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Jan Olieslagers
6th Dec 2010, 18:36
For those who can comprehend the Teutonic, here's a wealth of info by a German living in North-Eastern Italy:
http://www.fliegen-in-italien.de (http://www.pprune.org//http://www.fliegen-in-italien.de/avioresorts.html)
For one thing, it explains why many places have avgas available but only to locals/club members: Italian regulations seem to allow a tax advantage to such sales. Reading between the lines - which was never my strong point - I seem to imagine it is "often" possible to arrange something, but I can well understand nobody is going to state this publicly. Especially on a place as notorious as this.
I would have to google-translate but, yes, if you can find somebody "agreeable" they will let you fill up, you pay them (cost plus), and they book the fuel to one of the club planes...
It's clearly one of those scenarios where speaking the local language works wonders.
Edit: I now recognise the author, Philipp Tieman. On the flyer forum he wrote that all my hassles in Italy were a load of "hogwash". I then asked him whether he happens to speak Italian. He never replied :)
Italy is OK if you can contact the airport beforehand and ask the right questions.
Italy is OK if you can contact the airport beforehand and ask the right questions.
Even then, amigo, it can be quite a challenge.
Jan Olieslagers
6th Dec 2010, 19:08
Of course he never replied. He knows the way Italy works, or that's how I understand it, who never flew down there myself. But I did travel there, and I did some little bits of business. The further south, the greater the distance/difference between "what is written" and "how it actually works". One doesn't rely on text; down there, one relies on relations. Surely you knew as much?
PS as I read his page, he has been living in Italy for several years. If he is clever enough to be a pilot, he must have picked up SOME bit of the local language. But he'll never tell how much - to an outsider - get the picture? Clever guy, really, meseems.
If you are looking for N European type of "corporate behaviour transparency", forget Italy.
This
http://www.peter2000.co.uk/aviation/sardinia/lier-avgas.jpg
is from August this year. Despite the notam, a working avgas pump but if you ask about avgas, everybody just gives you a Mona Lisa smile and walks on :) One person said you have to be an AOPA member.
If you have time on your hands, or if you speak Italian, it's a lovely place. If you want predictability, and avgas, stick to a certain few airports.
FlyingStone
6th Dec 2010, 20:37
Italy is OK if you can contact the airport beforehand and ask the right questions.
Asking the right questions isn't enough, the most important thing is to make sure they understand what are you asking :ugh: I think one should need to spend few hours reading "Simple English" Wikipedia to learn how to communicate with those Italians who actualy speak English :) I once made an enquiry about a fuel price and availability at certain airport in Italy over the phone (because they were so responsive over the e-mail, you know) and after 10 minutes of three English words he knew (hello, yes, no), I made an educated guess that he didn't understand a thing, so I refuelled outside of Italy and stayed on the safe/wet side :)
I seem to imagine it is "often" possible to arrange something, but I can well understand nobody is going to state this publicly.
Well, I couldn't possibly comment. :oh:
patowalker
7th Dec 2010, 08:58
Nothing to do with avgas availability, but Point to Point will make interesting reading to anybody planning to fly in Italy.
http://www.avioportolano.it/downloads.php?cat_id=2
That's a very nice guide, patowalker :ok:
From the flying POV, probably useful for the airport contact details although, being dated 2006, a lot of that will have changed.
I guess Italy is great for a low level microlight flyer, flying on mogas.
AfricanEagle
7th Dec 2010, 12:50
Who intends flying to Italy and requires information may want to post in the forum VFRFlight forum | Aviazione Generale, VDS, Ultraleggeri - Index (http://www.vfrflight.net) in the "Welcome foreign users!" section.
Somebody is always willing to help.
Italy can be difficult even for local pilots but the scenery and the food is worth it. :)
Great link :ok:
I see Philipp Tiemann is also asking there, about avgas :)
I agree too, though Croatia and Slovenia are just as (more, I would say) beautiful, and flying there is a pleasure, with none of the hassles mentioned. Been there many times. The food is excellent mediterranean stuff - the best :)
Jan Olieslagers
7th Dec 2010, 16:36
@AfricanEagle: that is a great link indeed, bookmarked! If ever I manage the grand expedition across the English Channel (AND back), my next ambition is Italy, so either I get lost in the waves or you're bound to hear from me down there! Grazie mille!
The only way to be sure remains to ask the airport.
