Turkish Airlines - THY Recruitment (Merged) [Archive] - Page 5

chrispatrickGA

7th Nov 2020, 05:09

Hi guys, according to one of my friends working there on B777 , this is now the real situation in THY for expat:

Gearlever, nothing strange, all B737, A320, A330 expats pilots are on unpaid leave until end of may 2021. Only the B777 riders have got the right to keep on flying during winter and spring time... so far...
But conditions drastically changed in terms of salaries and contract: just focus on that one: salaries are still paid in TL ( local currency which has been devaluated by 500% in 6 years now 1USD is nearly 10 TL) and the average salary for a B777 captain is
40000tl when he flies... the previous contract was giving free hotel to expat or at least some housing allowance : all gone.

It means that long haul captain is finishing his month roughly with 3500 euros in THY after having paid his apart fees. I dont even mention here the case of first officers...

These are simply facts in THY about expat life.

Zymian

7th Nov 2020, 08:02

I’m not sure how you came up with those numbers.

5-6 year ago, 1 USD ~ 3.8 Lira

the current rate I 1 US - 8.4 Lira

yes, it has depreciated about 120%, not 500 as you claimed.

....economically the country is in bad shape , but let’s not exaggerate

captain8

7th Nov 2020, 18:45

Not quite.

In 2010 the lira was around 2.2 to the £
currently its around 11.5 . Thats a depreciation
of , well 500% .

depends on your starting point of reference.
Anyone whos been there for coming on 10 years knows the score. The lira sucks, has little value and the salaries are hopelessly inadequate.

I do hear rumours they are going to open up B777 recruitment though. Apparently they are very busy on this fleet, and hope to take on a few ex ME B777 trainers.

captain.weird

8th Nov 2020, 10:59

How is that even possible if all the foreigners are currently on unpaid leave?

PapaEchoIndia

8th Nov 2020, 12:58

Approximately 16000 TL for narrow body F/O. Add max 3000-4000 TL for wide body. After January, there will be another 25% cut for pilots from THY Academy.

Regarding B777 rec.; if happens, 99.9% will be from internal sources. Tons of narrow body captain/fo fly around max 10 duty days per a month.

chrispatrickGA

10th Nov 2020, 12:27

Dear Zymian,

On January 01, 2015 the Official USD to TRY Exchange Rate:Close: 1 USD = 2.3331 TRY

Best: 1 USD = 2.3331 TRY

Worst: 1 USD = 2.3331 TRY

Yet you are rignt it is now 1 euro = 10 tl and not 1 usd.

I was partially right.

Got2luvem

29th Mar 2021, 19:21

Anyone got a near to normal roster ?

mmrassi

16th May 2021, 14:43

Unpaid leave extended till end of June.

PapaEchoIndia

10th Jun 2021, 08:33

Current rosters are around 50% less of 2019.

Got2luvem

30th Jun 2021, 20:48

So 50% is better than nothing.
its good to finally start getting some money back in the bank, even though its not much , it all helps

PapaEchoIndia

9th Jul 2021, 20:32

18.45% increase to all company staff. The cut was 50% (+10% if have training debt) from flight crews.

Milio1214

10th Jul 2021, 23:26

Hi guys

Im A320 first officer with more than 6000 hrs FLT time , before corona crisis i went to upgrade course for 737 as a captain

Its been 9 months that I'm in unpaid leave and few days ago they gave me 2 option stay in unpaid leave for more than 5 months without any guarantee or take 6 salary and say good bye after 4 years working for this company , important things which will make every one angry is this , turkish airline has roughly 4700 pilot and 400 expat the only group which send to unpaid leave are expat pilots for A320,A330,B737, they are not responding to any email from expat they even cancelled all ticket allowance for the past 9 month .

I'm so angry about how they treat expat pilots and every 2week they send report or video to social media with big title ( we will succeed together) and (we didnt fired anyone )

Now you know how they succeed together by forcing expat to get unpaid leave .

Aviation industries will be raise again just keep in mind when they asked you to come and work for them.

Bubbles_dwight

11th Jul 2021, 11:17

PapaEchoIndia

Do you know what the salary is for FO and Captains? I tried looking for some figures, but I get very different results everywhere. Ranging from 12k try to 40k try for FO for example.

Asking because I'm curious about the salary development in the last years as the local currency has plummeted hard.

PapaEchoIndia

30th Jul 2021, 15:44

At the moment 16-17K for FO. For captaina around 25-30K. This is for narrow body and not 100% sure for Captains.

Before figures before the covid, double the numbers more or less.

Kaan Kublay

3rd Oct 2021, 07:47

Hi,
Does anyone know if the academy will recruit cadets to begin at the end of the year or early next year?
Thanks!

howardhuges

3rd Oct 2021, 11:51

is that even possible ?

jadrolinija

3rd Oct 2021, 14:25

Any informations about external recruitment and hiring for 2022?

bettigio

6th Oct 2021, 14:44

Milio1214

Hang in there. If you quit, they win and you lose 4 years of seniority. These 5 months will go quick.

