Turkish Airlines jets collusion avoided by 100 meters
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Turkish Airlines jets collusion avoided by 100 meters
Turkish press have published radio logs of a talk between THY pilot and tower of istanbul ataturk airport.
I do not have the English translation but it has been reported that due to tower error two THY planes were near collision on 13 oct. The collision was avoided by 100 meters.
When you read the recording, flight controller begs and tries to convince the pilot not to report him, and the pilot accepts...
I wonder what professional pilots think about this incident?
I do not have the English translation but it has been reported that due to tower error two THY planes were near collision on 13 oct. The collision was avoided by 100 meters.
When you read the recording, flight controller begs and tries to convince the pilot not to report him, and the pilot accepts...
I wonder what professional pilots think about this incident?
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The same that I think about having 2 TCAS RAs over central London and ignoring them...the same as 3 pilots on a rushed approach to AMS missing the fact that thrust was at idle...the same as mis-identifying the landing R/w at AMS and running off the end...the list goes on and on. Look in any of the online job search engines and ask yourself why most of the jobs nearest to the EU are in Turkey.
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Originally Posted by ddi
the same as mis-identifying the landing R/w at AMS and running off the end.
BOAC, it is my impression that he is alluding to the industry being continually hampered by human errors due to how it is being run, of which each example he cites is a data point.
But maybe I misunderstood his post.
But maybe I misunderstood his post.
I'll defer to dontdoit, as its his point made ... or not. 
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Yes, we think so - but does she/she have 'inside information' on what happened - as far as we know
a) It landed on the intended runway
b) did not go 'off the end'
ddi thinks differently. This is new 'information' (or crap)
a) It landed on the intended runway
b) did not go 'off the end'
ddi thinks differently. This is new 'information' (or crap)
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How does the press know there were only 100 m ?
Why did the controller ask the pilot not to report the incident ?
Why did the pilot keep the information ?
Is there a "just culture" policy in Turkish ATC ?
If there's no report, no investigation, nobody will ever know what happened, thus this will happen again...
Why did the controller ask the pilot not to report the incident ?
Why did the pilot keep the information ?
Is there a "just culture" policy in Turkish ATC ?
If there's no report, no investigation, nobody will ever know what happened, thus this will happen again...
A rather ironic error in the thread title, if the report is true.
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Sallyann1234 got there before me; there does seem to have been some mid air collusion!
"flight controller begs and tries to convince the pilot not to report him, and the pilot accepts..."
Does anyone know what types are involved?
Seems a little naive of the TK crews to participate in the collusion when they know their conversations are being recorded!
"flight controller begs and tries to convince the pilot not to report him, and the pilot accepts..."
Does anyone know what types are involved?
Seems a little naive of the TK crews to participate in the collusion when they know their conversations are being recorded!
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All the Man United boys 'feel like a starrrrrr' playing footie on the aircraft ?
oooops what we gonna do with Wayne now Bobby?
Wayne who?
(this tempting fate or what ?)
oooops what we gonna do with Wayne now Bobby?
Wayne who?
(this tempting fate or what ?)
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I do not approve acts of both sides but you talk like you have heard this first time in your life. A few months ago Spanish controller was late to direct trafics and asked us whether report the situations. He/She was not too brave to say not report the situations but cannot disguised his intention..
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My experience of Istanbul ATC is generally fairly negative. It's the only place I've had a push back stopped mid-push to allow a local aircraft to get ahead of me. Twice. I've also been number two for approach to a local aircraft which was slower and 80 miles behind me. Go figure. Mind you Ankara are generally fine.
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Yellow Pen,
In a sequence, changing a number is much more difficult than taking number one, land it. Then number two, land it, and so on.
If you were number one, faster. I imagine around 250kt that's 15 min on the runway.
Why did they bother ?
I've also been number two for approach to a local aircraft which was slower and 80 miles behind me.
If you were number one, faster. I imagine around 250kt that's 15 min on the runway.
Why did they bother ?
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Fly Fun,
As I understand it, in regard of the unusual situation in Spain, the controller might have wished you would file the report.
He/She was not too brave to say not report the situations but cannot disguised his intention..