Jan Olieslagers
7th Dec 2010, 17:49
Italy might be the only country that decided that building and buying their own Italo-Cessnas for national flying clubs, I assume with tax money, made sense!
Silvaire, you sure on this one? I never heard of such a scheme in Italy, though I am not claiming omniscience - but your story reminds me a lot of Reims Cessna production, in the former Max Holste factory I believe. Supposed to build one model of Cessna twin even to this very day. Reims is not in Italy, though, even if I could wish it were.
Sam Rutherford
7th Dec 2010, 18:20
Ask, and ye shall find:
Aerotouring Flight Guide Italy 2010/2011
Go on, give me a difficult one... ;)
Sam.
AfricanEagle
7th Dec 2010, 21:04
The Partenavia P66C may look like a Cessna but it is a very different aeroplane.
Only thing in common is the 160hp engine found on the C172N.
It is slightly faster, more nervous, higher stall speed, less cabin space, certified for limited acros (loops, rolls). A good initial trainer.
I soloed in a P66C ;)
lucaberta
8th Dec 2010, 15:28
Let me also add that the P66 is the "uncle" of the much more famous P92 from Tecnam. Partenavia basically dissolved and was rebuilt again under the Tecnam name.
P92 is the modern P66, as you will always find it as a basic trainer in the many microlight/LSA/ultralight schools throughout the country. But Tecnam is seeing quite a bit of interest in their products around the whole world, including the USA.
There is also a VLA version of the P92, and similarly to what happened with the P66 in the past, some schools have received P92 VLA machines with government funding.
Ciao, Luca
lucaberta
8th Dec 2010, 22:06
Some expertise from Partenavia went elsewhere, as Vulcanair is a different company that has the rights on the P68 high wing twin.
Still, Tecnam was able to produce a similar yet much more advanced twin using Rotax 100HP engines, the P2006T which I am sure you've seen mentioned in the press.
Next time you're around, give us a shout on the VFRflight.net forum that African Eagle mentioned earlier in this thread. I am sure that we will be able to find a way to get you inside the Tecnam manufacturing facility... :ok:
Ciao, Luca
lucaberta
9th Dec 2010, 07:37
You are so right, very much below the radar there is a lot of microlight activity. Most small planes right now are in the LSA class, which in Italy is limited to 450kg MTOW (1000 pounds), and that's where the growth is. There is much less GA going on it Italy these days, but still there is some, and they too have moved to the "aviosuperfici", which are licensed airstrips. In most airports landing fees are due, and so GA planes have left airports in a lot of cases, and have migrated to aviosuperfici.
Stupid regulations and poor support of GA have come into effect, and the net result is that a lot of GA activity has moved to microlights. I myself have done exactly this. And I do more "serious" flying when I am in the US and want to exercise my IFR skills or overfly LAX on a C172.
Still, GA is there in Italy, though the numbers are much smaller than they were when I took my PPL 20 years ago. And I have to say to this otherwise my friend African Eagle will punch me in the face next time we meet! ;)
You are more than welcome to take your Luscombe to Italy. There is no problem whatsoever if you only fly from aviosuperfici or uncontrolled airports, thought the latter sometimes have landing fees, yes, even uncontrolled airports can have fees! :uhoh:
Getting in and out of the country is a snap, as Italy is part of the Schengen agreement. You only need an ATC flight plan when crossing the border from France for instance, and that's it. And you can open it and close on the phone, in case you can't have positive radio contact with ATC via the handheld radio.
Glad I could be of some help! Looking forward to meeting you in Italy sometimes!
Ciao, Luca
All very valuable information over the previous posts. Thanks for sharing.
Maybe it is Brits (non-Schengen) who keep having all the "fun" in Italy?
They need to get "Customs PNR" etc and of course PNR=PPR because you have no way of knowing if the PNR was received unless you get a confirmation.
I was refused a landing clearance (from a short final) at Padova because they said they didn't get the PNR (I sent them several faxes the previous day because they didn't answer the phone) so - in Italy, for sure - this needs to be treated seriously.
In France, I have had occassions where I could not make fax/phone/email contact to verify "Customs PNR" and after finally getting a local contact to do it, the answer was along the lines "yes, of course, we have your fax, no problem...". But that's France - a very different country.
It's quite possible that Schengen pilots don't have any PNR issues (as those are mostly Customs related) - apart from avgas. Local (Italian) flyers will know all the tricks anyway.
