Easyjet New Ab-initio scheme :)
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Easyjet New Ab-initio scheme :)
On today's Flight Global website, brief details of a new MPL scheme due open for apps April 2011 to start Aug and then be on-going with quarterly intakes throughout 2012.
Few years since I got the dream call myself now but I still got a buzz from thinking that the opportunities are going to start reappearing and people will be getting that call again
Best of luck all!
EasyJet teams up with Oxford Aviation Academy for MPL training
Few years since I got the dream call myself now but I still got a buzz from thinking that the opportunities are going to start reappearing and people will be getting that call again
Best of luck all!
EasyJet teams up with Oxford Aviation Academy for MPL training
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Sounds fantastic. I look forward to seeing the details! I wonder if these pilots will have to be employed directly by easyjet as it is an MPL course, and not via flexi-screw/PARC
Good luck to all who've been waiting for opportunities such as this to arise!
Good luck to all who've been waiting for opportunities such as this to arise!
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This is really good news - the fact that any airline is starting to take FlyBe's lead in sponsored schemes must be a sign that the industry is picking up and is expected to continue to do so.
All we need now is for BA to do the same and the flood-gates will really open.
All we need now is for BA to do the same and the flood-gates will really open.
isn't this really bad news for the next batch of ctc wings cadets as surely, easyjet will only employ those trained under their own scheme? my course will finish in 2013 around the time when these first groups from the oaa-easyjet scheme graduate.
should i be worried?
should i be worried?
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It will be very very hard to get in! Oh yeeaah!
I just hope one thing: that there will be place for other young pilot who did/do/will do a modular course not in 'top school' like OAA.
I say this because I just think I'm not a very intelligent boy, I'm not studying physic or other subject like that... I will graduate next school from a technical high school (accountancy, finance, insurance, informatic, programming language); so I don't think I will be recruited even for the APPFO program as I wouldn't pass the first selection test where many questions about chemistry and physic are asked. All subjects which I studied just for one year three years ago...
After all, the only things needed to know to fly a plane professionally and properly are the ones explained in flight training and ground school. All other stuff is something which is 'nice-to-know'.
I will go in the USA, do the traditional route, and do any kind of job flying anywhere in the world trying to avoid to pay to fly or pay a TR without a job guarantee, but I will still hope to become an airline pilot a day.
Anyway, good luck for whom will try - I'll do it, too.
I just hope one thing: that there will be place for other young pilot who did/do/will do a modular course not in 'top school' like OAA.
I say this because I just think I'm not a very intelligent boy, I'm not studying physic or other subject like that... I will graduate next school from a technical high school (accountancy, finance, insurance, informatic, programming language); so I don't think I will be recruited even for the APPFO program as I wouldn't pass the first selection test where many questions about chemistry and physic are asked. All subjects which I studied just for one year three years ago...
After all, the only things needed to know to fly a plane professionally and properly are the ones explained in flight training and ground school. All other stuff is something which is 'nice-to-know'.
I will go in the USA, do the traditional route, and do any kind of job flying anywhere in the world trying to avoid to pay to fly or pay a TR without a job guarantee, but I will still hope to become an airline pilot a day.
Anyway, good luck for whom will try - I'll do it, too.
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Some more good news: BBC News - Airline giant Virgin Atlantic creates 450 jobs - with BA and Virgin currently hiring experienced pilots the flow of openings will move downwards as people in smaller airlines leave for these positions.
@kingofkabul - BA were on the verge of rolling a scheme out about 3 years ago but the credit crunch just caught up with them. I'll be very interested to watch their moves over the next couple of years
@giggitygiggity - sorry I'm not v familar with it but doesn't CTC tag people for an airline right from the start? Either way, if the last 'upturn' is anything to go by, then I'd expect to see the larger operators taking their pick of the candidates from a selection of schools and not necessarily limiting themselves just to the one with whom they have a scheme running.
Requirements vary over time and with a roughly 18month lead time from starting an ab-initio course to line-qualified airlines will still need to fill fluctuating gaps via sources other than their own schemes.
@kingofkabul - BA were on the verge of rolling a scheme out about 3 years ago but the credit crunch just caught up with them. I'll be very interested to watch their moves over the next couple of years
@giggitygiggity - sorry I'm not v familar with it but doesn't CTC tag people for an airline right from the start? Either way, if the last 'upturn' is anything to go by, then I'd expect to see the larger operators taking their pick of the candidates from a selection of schools and not necessarily limiting themselves just to the one with whom they have a scheme running.
Requirements vary over time and with a roughly 18month lead time from starting an ab-initio course to line-qualified airlines will still need to fill fluctuating gaps via sources other than their own schemes.
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Good news indeed that things seem to be starting to move in our industry again. I do wonder what CTC will make of this announcement though! Hopefully an end to their stranglehold on easyJet recruitment.
Just a couple of notes of caution here guys.