PapaEchoIndia

12th Oct 2021, 11:02

The rumour is there is no external hire until 2023.

jadrolinija

12th Oct 2021, 11:30

Thank you!

Bjornolf

16th Oct 2021, 13:42

There are currently 1000 cadet pilots waiting to complete their training. So Turkish Airlines does not intend to recruit first officers from outsourced until 2023.

As for the need for captaincy, nearly 200 captain pilots who fly A330/A320 are waiting outside due to the bankrupting of Atlasglobal and Onur Air's lack of flight for months.

Fly4Fun

11th Mar 2023, 09:09

Anyone with updated details about the terms and conditions for Captain wide body at Turkish Airlines?

Milio1214

11th Mar 2023, 12:44

Milio1214

Hang in there. If you quit, they win and you lose 4 years of seniority. These 5 months will go quick.

Hi mate, I did the same, they called us back and I flow 847 hours for 2022, it was a hell roster, and they paid almost 4 additional salaries which was around150, 48, 40 thousand lira
1USD=19.5 Turkish lira as an average.
inflation rate in turkey is almost zero75 up to 100 percent but for living in turkey its descent salary but if you live abroad its not good at all ,for average salary as a captain with including 3 months bonus you may get between 9.500 up 11500 just bear in mind roster and crew planning is chaos

FlyHigher

13th Mar 2023, 06:56

ChipmunkDive

13th Mar 2023, 08:15

I'm considering Turkish Airlines as an open possibility to leave the gulf region, since they have the commuting for wide body. It might suit me as I would be commuting from Europe.
If some of you could shed a light about the current terms and conditions would be great!
Even though eventually the roster is a chaos, do they honor the commuting?

From my experience in Turkey, in general, they normally fall short of honoring anything. Language is always a barrier and they almost always ensure that you feel you're an outsider who's there to gobble up their resources.

FlyHigher

13th Mar 2023, 09:33

Thank you ChipmunkDive for your input. It is indeed a pity being like that!

Climbpowder

16th Mar 2023, 08:26

Bravo_Alpha

16th Mar 2023, 12:18

Are they hiring only Turkish citizen?

ChipmunkDive

16th Mar 2023, 20:04

Are they hiring only Turkish citizen?

For now, yes. It is expected they will open hiring for expats in a few months.

FBW390

17th Mar 2023, 03:36

I'm considering Turkish Airlines as an open possibility to leave the gulf region, since they have the commuting for wide body. It might suit me as I would be commuting from Europe.
If some of you could shed a light about the current terms and conditions would be great!
Even though eventually the roster is a chaos, do they honor the commuting?
Yes, they honor the commuting. For wide body Captains.

FBW390

17th Mar 2023, 03:42

From my experience in Turkey, in general, they normally fall short of honoring anything. Language is always a barrier and they almost always ensure that you feel you're an outsider who's there to gobble up their resources.

I don’t know for elsewhere but in Turkish Airlines the commuting contract, for Expat Wide Body Captains, IS honored.
Language barrier : in English in TK. In the country, sometimes a problem, yes.
Feel a stranger ? Not to much…Maybe for Expat FOs…

FlyHigher

17th Mar 2023, 20:28

Are the commuting/travel days within the 21 days ON, that way you have full 7 days OFF at home?

FlightDetent

18th Mar 2023, 10:34

At one point before the pandemic struck, some agents had been painting the narrow body THY offer as 'commutable'. IIRC it was 5 days off stringed together.

Let's protect what we have, if by simply adhering to the correct and unambiguous terms.

The previous post implies 21+7 (=6+2) as commuting, and I cry foul.

Commuting shall forever mean you don't relocate the family. 21+10 (same as the Baltic ACMI summer) or 6+3 / 4+2 is pushing it, and rather impossible in the long term to maintain proper familial relations.

3+2 / 4+3 / 18+13 / 160 off annually. That's where 'commuting' starts. The corporate is trying to sell you something entirely different.

There are 52 weekends per year. The standard work-class, blue collar (which we are from cost/yield viewpoint) pattern has
52x2 weekends
15 (3 weeks worth of vacation)
5 (statutory Bank Holidays, best guess)
= 124 days home in full
with every night in own bed in between!

Let's not insult ourselves nor our dependants that 7-per-month (84 yearly) or even 8 (96 yearly) is commuting. No, that is just insulting terminology and an outright lie, from someone who attempts not to pay the family relocation cost and associated expenses.

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The above is not THY specific.

FBW390

19th Mar 2023, 15:07

Are the commuting/travel days within the 21 days ON, that way you have full 7 days OFF at home?

21 days ON followed by 8 days off. Then 21 days ON…….

On the first day OFF you can Take the first flight to home at 8 or 9 am. Usually only 3 hrs or less to Europe. You’re home for lunch ! Thanks to Time difference !