I am getting a warning on a site called alice.it.
Probably, one of the images posted are on an infected server.
lucaberta
9th Dec 2010, 15:06
IO540,
two things, Padova is not a controlled airfield and thus IMHO you should have landed and sorted out the PNR vs PPR snafu safely on the ground. If you were coming in from abroad like you imply, then there was an ATC flight plan, and to me that is yet another indication of the fact that you were going into LIPU.
Also, there are no customs involved in an intra-EU flight like UK to Italy. There is only passport check since the UK are not part of the Schengen agreement, and any policeman or Carabiniere can do that check. A simple phone call would have made the trick. If you know the trick, that is... :ok:
On the other hand, often times airports have a PPR for GA flights, citing lack of parking space as an excuse. Truth is, they don't want any GA planes cause they don't bring in much revenue. That is why in most airports you can't even find 100LL avgas, and sometimes if it's there, it cannot be sold to visitors as it's only available to planes belonging to the Aeroclub.
This is the exact reason why so many GA planes have migrated to aviosuperfici out in the countryside.
GA has been very successfully mobbed in Italy, no doubts about that. Very unfortunate that this happened in a country that used to be at the top of the aviation world between the two wars... :ugh:
Ciao, Luca
P.S. Not sure about the alice.it warning you mention. Alice is an ISP in Italy but I don't see the link with the PPRuNe forum...
Interesting input.
IMHO you should have landed and sorted out the PNR vs PPR snafu safely on the ground.
I did wonder, and if it happened again I would probably declare a "low oil pressure" mayday and land. In this case we diverted to Treviso, whose ATC said they have avgas, only to find aeroclub-only avgas there. Eventually we filled up across the Alps in Germany.
If you were coming in from abroad like you imply, then there was an ATC flight plan, and to me that is yet another indication of the fact that you were going into LIPU.
Sure they knew it, and I know they knew it in good time, but somebody either messed up or they wanted to teach us a lesson. We flew in from Croatia. Unfortunately, flight plans are almost universally disregarded for PNR/PPR purposes. The only airports I have come across where flight plans are thus used are some H24 ones (Prague e.g.) where the handler organises things according to the incoming FPs popping up on his PC. But Customs are not an issue there; all H24 airports I know of are H24 Customs anyway. Some big ones do have PPR though.
More recently (August) I flew to Caglieri (from the UK, direct) and it was very smooth. A complete contrast to the rest of Sardinia. Not really cheap though :)
Alice is an ISP in Italy but I don't see the link with the PPRuNe forum...
I think there was an infected link on that URL.
lucaberta
9th Dec 2010, 17:41
I've already replied to your email, Silvaire1, thanks much for getting in touch directly!
Handling is truly the issue at airports in Italy, not so much landing fees which are just a few euros, a few euros too many in any case! :ugh:
Some handlers try to play dumb and charge for services which have neither been asked for nor performed. Trust me when I tell you that I've toilet cleaning service charged on a Piper single engine piston!
The good news is that some aviosuperfici are now equipped with 100LL pumps, recently Terni (northeast of Rome) has added automatic pumps for 100LL, Mogas and Jet A1, so any type of aircraft can be fueled. And Terni is a former airport with a 3000' asphalt runway turned into aviosuperficie, to avoid the mess with bureaucracy. Sometimes ingenuity gives the right answers...
Ciao, Luca
What you guys need to do is set up a website called Flying in Italy :) which lists all the airfields (that are relevant to foreign travellers) and contains up to date information on each one, with fuel, PNR, PPR, opening hours, and verified contact details (phone, fax, email).
This is what the Greeks did (aopa.gr) and they did a brilliant job. It doesn't take much to update such a site, if you are a local pilot and local language speaker.
Jan Olieslagers
9th Dec 2010, 18:36
All your wishes come true at Il portale dei campi di volo italiani (http://www.campidivolo.it/) .
and could you kindly refrain from telling people what they need to do? I think Luca and AfricanEagle and the others are doing a great job at their forum, and deserve only praise and gratitude. I will certainly join if I survive two crossings of the English Channel, the Alps are my next adventure!
Jan - look up Oristano on that website and tell me what it says about avgas.