1. I very much doubt that this new scheme will be "sponsored" in any way. It is more likely to be akin to the old "tagged" schemes where you pay for the training yourself and subject to satisfactory performance and a vacancy being available at the time of graduation you can expect a job offer. Nevertheless it is preferable to going it alone and not being tagged!
2. The problem with the MPL, as several chaps at Sterling found out if memory serves, is that should your placement with easyJet not work out (for whatever reason) you may find yourself in a difficult position with regards to finding alternative employment on an MPL. Make sure you don't put all your eggs in once basket without a back up plan.
3. It it is good that you have an airline placement waiting at the end. However, all is not well in the land of orange. Morale is genuinely appalling and the increasing use of contract staff is degrading terms and conditions, together with the collective bargaining power of the union. Expect to work very hard and give up your right to a social life pretty much indefinately due to the increasing use of "flexible rostering". I appreciate it is difficult for wannabes to worry about such things before even securing the job, but it's worth a second thought in my book. Sadly, easyJet seems hell bent on a course of confrontation with it's staff and where it will lead, no one knows.
Notwithstanding the above, the very best of luck to all those who apply. It is clearly a good opportunity to get in with a major jet operator at the start of your career..and as a stepping stone to greater things.
Just a couple of notes of caution here guys.
1. I very much doubt that this new scheme will be "sponsored" in any way. It is more likely to be akin to the old "tagged" schemes where you pay for the training yourself and subject to satisfactory performance and a vacancy being available at the time of graduation you can expect a job offer. Nevertheless it is preferable to going it alone and not being tagged!
2. The problem with the MPL, as several chaps at Sterling found out if memory serves, is that should your placement with easyJet not work out (for whatever reason) you may find yourself in a difficult position with regards to finding alternative employment on an MPL. Make sure you don't put all your eggs in once basket without a back up plan.
3. It it is good that you have an airline placement waiting at the end. However, all is not well in the land of orange. Morale is genuinely appalling and the increasing use of contract staff is degrading terms and conditions, together with the collective bargaining power of the union. Expect to work very hard and give up your right to a social life pretty much indefinately due to the increasing use of "flexible rostering". I appreciate it is difficult for wannabes to worry about such things before even securing the job, but it's worth a second thought in my book. Sadly, easyJet seems hell bent on a course of confrontation with it's staff and where it will lead, no one knows.
Notwithstanding the above, the very best of luck to all those who apply. It is clearly a good opportunity to get in with a major jet operator at the start of your career..and as a stepping stone to greater things.
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2. The problem with the MPL, as several chaps at Sterling found out if memory serves, is that should your placement with easyJet not work out (for whatever reason) you may find yourself in a difficult position with regards to finding alternative employment on an MPL. Make sure you don't put all your eggs in once basket without a back up plan.
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If this happens then you can transfer to the Fatpl scheme.
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@v2 - very interesting point you bring up there about this scheme almost certainly being unsponsored (ab-initio £, notwithstanding T/R etc), similarly to most of the old tagged schemes. The only true 'sponsorship' I remember seeing since 911 was the Bond Helicopters scheme in 2007 (roughly 75% sponsored).
However (and I appreciate most people disagree with me on this), with the current dirth of available lending it is my opinion that at least partial sponsorship will have to make a reappearance in the next few years.
I believe this because I don't see how else the airlines will be able to get both the required volume and quality of ab-initio intake which they will be seeking, come the upturn and once the existing backlog is absorbed.
Quality based primarily on who can afford the training has always been dubious to say the least and with so little funding available now I can't see how the volume of quality trainees can be provided without sponsorship in the medium term.
I think it'll take a couple of years but I think it'll happen ... even if no-one else does
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Anyway, hopefully this recent news is some light at the end of the tunnel for those trying to get in now.
However (and I appreciate most people disagree with me on this), with the current dirth of available lending it is my opinion that at least partial sponsorship will have to make a reappearance in the next few years.
I believe this because I don't see how else the airlines will be able to get both the required volume and quality of ab-initio intake which they will be seeking, come the upturn and once the existing backlog is absorbed.
Quality based primarily on who can afford the training has always been dubious to say the least and with so little funding available now I can't see how the volume of quality trainees can be provided without sponsorship in the medium term.
I think it'll take a couple of years but I think it'll happen ... even if no-one else does
.Anyway, hopefully this recent news is some light at the end of the tunnel for those trying to get in now.
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@BusinessMan - yes the lack of funding is a clear issue, but rather than partially sponsor i would imagine airlines would offer the security for the BBVA loan.
If BA do launch a similar scheme i would expect it to be this year as the b787 and a380 are only 2 years away.
OAA have stated if easyjet do not want cadets then the MPL will be converted to the CPL/IR free of charge.
If BA do launch a similar scheme i would expect it to be this year as the b787 and a380 are only 2 years away.
OAA have stated if easyjet do not want cadets then the MPL will be converted to the CPL/IR free of charge.
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I hadn't thought of that, I wonder how it'd work (securing the loan).
