ended up as excellent pilots, if their career path had been slightly different.

With the old route, you would do 1500 hours at one of the UKs numerous TP operators, and learn the basics. You would then have made a good Airbus pilot.

2. The more wannabes are prepared or able to pay for their first job, the more the Operators and FTOs scrabble around to take that money. Traditionally it was the FTO, now it is both. A320 TR for £35,000? Yep, that's the one you have to pay for if you want to be a contractor for eJ.

As the new FO becomes more of a profit centre than an asset, new ways are devised to up the price and reduce the cost. Upping the price is easy - "it's your only way in, son". Reducing the cost includes reducing the amount of time in expensive real aircraft. I would argue that 1500 hours is a good amount to have before you get into an Airbus. Recently we have been inundated with 250 hour pilots, and many have struggled. Safety has, without doubt, been compromised. Now with the MPL, it's 90 hours and many, including me, would say that that is too few.

[D-Pilot91]

Quote:
Ok so here are my main issues with the scheme :
1. At no point is there any mention of a guaranteed job
2. It's £85,000 + Oaa accomodation at around £20,000
3. It's not an atpl until you get your command
4. It's a secured loan on a property unless you have £105k lying around
5. The whole training is based on Easyjet sops which makes it invalid elsewhere.
6. Easyjet has just reported first quarter losses of over £100m
7. Easyjets up to now massive growth rate is slowing
8. Because you can only go to Easyjet they can choose to pay you next to nothing like ctc, and let's face it why wouldn't they!
9. With no guarantee of a job you could essentially end up with no valid license. Not even a ppl!
10. You will have zero choice on where you will work, say good bye to your family's because Madrid and Paris are always short on crew.
11. Your receive an Easyjet a320 type rating again based on their seps so is it really going to be valid? Even if your license is?
12. It isn't yet Caa approved, although they guarantee to put you through an atpl if they don't accredit it that means how many more years until your online??
13. If Easyjet really wanted the best quality guys and had guaranteed jobs they would offer full sponsorship with repayments out of salary and a legally binding agreement for 10 years employment, it feels to me like they are worried that there may not be jobs so are making it risk free for themselves, and very high risk for potential candidates
14. Who's to say that when you complete that they won't choose a ctc guy over you, after-all they have a full atpl and type rating too, so essentially better qualified and are probably going to be accepting a lower pay to get the job.

People need to remember that this is a highly successful business, and they know that any press is good press, so even if this thing fails there getting publicity out of it, and the cadets are the ones taking the financial fall with potentially devastating effects.

This might be the right course for 17 year old guy or girl, who has no ties like a spouse or children, who's parents don't need to secure a loan and can give them 100k freely with no worries.

But to me that's the way the industry used to be people with money over ability. I'm not that person, I'm 21 I have a partner that I live with and the money would have to be secured on mum and dads house... But to be honest it's more than unfair for me to ask them to put their life's work on the line for a license that may not even get me a job.

[lewis tan]

Hi,
I was invited to attend in the mourning on the 25th.
Are you certain that if you graduated and past type rating, Easyjet would then charge us for our line training?
correct me if i'm wrong, during line training, are we on a basic salary then after our LPC do we then start on the Hourly wage through parc aviation?

[MattTheBhoy]

I just got called for an interview and skills assessment for the easyJet first officer program they were running. Anyone know what this will entail and tip for the interview?

[Polorutz]

There are several programs that could be mistaken for each other. easyJet is currently recruiting direct entry FO's. There is a MPL program given by oxford and the normal CTC wings easyJet thing.

Which one are you talking about?

[schfandrew]

what day are you attending? :cool:

[D-Pilot91]

I am talking about the easyJet MPL delivered by OAA

[JamesDooley]

I've been invited to the assesment day with oaa. Is this day really worth going to or is it just oxford making £200 out of candidates and then selling their other courses to them. I rang them and the lady told me that they weren't definitely picking candidates out the group, just if you reach the standard. So what's the standard, it wouldn't make sense if I told you, she replied. So why have a closing date?

[nhalliwell921]

Finally got a response from OAA after giving them a ring, I have been offered a place on the next stage of selection on 22nd at 11am. Apparently none of their emails had been getting through to me and I wasn't the only one so if anyone hasn't had a response yet I suggest giving them a ring as well.

Quote MattTheBhoy "I just got called for an interview and skills assessment for the easyJet first officer program they were running. Anyone know what this will entail and tip for the interview?"

As I understand it the next stage is just skills assessment with interview and group exercises left until stage 3. From previous experience with similar assessments this would be PILAP computer tests as well as basic physics and maths tests (GCSE level). I would suggest looking at practice PILAP tests online and refreshing yourself with those GCSE subjects.

Quote JamesDooley "I've been invited to the assesment day with oaa. Is this day really worth going to or is it just oxford making £200 out of candidates and then selling their other courses to them. I rang them and the lady told me that they weren't definitely picking candidates out the group, just if you reach the standard. So what's the standard, it wouldn't make sense if I told you, she replied. So why have a closing date?"