Jan Olieslagers
9th Dec 2010, 18:53
It says there's some petrol available, so it might well be worth inquiring about modalities. Which you would want to do anyway before flying there, as always and everywhere. A phone number is given, too, conveniently. Mail address might come in handy, but you'd have to be very lucky to get any kind of reply if not writing in local language. Which applies to most places, with an exception for the low countries and probably Scandinavia and the Balticum.
Reading between the lines - which was never my strong point - I understand you still want Italy to be a decent place - to me it is that really, but my definitions of "decent" are more flexible perhaps. Then again, I never yet tried flying there. But Italy seems much more doable to me than many other countries.
It says there's some petrol available, so it might well be worth inquiring about modalities. Which you would want to do anyway before flying there, as always and everywhere.
That, unfortunately, only makes my point. The only petrol there is what you can drain out of somebody's tank :)
Actually, all I expect of an airport (aviation being an inherently/potentially international activity) is that somebody can be contacted there and they reply. Not sure what "decent" means but one does expect certain things, in Europe. One expects communications to work. If I was flying to Upper Volta, that would be different :)
Taking Oristano, one could fly there directly from anywhere in Schengen which means one could fly there direct from say Cherbourg - around 900nm. That is "international enough". To argue otherwise is to argue that foreigners should avoid Italy.
If I ran an airport, I might reasonably expect somebody to fly to it.
Jan Olieslagers
9th Dec 2010, 19:23
Well, I never was there, so I won't argue. But there's some contradiction with Airport of Oristano - Fenosu official site, SOGEAOR Society of management of the Oristanesi airports - AV GAS 100 LL (http://www.aeroporto-oristano.it/uk/details.asp?IDPages=26&IDParent=19&Level=0)
which again confirms the requirement for ad-hoc confirmation. As always, as everywhere.
Edit: navigeo.org even mentions a price for 100LL, though without mentioning any date or source. Not encyclopedical, they'd say on Wikipedia, still I find it hard to believe Avgas is (or at the very least "was") NEVER available at LIER.
AfricanEagle
9th Dec 2010, 19:37
The secret to happy flying in Italy.
Relax, take your time, enjoy what happens, don't be in a hurry. You're on holiday.
ATC is normally helpful with foreign pilots, just follow the standard routing within TMAs and be ready to say expected time over next reporting point (they always ask :rolleyes:).
Bigger airports can offer hassles and useless paperwork. Be patient, take it in your stride, it is part of the holiday. If things take longer than expected go for a good lunch or stop over for the night and enjoy a bottle of wine.
Try to use aviosuperfici when you can. No need for customs if you have stopped over in France or any other Schengen country.
Just five hassle free aviosuperfici that come to mind that have avgas available:
Ozzano, near Bologna, 800m grass, self service credit card fuel pump.
Sansepolcro, north of Perugia, 800m grass, excellent homemade food and rooms on site (ring before, Marcello speaks english).
Serristori, just west of Arezzo, 500m tar, excellent restaurant and rooms on site.
Terni, north of Rome, 800m tar, self service credit card fuel pump (JetA1, avgas, mogas), closed on Mondays.
Scalea, way south of Sorrento, 1000+m runway, has a landing fee.
I live and fly in Italy, but I usually phone ahead if I require fuel to check. Do the same.
If you have problems or get desparate send me a pm and I will try to sort it out. :)
lucaberta
9th Dec 2010, 20:49
still I find it hard to believe Avgas is (or at the very least "was") NEVER available at LIERand infact it was available when I went there a few years ago. Maybe not cheap, but they had it.
Now, things can chage of course, but I find it hard to believe that you could not find a telephone number and someone to speak to at the end of the line.
Italy is full of contradictions, we're the first ones to tell you. But you will generally find people that are willing to help. As African Eagle says, take your time and don't get nervous, it will not help!
We're happy to help any pilot who might need more information.
Ciao, Luca
Jan Olieslagers
9th Dec 2010, 20:53
Be warned, Luca: if ever I can manage a route across the Alps, you will have your hands full! };-) Think I'll particularly want to fly into Cremona LILR, I have fond memories of the trattoria on the field, and most of all of Egg. Sgr. Hermann - if I spell that right...
lucaberta
9th Dec 2010, 21:24
I am sure that the trattoria at Cremona is still there. :ok:
Careful with the weight and balance after lunch, the runway is short, and they serve a lot of food... ;)
Earlier in this thread, I posted a picture of an avgas pump which I took at Oristano in September 2010, so to say that avgas has existed there is historically correct - a bit like saying water has existed on Mars. And, like on Mars, the stuff almost certainly still exists deep below the surface.
