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Turkish Airlines jets collusion avoided by 100 meters

Old 21st Oct 2010, 12:34
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Turkish Airlines jets collusion avoided by 100 meters

Turkish press have published radio logs of a talk between THY pilot and tower of istanbul ataturk airport.
I do not have the English translation but it has been reported that due to tower error two THY planes were near collision on 13 oct. The collision was avoided by 100 meters.
When you read the recording, flight controller begs and tries to convince the pilot not to report him, and the pilot accepts...
I wonder what professional pilots think about this incident?
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Old 21st Oct 2010, 12:54
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The same that I think about having 2 TCAS RAs over central London and ignoring them...the same as 3 pilots on a rushed approach to AMS missing the fact that thrust was at idle...the same as mis-identifying the landing R/w at AMS and running off the end...the list goes on and on. Look in any of the online job search engines and ask yourself why most of the jobs nearest to the EU are in Turkey.

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Turkey is not in the EU.
(Yet).
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Originally Posted by ddi
the same as mis-identifying the landing R/w at AMS and running off the end.
- have I missed something or are you planting a red herring?
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BOAC, it is my impression that he is alluding to the industry being continually hampered by human errors due to how it is being run, of which each example he cites is a data point.

But maybe I misunderstood his post.
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Fine - but which 'data point' is that?
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I'll defer to dontdoit, as its his point made ... or not.
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BOAC

I think he is referring to the Correndon 737 that put it's nosegear in the mud at the end of Runway 22 recently.
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Yes, we think so - but does she/she have 'inside information' on what happened - as far as we know

a) It landed on the intended runway
b) did not go 'off the end'

ddi thinks differently. This is new 'information' (or crap)
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How does the press know there were only 100 m ?

Why did the controller ask the pilot not to report the incident ?

Why did the pilot keep the information ?

Is there a "just culture" policy in Turkish ATC ?

If there's no report, no investigation, nobody will ever know what happened, thus this will happen again...
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A rather ironic error in the thread title, if the report is true.
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That's the answer to my questions 2 and 3.
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Sallyann1234 got there before me; there does seem to have been some mid air collusion!

"flight controller begs and tries to convince the pilot not to report him, and the pilot accepts..."

Does anyone know what types are involved?

Seems a little naive of the TK crews to participate in the collusion when they know their conversations are being recorded!
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All the Man United boys 'feel like a starrrrrr' playing footie on the aircraft ?

oooops what we gonna do with Wayne now Bobby?

Wayne who?

(this tempting fate or what ?)
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Yeah all good,but what about Rooney? City bound?
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Man City 2/1.... Inshallah..bit close to the ex tho
Real Mad 5/2...suits u sir
Chelsky 5/1...ahem no monkey biz alllowed
Spurs 25/1...dream on 'arry !
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I do not approve acts of both sides but you talk like you have heard this first time in your life. A few months ago Spanish controller was late to direct trafics and asked us whether report the situations. He/She was not too brave to say not report the situations but cannot disguised his intention..
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My experience of Istanbul ATC is generally fairly negative. It's the only place I've had a push back stopped mid-push to allow a local aircraft to get ahead of me. Twice. I've also been number two for approach to a local aircraft which was slower and 80 miles behind me. Go figure. Mind you Ankara are generally fine.
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Yellow Pen,
I've also been number two for approach to a local aircraft which was slower and 80 miles behind me.
In a sequence, changing a number is much more difficult than taking number one, land it. Then number two, land it, and so on.

If you were number one, faster. I imagine around 250kt that's 15 min on the runway.
Why did they bother ?
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Fly Fun,
He/She was not too brave to say not report the situations but cannot disguised his intention..
As I understand it, in regard of the unusual situation in Spain, the controller might have wished you would file the report.
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