Either way, if they do start to do it then it will still be a huge step forward for those who cannot afford training otherwise. 2 reasons:
1 In effect it'd be a form of sponsorship, allowing selection based on suitability rather than finances
, with loan repayments to BBVA replacing the reduction in early salary.
2 As important would be the fact that by underwriting the loan the airline is shouldering the financial risk for the trainee - which is a huge change, even compared to the old 'tagged' schemes
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Those cadets who were dropped at the end of training by the airline (as numbers were in 2007ish) would not have such vast debt hanging over them alongside the prospect of no job.
- is there expected to be a big increase in capacity with BA acquiring the 78 & 380? Wouldn't they be replacement for retiring 744s? (ie not necessarily an indicator in itself of more pilots required). I'm not involved with BA though so wouldn't know.
- that's good news re OAA underwriting the conversion to CPL/IR too
All good stuff.
Either way, if they do start to do it then it will still be a huge step forward for those who cannot afford training otherwise. 2 reasons:
1 In effect it'd be a form of sponsorship, allowing selection based on suitability rather than finances
, with loan repayments to BBVA replacing the reduction in early salary.2 As important would be the fact that by underwriting the loan the airline is shouldering the financial risk for the trainee - which is a huge change, even compared to the old 'tagged' schemes
.Those cadets who were dropped at the end of training by the airline (as numbers were in 2007ish) would not have such vast debt hanging over them alongside the prospect of no job.
- is there expected to be a big increase in capacity with BA acquiring the 78 & 380? Wouldn't they be replacement for retiring 744s? (ie not necessarily an indicator in itself of more pilots required). I'm not involved with BA though so wouldn't know.
- that's good news re OAA underwriting the conversion to CPL/IR too
All good stuff.
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You are correct in saying that a380 and 787 are more for replacing 744 and 767 fleets, however whilst they are introduced there is ineffiiency in the sysyem as many pilots are involved in training and are not actually flying any aircraft, hence you need more pilots than usual to cover the transition period. There is some growth planned too.
Hopefully this is the sign of things to come, short of FlyBe there have been almost no 'tagged' schemes for about 4 years!
Hopefully this is the sign of things to come, short of FlyBe there have been almost no 'tagged' schemes for about 4 years!
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Good god, it's like watching a train crash in slow motion.
do you really think that Easy are having a hard job finding pilots ?
do you really think that Easy are having a hard job finding pilots ?
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Really ?
No, honestly; Really ?
Of course OAA like the MPL program, a fresh bunch of lunatics to throw 80,000 into a licence that is going to be worth nothing, zero, zip, zilch, nada on the open market. and will have to come back to spend more money for something that may actually be useful.
Of course Easy are going to like it, they'll have a whole fresh bunch of lunatics that will have no option but to accept whatever sh1t contract they have dangled in front of them becuse they'll have a licence worth jack sh1t and be hog tied to easy becuase they wont have any paperwork of value on the market.
It's commercial pressure being packaged and supplied to you.
If you think that OAA and Easy are doing this because "well, they're just a nice bunch of guys that soo want help people get flying and earn really good salaries off them," think again.
You know if Easy weally, weally, weally like OAA guys and girls that much, why dont they employ some of them, there's a lot of them out there looking for work ?
No, honestly; Really ?
Of course OAA like the MPL program, a fresh bunch of lunatics to throw 80,000 into a licence that is going to be worth nothing, zero, zip, zilch, nada on the open market. and will have to come back to spend more money for something that may actually be useful.
Of course Easy are going to like it, they'll have a whole fresh bunch of lunatics that will have no option but to accept whatever sh1t contract they have dangled in front of them becuse they'll have a licence worth jack sh1t and be hog tied to easy becuase they wont have any paperwork of value on the market.
It's commercial pressure being packaged and supplied to you.
If you think that OAA and Easy are doing this because "well, they're just a nice bunch of guys that soo want help people get flying and earn really good salaries off them," think again.
You know if Easy weally, weally, weally like OAA guys and girls that much, why dont they employ some of them, there's a lot of them out there looking for work ?
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You know if Easy weally, weally, weally like OAA guys and girls that much, why dont they employ some of them, there's a lot of them out there looking for work ?
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a licence worth jack sh1t and be hog tied to easy becuase they wont have any paperwork of value on the market
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@stuckgear
We have had no details on either the full cost of the course, which must include a TR, or the terms of employment thereafter. Why be so negative without a single fact to back it up?
After 1500 hours the MPL can be converted into a normal ATPL - just like the CPL/IR route - this equates to just 2 years in easyJet at 750 hours per year. After that you have a full ATPL and possibly the most marketable and useful TR in the world. Quite the opposite of the picture you are painting.
We have had no details on either the full cost of the course, which must include a TR, or the terms of employment thereafter. Why be so negative without a single fact to back it up?
After 1500 hours the MPL can be converted into a normal ATPL - just like the CPL/IR route - this equates to just 2 years in easyJet at 750 hours per year. After that you have a full ATPL and possibly the most marketable and useful TR in the world. Quite the opposite of the picture you are painting.