What I found irritating was being totally unable to establish, pre-flight, whether they have avgas.
Some people live their life as it comes, taking things easy. They fly from the UK to Italy, stopping in 15 places on the way, etc. I tend to use my plane to get from A to B and I pre-plan things for minimal hassle. Of course I want to enjoy the flight, the scenery, and the destination(s) but that is much easier to do if there are no major hassles, which comes back to planning. It is this planning which is difficult to do for some countries.
The bottom line is that if you need avgas you have to go elsewhere first. Then, with full tanks and enough juice for say 1000nm of flying, you can evidently explore Italy at a leisurely pace :)
lucaberta
9th Dec 2010, 22:55
The bottom line is that if you need avgas you have to go elsewhere first. Then, with full tanks and enough juice for say 1000nm of flying, you can evidently explore Italy at a leisurely pace :)
very sad, but true. In France it's very easy to find avgas, and Corsica being part of France is the perfect fuel stop for those who want to visit Sardinia.
Handling charges for Cagliari and Olbia are very high, and while in Cagliari you get little to no service, in Olbia the GA terminal is top notch, given the very high volume of bizjets they get because of the proximity with Costa Smeralda. But they don't always have avgas, believe it or not... but Figari is only some 20 minutes away!
--Luca
IO540
10th Dec 2010, 06:29
Cagliari (http://www.peter2000.co.uk/aviation/sardinia/index.html) cost less than I would have expected - slightly over 50 euros, which is fine for an occassional visit. One spends maybe 500 euros on avgas getting there :)
Olbia had no avgas.
Corsica should have avgas but this needs to be checked too; on my last trip Figari had no avgas.
If you can burn avtur, things get a lot easier. We need another Mr Thielert but slightly more reliable :)
lucaberta
10th Dec 2010, 06:55
IO540,
I am quickly browsing your trip report to LIEE, and I found some very interesting information, which will require more time on my side for a thorough understanding and reply. You, Sir, have a great airplane! :D
France had a shortage of avgas pretty much countrywide last summer, generally all the airports have 100LL without problems. Fortunately Propriano is also relatively close to Figari, friends had the exact same issue you had last summer.
This thread is great, I have to agree with Silvaire1! Now I know that next time I am visiting my wife's relatives in Portsmouth (she's half english half italian) I can also go a little east and visit the Shoreham airport, and maybe meet some interesting people over there! :ok:
Ciao, Luca
lucaberta
15th Dec 2010, 20:48
IO540,
just an additional bit of information from a friend of mine who flew into Oristano in early August, just a few weeks before your trip.
They bought 100LL at LIER without any problem, so clearly that NOTAM you found was there due to a fuel shortage, in a way similar to what happened in France last summer.
I am wondering whether at some point in time last summer something happened in the manufacturing and distribution chain for 100LL in Europe, and you've been caught in the middle...
Great trip report!
Ciao, Luca
IO540
16th Dec 2010, 10:38
It's possible but nobody indicated this as the cause.
I did ask several people at LIER when I was there, over 2 days, all of whom spoke enough English (the airport has about 5x more staff than it needs :) ) but nobody would say anything about it. And my preflight planning written enquiries were never replied to.
I see the current airport notams for LIER do not mention avgas, so they may have it now, but one has to be careful with this because an airport is entitled to cancel a notam the instant the information has been sent off for publication in the national AIP. And nobody is going to treat the Italian AIP as definitive :)
Thank you for the kind comments :)
lucaberta
16th Dec 2010, 21:28
I did ask several people at LIER when I was there, over 2 days, all of whom spoke enough English (the airport has about 5x more staff than it needs http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif ) but nobody would say anything about it. And my preflight planning written enquiries were never replied to.yeah, overstaffing at Oristano, a film I've witnessed with my own camera... :sad:
Here is a pic I took in 2007, when 7 microlight planes raided Oristano and asked for 100LL.
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9329/dscn529179244737951110.jpg
The 3 people on the left wing are all staffers, and so is the fourth guy standing by the fuel pump. The two guys close to the right wing are the pilots of that plane.
