Is OpenSkies BA or not?

[Locked door]

Can I please reiterate, OPENSKIES IS NOT BRITISH AIRWAYS.

Most on pprune will know the history between the two and the fact that BA pilots were specifically prevented from flying for Openskies.

Mods can we change the title of this thread so the less well informed media don't make the usual mistakes?

Many thanks

LD

[BOAC]

LD - can you confirm no seconded BA pilots there nor any seconded BA managers?

[Timothy Claypole]

Never any of the former, no longer any of the latter.

[Locked door]

I can confirm TC's answer.

No BA pilots in any capacity at Openskies.

LD

[Starbear]

OPENSKIES IS NOT BRITISH AIRWAYSOpenSkies - British Airways (http://www.britishairways.com/travel/openskies/public/en_us)

Openskies is a wholly owned subsidiary of British Airways, which has been created to take advantage of the recently liberalised air service agreement between Europe and the United States.

OpenSkies will leverage the best of BA, including Execlub Club benefits, while implementing new products and services to produce a unique and differentiated customer experience and operate non stop service between Paris and New York and Washington D.C. flying a fuel-efficient Boeing 757 aircraft with only 64 seats in a two-class configuration, with 24 seats in Biz Bed and 40 in Biz Seat.

[Birdy767]

Starbear :D :E

[oldbird]

It's not even a British airline. It's French.

[Skipness One Echo]

It's not even a British airline. It's French.

As the French tricolour proudly flying on the fin will attest to !!!!

Oh wait......

[Instant Hooligan]

Looks remarkable British Airways to me....!!!!Photos: Boeing 757-236 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/OpenSkies-(British-Airways)/Boeing-757-236/1783629/&sid=03b5d92d68af3b72dedc1d7469558271)

[Timothy Claypole]

I understand the BA pilots will short;y be flying for openskies, as usual secondees will be taking commands but OS pilots will not have access to BA, shameful bully behaviour.

If you'd like to know why OpenSkies pilots won't have access to BA you might want to ask BA why they refused BALPAs request to have all OpenSkies pilots on the master BA seniority list.

[Locked door]

This aircraft looks like a BA plane too but it 'aint. Check the reg.

ZS-OTG - British Airways (Comair) Boeing 737-400 Aircraft @ Airplane-Pictures.net (http://www.airplane-pictures.net/image11619.html)

To reiterate, Openskies has a French AOC, flies from France to the 'States and has no BA pilots, trainers or managers. BA pilots would rather the chatham flag wasn't on the fin and you can read all about that using this forums search function.

Certain elements of this forum and the media would love this to have been a BA plane but it just plain isn't, in the same way that the Continental Dash-8 crash in Buffalo a while back was actually Colgan Air operating under a codeshare agreement. The fact it was painted in Continental colours meant that Continental got the bad press in the media and I suspect most mainline Continental flightcrew would argue their training and experience levels are somewhat different.

Just my two pennies' worth.

LD

[WindSheer]

Franchise agreements and politics aside, the a/c mentioned above have 'British Airways' written on the sides.
If they are willing to accept these franchises and paint the a/c up in their colours, then British Airways have to accept the publicity that comes with any 'incidents'!!!!

:=

[Hotel Tango]

I think that's fair comment WindSheer. Joe public doesn't know or care about the intricacies of codesharing, francising etc., let alone the aircraft's registration.

[Birdy767]

BA - OPENSKIES - LAVION...Balpa, pilots strike, British AOC, French AOC, closing base, new destination, new management, low cost SOP, my gosh what a MESS :ugh: What's the point of this swallow up money project???


www.flyopenskies.com/ba_executive_club/en_us

[TopBunk]

Windsheer

You are correct, however, we here are not the general public and we should be able to point out the facts of the matter. OpenSkies was operated as a franchise of BA by a French subsidiary company, by their own pilots etc.

We know that reporters come on here and quote from here about many things aviation related. By being factual imay just mean that the reporters will actually be able to report accurately the situation to Joe Public, no?

In this instance I doubt if many column inches were taken up with the incident in any case, but the principal remains nonetheless.

[411A]

By being factual imay just mean that the reporters will actually be able to report accurately the situation to Joe Public, no?


Generally speaking...No.
The 'story' is usually better that way.:ooh:

[ZimmerFly]

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/428264-ba-subsidiary-openskies-boeing-757-high-speed-rto-wrong-flap-setting.html

Ummm....very wise decision to stop, seems to be something missing near the tail :E

https://www.flyopenskies.com/our_fleet/en_us

[BOAC]

the crew observed an inconsistency between what was seen on one of their instruments and what they expected to see.- geesh Frank! The 'Tailplane missing light is on!'

Who did the walk-round!?

A classic endorsement of BA's publicity department!

[SR71]

Thats brilliant.

Best pilots maybe (must be to fly something like that), but engineers, publicists, PR....

Hilarious.

:ugh:

[L337]

John R:

BA takes a constant pounding on this forum.

[Ops_Room_Junkie]

John R

don't understand your need to try and make that point (which is very weak) and what it add's to the debate.:confused:

This story was only posted very recently, so perhaps more posts will appear (and lets hope they contribute something positive or at least thought provoking). I have read all the posts and did not see 'people' (seems to infer numerous or at least more than 1) 'jumping up and down' (seems to infer that they are loudly and continually trying to stress that point and that point only to the detrement of other more important factors). My view from reading the posts is that it was mentioned, almost casually, in a post that was actually making other points.

I think some people are rather prone to over reaction and sensitivity :rolleyes:

[Vld1977]

Locked Door,

This aircraft looks like a BA plane too but it 'aint. Check the reg.

ZS-OTG - British Airways (Comair) Boeing 737-400 Aircraft @ Airplane-Pictures.net (http://www.airplane-pictures.net/image11619.html)

To reiterate, Openskies has a French AOC, flies from France to the 'States and has no BA pilots, trainers or managers. BA pilots would rather the chatham flag wasn't on the fin and you can read all about that using this forums search function.

Certain elements of this forum and the media would love this to have been a BA plane but it just plain isn't, in the same way that the Continental Dash-8 crash in Buffalo a while back was actually Colgan Air operating under a codeshare agreement. The fact it was painted in Continental colours meant that Continental got the bad press in the media and I suspect most mainline Continental flightcrew would argue their training and experience levels are somewhat different.

Just my two pennies' worth.

LD

I believe that Comair is a franchise (like, for example, GB airways was, or Air Nostrum is for IB), that is, an independent airline who operates their routes using the corporate image and products of another airline. Openskies, like Cityflier, is a fully owned subsidiary, that is, they are fully owned by British Airways Plc, although BA may want to run them as independent sections, with their own management, conditions and SOPs, but they ultimately make money for BA, and answer to BA´s shareholders and board.

[Denti]

To reiterate, Openskies has a French AOC, flies from France to the 'States and has no BA pilots, trainers or managers.

Is that really still true with 50% of all new commands going to BA mainline FOs?