View Full Version : why the name "scarebus?"
shon7
22nd Mar 2002, 06:32
I haven't got a chance to talk with too many airbus pilots but on pprune I have heard the name scarebus mentioned a no of times. So is this all just humour or is there something more behind the origins of this name?
polzin
22nd Mar 2002, 07:32
Only because I am either too stupid to know better or I am on my 4th glass of my red wine which I drink only for the benefit of my heart, You can take a couple of choices . One that when the Chief Pilot of Airbus on a go-around at an airshow goes thru a forest of trees and then is retired to a villa proves that there is something fundamentally wrong with the computerized world of Airbus, or that every airplane can get some nickname which may or may not be deserved. . .When Airbus got into the business they thought they had to jump the status quo. They had to offer a superior product. While Boeing was cautious due to safety , product liability , and possibly to a superiority complex. It is REALLY difficult to bring Very new technology to the airplane world. Just watch and see how many companies that really have a great idea fail in the coming years. That would fit the pattern for the last 98 years. Please forgive any spelling errors as Engish is my first language.
Eff Oh
22nd Mar 2002, 14:14
I think you will find that the Air France pilot who crashed at the Habsheim Airshow actually went to jail for manslaughter!! I believe he appealed, and his sentence was INCREASED! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
The Nr Fairy
22nd Mar 2002, 14:41
Also referred to as the John Wayne aeroplane.. .. .Chops down trees, moves mountains, and kills Indians.
Blunderbus; or for those that remember Wacky Races, the Arkansas Chug-a-bus.. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />
Captain104
22nd Mar 2002, 15:55
Polzin,. .was it the 4th glas of redwine which made you promote poor Air France Captain Hasseline at Habsheim to "Chief pilot of Airbus?" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />
Hot Rod
22nd Mar 2002, 16:08
The fate of the Habsheim A320 would probably have been the same with any other aircraft if it was flown the way it was. Read about it on <a href="http://aviation-safety.net/database/1988/880626-0.htm" target="_blank">Aviation Safety.</a> . .PS. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> Hi "Polzin", nice to see that you are still around. We flew L-1011 together at Novair.. . . . <small>[ 22 March 2002, 12:11: Message edited by: Hot Rod ]</small>
Hand Solo
23rd Mar 2002, 05:21
The Airbus fly-by-wire system isn't quite as new as they'd have you believe. Much of the concept was proved on Concorde which had been flying safely for many years prior to the development of the A320. I think Conc may even have non-moving thrust levers just like the bus, and one of the initial Concorde prototpyes had a sidestick. The 'John Wayne' accidents were just caused by bad flying. If you can't tell the difference between a 3 degree descent path and a 3000fpm descent rate then you're asking for trouble!
polzin
23rd Mar 2002, 05:44
HOT ROD....... .. .Send me an E mail !!!!!!!!
Because it rhymes with Airbus of course!!!. .. .Still, I think Boring is a very good alternative to Boeing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> (not that I think like that..).
SKYYACHT
24th Mar 2002, 11:39
We tend to offer nicknames to all aeroplanes, ie., Death Cruiser 10, More Death 11, and more recently the Cripple-Seven.,......Just gallows humour I suppose.
Patagonia
25th Mar 2002, 20:06
Don't forget about the Death Star...the Guv's fave <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
Flight Detent
26th Mar 2002, 13:56
Try this one for day to day reality:. ."If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going" (Once again). .It still works really well!
Hot Rod
27th Mar 2002, 00:13
Patagonia! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> . .The L-1011 TRISTAR is the best aircraft ever! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> . .If someone wants to call it Dxxxx Sxxx so let him do that... but he then doesn´´t know what he is. . talking about... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .Cheers 1011-guys.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />
Irish Steve
27th Mar 2002, 01:21
320 on very short final to Twr "It's going around!". .. .Twr to 320 "your intentions?". .. .320 to Twr "we're going with it!". .. .Maybe it's not true, but there are several stories of this ilk around, and having done some in depth work on the complex relationships between some of the systems for a simulation, there are times when the aircraft does seem to have a mind of it's own!
Carnage Matey!
28th Mar 2002, 01:01
Well it wouldn't have gone around unless they'd told it to, unless they'd done something very dicey and got alpha-floor/TOGA lock, but in that situation its probably for the best. Mind you it is a real handful to sort out the FMGC flight plan after a go-around if its got it's knickers in a twist.