So 4 people to refuel a microlight plane... see why Italy is sooo broken? And these folks all have wages to be paid at the end of the month, and Oristano is a very dead airport. So who pays their wages in the end? Of course it's the taxpayers! :ugh:
And speaaking of AIP, NOTAMs are worse than the AIP. They are worthless in this country, it's an endless maze of useless information, with the real important information carefully hidden by a heap of crap... :yuk:
'nuff bitching, let me go to bed and dream of flying in the USA...
Ciao, Luca
Katamarino
17th Dec 2010, 07:35
My tips for flying in Italy:
1) Take a Jet-A burner (which we did!)
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs656.snc4/61646_701311783770_36912261_43855475_6847930_n.jpg
2) Do not bust the Torrino CTR in dramatic fashion (less success here)
3) If you bust the Torrino CTR in dramatic fashion, phone them and apologise, it works wonders :p
IO540
17th Dec 2010, 07:52
4) bring a girl (as pictured above)
That's what I do :)
Not suggesting Italian girls are less than attractive (well, prior to marriage, anyway) but they are Catholic, aren't they?
:)
Katamarino
17th Dec 2010, 07:54
As always, IO540 cuts straight to the most important point :ok:
AfricanEagle
17th Dec 2010, 08:56
Italian girls are modern Catholics http://vfrflight.net/Smileys/LightB/wink.gif
IO540
17th Dec 2010, 13:53
Hmmm, I did wonder how Berlusconi got all those 16 year olds round to his house ;) Now I know...
I used to think it was his hair.
My father worked at Trieste post-WW2. He loved Italian women. Never stopped talking about Italy... much to the anger of my mother :) In his old age he suggested going back there to find some of his girlfriends. My mum - always practical - suggested he starts in the cemeteries :)
Anyway, one of my first long trips had a stop at Trieste so I could check it out. I can see why he liked it; it's a bit like a (somewhat decrepit) version of Prague with a seaside.
IO540
17th Dec 2010, 21:00
Ljubljana (60 miles away) is a definite mini-PragueThat's true (http://www.peter2000.co.uk/aviation/corfu/gallery-slovenia/images/slovenia0053.jpg)
LJLJ was my first foreign landing after I got the IR :)
Slovenia is a really beautiful country. Mountains, forests, lakes, all in a very small area. And it's well organised, with everything working smoothly. At the airport GA office they even hand you a custom briefing pack with weather, etc.
Jan Olieslagers
17th Dec 2010, 21:34
Fully off-topic: Having visited Trieste extensively, and Ljubljana brieferly, I gently please to confirm that both are most enjoyable places. The Trieste waterfront is particularly beautiful indeed, and with a good nose one can smell some Strauss music down the old town alleys. But IMHO neither city can claim much resemblance to Prague - try Stockholm rather then, or even better, Vilnius. Certainly Prague is a beer place, whereas Trieste and Ljubljana are rather into wine.
I never flew to any of these beautiful cities, more's the pity; but my time is coming now. Approaching fast. Will keep you posted.
byteworks
18th Dec 2010, 10:52
I really like Trieste, the edgy feeling mixed culture included, and came close to taking a job there three years ago. I guess the Bora could impact your flying in the winter... boy, does that wind blow.
I spent two (non-flying) weeks in October in Trieste, indeed the Bora showed a strong evidence, nevertheless the guys at the Prosecco airfied had nice activity in the happy weekend wind break, making me very jealous and angry on myself not arranging something in time.
Indeed is all about wine in the evenings there!
lucaberta
19th Dec 2010, 21:46
nevertheless the guys at the Prosecco airfied had nice activity in the happy weekend wind breakbyteworks did his homework right before going to Trieste! :ok: Yes, there is a small uncertified airfield closer to Trieste than Ronchi dei Legionari (LIPQ), but it's only a microlight strip. Never landed there, though.
Trieste is definitely part of the Alpe Adria region, and is much more Central Europe than Italy in many ways. Lovely town, but heck, that Bora wind is hard to survive not being from Trieste!
Ciao, Luca
IO540
20th Dec 2010, 08:27
Trieste is a super airport but does it (http://www.peter2000.co.uk/aviation/santorini/trieste-landing-big.jpg) still have that Mad Max avgas pump (http://www.peter2000.co.uk/aviation/santorini/mad-max-fuel-pump.jpg) at the end of the long narrow taxiway, with no way to turn around at the end without using the towbar?
:)