This is also what i'm now trying to decided. I don't really have a spare £200 just lying around so trying to weigh up if the chance of making it through is really worth it. Is there anyone who has decided not to attend after reading this thread?

[angelorange]

Maybe more fun to spend £200 on 20 mins in an Extra 300 !

here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rizNVbU7McA&feature=related

Yes, OK its a Sukhoi but same idea.

[angelorange]

flyingeagle21: "I find it hard to believe OAA and easyJet would do you over and not offer you a job."

Really? If they need you and you meet the std then fine, but if the Euro goes downhill (56% of EZY biz is EU) can you blame them for making you redundant in 2012/13? Wake up - they are a business not a charity!

"I know a few people fresh out off Oxford on the bog standard pay your way integrated course -£85k"

2008: EZY/CTC cadets had £120k debts and were made redundant after 6 months then told not allowed to apply to Aer Lingus whilst working in bars, just in case EZY wanted them back!

"the only way to get a job now is to get a ~£30k type rating"

Rubbish! That is what the schools are selling you!

There are instructing jobs in the UK that pay £45k now because there are so few decent candidates!

Look to the future - (under 40?) you are young enough! Go and get some experience elsewhere - try abroad, but don't dig yourselves into a hole you can't walk out of!

If you want change for the better then work together! What if all new wanabees boycotted MPL/TRSS/P2F(post frozen ATPL) as a group of young pilots (maybe get GAPAN or a union involved, set up your own wanabee union, camp outside EZY Luton HQ/OAA/CTC, get a petition going on No.10 govt website, the CAA etc ), Ts&Cs really could be improved!

[GolfTangoGolf]

I've also decided against attending an assessment as I'm still not sure about the MPL. It seems like a great idea at first, however on reconsideration I don't think it's for me. Reading other comments on here shows I'm not the only one. I wonder how many they will have attending the assessment days?

[mrblueeye]

hi just left oaa after interveiw, got 37out of 42 not good enough for easyjet mpl but good enough for oaa where do i go from here?:confused:

[FANS]

mrblueeye

You can't get into EZY now, who will recruit you in 2 years' time + £100k down? RYR?

In the current climate, I take it that your question was a joke.

[ExMilRedundancy]

It's only for the MPL route that EZY states if you fail you can't apply again. You could still apply to them at the end of training via FlexiCrew etc.

[FANS]

Yes Exmil, you could gamble £100k for another go!!

Trust the FTOs, the market will be booming in 2 years time.

[Seanluxor]

From what I have been told, The contract states Guaranteed £46,000 plus overtime which put them close to £56,000 on their first year..

Plus the tax free loan payments and can claim tax return on travel (bus, train etc)

[Seanluxor]

The contract is for 2 years and guaranteed ATPL within that 2 years. Pay minimum of £46,000 upto £56,000 plus tax free repayment. You don't have to stay in OAA acomodation and the rent can be low as £350 a month.

[Seanluxor]

refuse to pay even the £200 for skills? good comitment... just go modular if ur trying to save even £200

[Seanluxor]

From what I know:

Easyjet A320 type rating included was £81-£86,000
Does not have to be OAA accomodation (so cheaper)
Contracted for 2 years and guarantee of ATPL within the 2 years
Starting salary of £46,000 plus over time adding upto £56,000.
Tax free loan payment.
Whole training done in UK.

[BUGS/BEARINGS/BOXES]

I think those on here who seem to be motivated primarily by money should reconsider your career options. If you don't have a love of flying as your FIRST motivating driver, you will be very unhappy. Not only during your training, but whilst on-line. I've seen it toooooooo many times. If working in a profession with all it entails comes second to the money comparisons, look elsewhere.

Yes you should be remunerated for doing a professional job, discharged in a professional way. However you will struggle to do this when all the crew room, flight deck, and FTO banter is driven by money worries and comparisons to your peers. Get yourself in the door and do your time, then start worrying about the money. Or become a ****** banker. Both leave you feeing knackered, worn out and close to alcohol dependency. One will pay a hell of a lot more and you can spend Xmas with the kids. The other is the most thrilling profession(in my opinion) out there that enables you to meet and work with some fantastic people. Both options will treat you like dirt to get their 'pound of flesh'. You DO need to be able to put up with a lot of Cr3p in both, but one has a far better LONG term proposition.

It ain't the 60s or 80s anymore. The world is driven by money grabbers, that includes airlines and Flight schools. Most have lost any family feel or soul they used to have. Some airlines will treat you with a modicum of respect. Others will not.

[howflytrg]

I understand that no one from easyjet was there at the final interview stage. Shows how little of a damn they give I suppose. 2 BA pilots interviewing for OAA instead I heard?? Well in reality it is a parc scheme. Ie you pay a hell of a lot to be a parc contractor for EZY. My goodness.

[Xsr8]

Couldn't agree with BUGS/BEARINGS/BOXES more regarding people joining the industry for the money. Ironically these same people are the first to consider easy (for example) as a stepping stone and run off to a legacy carrier at the first chance. Only to be based at one of two awful London airports and paying twice as much in living costs/rent/mortgage. Despite being motivated by cash, their math seems to fall down when BA start recruiting.

But I digress...