Turkish Airlines jets collusion avoided by 100 meters

[Entaroadun]

Turkish press have published radio logs of a talk between THY pilot and tower of istanbul ataturk airport.
I do not have the English translation but it has been reported that due to tower error two THY planes were near collision on 13 oct. The collision was avoided by 100 meters.
When you read the recording, flight controller begs and tries to convince the pilot not to report him, and the pilot accepts...
I wonder what professional pilots think about this incident?

[dontdoit]

The same that I think about having 2 TCAS RAs over central London and ignoring them...the same as 3 pilots on a rushed approach to AMS missing the fact that thrust was at idle...the same as mis-identifying the landing R/w at AMS and running off the end...the list goes on and on. Look in any of the online job search engines and ask yourself why most of the jobs nearest to the EU are in Turkey.

[The Ancient Geek]

Turkey is not in the EU.
(Yet).

[BOAC]

the same as mis-identifying the landing R/w at AMS and running off the end. - have I missed something or are you planting a red herring?

[Lonewolf_50]

BOAC, it is my impression that he is alluding to the industry being continually hampered by human errors due to how it is being run, of which each example he cites is a data point.

But maybe I misunderstood his post.

[BOAC]

Fine - but which 'data point' is that?

[Lonewolf_50]

I'll defer to dontdoit, as its his point made ... or not. :cool:

[Beavis and Butthead]

BOAC

I think he is referring to the Correndon 737 that put it's nosegear in the mud at the end of Runway 22 recently.

[BOAC]

Yes, we think so - but does she/she have 'inside information' on what happened - as far as we know

a) It landed on the intended runway
b) did not go 'off the end'

ddi thinks differently. This is new 'information' (or crap)

[BrATCO]

How does the press know there were only 100 m ?

Why did the controller ask the pilot not to report the incident ?

Why did the pilot keep the information ?

Is there a "just culture" policy in Turkish ATC ?

If there's no report, no investigation, nobody will ever know what happened, thus this will happen again...

[Sallyann1234]

A rather ironic error in the thread title, if the report is true.

[BrATCO]

That's the answer to my questions 2 and 3. :)

[akerosid]

Sallyann1234 got there before me; there does seem to have been some mid air collusion!

"flight controller begs and tries to convince the pilot not to report him, and the pilot accepts..."

Does anyone know what types are involved?

Seems a little naive of the TK crews to participate in the collusion when they know their conversations are being recorded!

[camel]

All the Man United boys 'feel like a starrrrrr' playing footie on the aircraft ?

oooops what we gonna do with Wayne now Bobby?

Wayne who?

(this tempting fate or what ?)

[Marcus777]

Yeah all good,but what about Rooney? City bound?

[camel]

Man City 2/1.... Inshallah..bit close to the ex tho
Real Mad 5/2...suits u sir
Chelsky 5/1...ahem no monkey biz alllowed
Spurs 25/1...dream on 'arry !

[fly fun]

I do not approve acts of both sides but you talk like you have heard this first time in your life. A few months ago Spanish controller was late to direct trafics and asked us whether report the situations. He/She was not too brave to say not report the situations but cannot disguised his intention..

[Yellow Pen]

My experience of Istanbul ATC is generally fairly negative. It's the only place I've had a push back stopped mid-push to allow a local aircraft to get ahead of me. Twice. I've also been number two for approach to a local aircraft which was slower and 80 miles behind me. Go figure. Mind you Ankara are generally fine.

[BrATCO]

Yellow Pen,I've also been number two for approach to a local aircraft which was slower and 80 miles behind me.
In a sequence, changing a number is much more difficult than taking number one, land it. Then number two, land it, and so on.

If you were number one, faster. I imagine around 250kt that's 15 min on the runway.
Why did they bother ?

[BrATCO]

Fly Fun,

He/She was not too brave to say not report the situations but cannot disguised his intention..

As I understand it, in regard of the unusual situation in Spain, the controller might have wished you would file the report.

[Yellow Pen]

BrATCO - we did ask why we were being delayed. Strangely enough we didn't get an answer. Or an EAT. We were simply instructed to hold at FL230 whilst the TK aircraft we'd overhauled somewhere over Romania was descended below us and sequenced ahead of us. The runway was open at IST and a small number of other TK aircraft landed ahead of us from other directions.

[BrATCO]

Ok, I just find it surprising.
And, all in all, more difficult thus less efficient than the method I described above.

[Shell Management]

At least this incident became known because the airline industry's squimishness on CVRs does not extend to air to ground communication.

[akerosid]

Report from a Turkish newspaper:

Big collision narrowly missed at ?stanbul airport (http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-225026-101-big-collision-narrowly-missed-at-istanbul-airport.html)

[OldChinaHand]

I think the thread starter intended to say "collision", not collusion !!

[fermented herring]

and the heading states that the collusion was avoided:)

[jackx123]

I remember way back, 20 odd years ago, when BA got the preferred sequence by ATC requiring most other airlines to hold whilst waiting for BA to finish their business.

If you have a few hundred flights arriving a LHR a day 15min hold is worth $$$$

[BOAC]

Ah! Istanbul - the mysterious orient - my pervading memory is being short final 05 at about 1/2 mile in a 737-800 to be asked excitedly by the controller if I could switch to 35.................................:ouch:

Derry turns not in my repertoire in 737s:)

[crispey]

Is there any more definitive reporting on this incident?I flew in there as SLF on THY from MAN on the day in question and have listened to liveatc's archive for the appropriate time slot of our landing.Nothing untoward there but that's just one half hour portion of a 24 hour day.