747flyboy
29th Mar 2002, 17:26
I remember when i worked for Monarch aka "mafia" airlines years ago we had an A320 nicknamed hedge trimmer! Not only was it relevant to the airshow incident but if i remember correctly, its reg was G-MOAA!!!!
Irish Steve
29th Mar 2002, 22:33
One of the scariest things for me was some research time spent in a simulator before 9/11, as part of a project related to "secondary warnings" systems. We were exploring the extreme edges of the envelope with the instructor, and got into the realms of manual reversions, and at that point, we well and truly discovered how much of a chameleon the 320 can be!. .. .While everything is on, it seems to be very much a case of power = speed, and stick = attitude, and we all know the arguments that this subject is about to provoke!. .. .Well, we turned just about everything off, and were left with rudders, pitch trim and power, and at that somewhat hairy stage, as expected, pitch attitude = speed, and power = rate of descent/climb. We did just about manage to get away with a manual reversion go around, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> but it wasn't pretty, and the 2 of us winding the trimmer nearly got friction burns on our fingers!. .. .I could make some other comments about the way that things happened that were more a result of computer committee decisions rather than aerodynamics, but I think this is going to be one of those subjects that could get into the old "Boeing/Airbus" argument if I do, and that's counterproductive.. . . . <small>[ 29 March 2002, 18:36: Message edited by: Irish Steve ]</small>
fantom
29th Mar 2002, 22:47
rubbish.
Crusty Ol Cap'n
30th Mar 2002, 02:44
Well put Fantom!
KC-10 Driver
30th Mar 2002, 12:16
Q: What's the difference between an Airbus and a chain saw?. .. .A: About a thousand trees per minute.. .. .Before I get flamed, be advised I flew the A320, and I really loved it.
GlueBall
31st Mar 2002, 14:05
More scary is to have rudder and vertical stab come unglued!:(
Hand Solo
31st Mar 2002, 22:14
Well that has broadly the same outcome as an uncommanded rudder hardover, except the hardover isn't triggered by pilot input.:eek:
Buster Hymen
2nd Apr 2002, 05:43
The new generation Airbus a/c auto stall protection is inhibited <100ft rad.alt. otherwise you would never be able to land ,but the Habsheim pilot "forgot" this when he pulled the sidestick full aft to show how smart the aircraft was...................
Airbus IS good technology -you just have to make a little effort to understand what your flying,respect the equipment and resist the temptation to go that bit further at airshows-every year that kills people...
If we're gonna keep this up I might mention the time Airbus was demonstrating the 320 for an airline up north. A holding was demonstrated, this worked only the bus didn't want to leave the holding. I think they were in there for 45 min or so.:rolleyes:
Or we can mention the time when a 340 started to dump fuel for no reason. They had to shut down the #3 ENG to make it stop. :rolleyes:
Hand Solo
3rd Apr 2002, 21:52
Yeah heard the holding one before. It's not true and anyone who had even half an idea of what an Airbus is about would know its impossible.
Jetavia
3rd Apr 2002, 22:27
Have also heard the holding story, but it involved a Conair A320 (Premiair) being stuck in a holding in Southern Europe. Took ground techs and airbus an hour to come up with a solution.
True or not I don't know !
Hot Rod
4th Apr 2002, 05:43
Interesting with those rumours....
Can anyone who was flying 320 for Conair at that time or anyone flying for that fueldumping-340-airline at that time post a reply telling us the real story...
Or maybe someone who worked for Airbus...
Or maybe someone from Boeing since another rumour says that they planted these funny stories...:D
WhatFlare
5th Apr 2002, 03:53
Airbus crashes are down to lack of understanding of the a/c and lack of situational awareness. All the stories about not being able to exit holds etc are chinese whispers.
Jetavia,
The only time I know of an airbus being held for 1+ hr is due to atc, sorry the AB cockpit automation does not have a solution for the mess europeans airspace is.
Knold, if the issue you mentioned did in fact take place would you can to indicate the whereabouts of the AD that came out as a result of this hyperthetical major defect.
The only people who seem to lable them scarebus at the moment is the senior marketing managers at Boeing who are getting scared by the bus looking like they will outsell them and out produce them.
Z
Crusty Ol Cap'n
5th Apr 2002, 17:23
The first time I heard the holding story it was about a Turkish 737 EFIS at Glasgow.
Some time ago an Airbus employee showed me an article on these urban myths. There must have been close to fifty of them.
loggerhead
5th Apr 2002, 22:21
747flyboy, What Monarch were you working for???
We do however have a couple of A300-600R G-MONR "Non Runner" and G-MONS "Non Starter", but even so, their names are unjustified...