Klimax

19th Mar 2023, 15:15

At one point before the pandemic struck, some agents had been painting the narrow body THY offer as 'commutable'. IIRC it was 5 days off stringed together.

Let's protect what we have, if by simply adhering to the correct and unambiguous terms.

The previous post implies 21+7 (=6+2) as commuting, and I cry foul.

Commuting shall forever mean you don't relocate the family. 21+10 (same as the Baltic ACMI summer) or 6+3 / 4+2 is pushing it, and rather impossible in the long term to maintain proper familial relations.

3+2 / 4+3 / 18+13 / 160 off annually. That's where 'commuting' starts. The corporate is trying to sell you something entirely different.

There are 52 weekends per year. The standard work-class, blue collar (which we are from cost/yield viewpoint) pattern has
52x2 weekends
15 (3 weeks worth of vacation)
5 (statutory Bank Holidays, best guess)
= 124 days home in full
with every night in own bed in between!

Let's not insult ourselves nor our dependants that 7-per-month (84 yearly) or even 8 (96 yearly) is commuting. No, that's an insult terminology and outright lie, from someone who attempts to not pay the family relocation cost and associated expenses.

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The above is not THY specific.

NAILED IT!

Unfortunately some people don´t understand this fact - until reality hits them, with the wife and kids being alienated and the dog looks at you as you´re a stranger!

FBW390

3rd Apr 2023, 10:45

NAILED IT!

Unfortunately some people don´t understand this fact - until reality hits them, with the wife and kids being alienated and the dog looks at you as you´re a stranger!

narrow body TK: see above
wide body TK as Captain : the question was about it: so close to Europe ! You can return for 2 days…Plus the 8 in a row of course…No problem with wife, kids and dog ! And it is not to avoid relocation! You have the pleasure to see your home, your country often!

MissChief

5th Apr 2023, 22:26

Careful up there guys. Locals can be seriously dodgy, esp LH seat. SOP's are not always adhered to. And, as for remuneration...Turkish Lira is heading to worthless.

PapaEchoIndia

12th Apr 2023, 12:49

Expat captains have block days off, so it is possible to commute. Especially if you are on wide body and live somewhere 3-4 hours away, you can also go home after ER flights.

The narrow body, is possible for block-off days but quite hard on other days, and the rostering is very chaotic.

Careful up there guys. Locals can be seriously dodgy, esp LH seat. SOP's are not always adhered to. And, as for remuneration...Turkish Lira is heading to worthless.

Which fleet are you referring to? Been flying on A320 (and recently A330) for around 5 years and haven't seen any captain "not adhering to SOP".

Aviation12345

11th May 2023, 17:25

Anybody has any idea , if they are planning to hire foreigners anytime soon ?

Ledi43

18th May 2023, 13:40

Anybody has any idea , if they are planning to hire foreigners anytime soon ?
Later this year

k.swiss

19th May 2023, 01:17

What sort of contract? Will it be for widebody?

Textonik

19th May 2023, 08:23

Anybody has any idea , if they are planning to hire foreigners anytime soon ?

You must be crazy even thinking to join this kind of company.

PapaEchoIndia

21st May 2023, 09:41

Later this year

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/turkish-airlines-set-order-600-aircraft-june-chairman-2023-05-11/

If the order is confirmed, it can start earlier.

Ledi43

21st May 2023, 19:19

If the order is confirmed, it can start earlier.
I have some doubts regarding that rumored order

eren.

31st Aug 2023, 07:23

friends recently started here, good place to start but highly disorganized. recruitment takes more than a year in some cases

flyer_a1

19th Jan 2024, 03:29

Does anyone know if they are actually hiring foreign pilots at THY? Cause it seems like they are always asking for Turkish citizens. Any insiders?

PapaEchoIndia

20th Jan 2024, 13:01

Does anyone know if they are actually hiring foreign pilots at THY? Cause it seems like they are always asking for Turkish citizens. Any insiders?

Not at the moment

flyer_a1

20th Jan 2024, 15:03

Not at the moment

Any idea or anyone else know when they’re gonna ask for foreign pilots?

Textonik

25th Jan 2024, 01:27

Seems that no option for foreign pilots will open soon. Even if you get in, expat life and way they are treated is not something someone would want

Flapsupbedsdown

25th Jan 2024, 05:50

Seems that no option for foreign pilots will open soon. Even if you get in, expat life and way they are treated is not something someone would want

Unless desperate stay away.

jadrolinija

25th Jan 2024, 07:17

Seems that no option for foreign pilots will open soon. Even if you get in, expat life and way they are treated is not something someone would want

Can anyone provide more info? As just few posts above there were reports of good atmosphere even with expats etc.. Thanks

Textonik

25th Jan 2024, 11:26

Can anyone provide more info? As just few posts above there were reports of good atmosphere even with expats etc.. Thanks

Sorry to say but except maybe good cockpit atmosphere (Also not always guaranteed) everything is against the expats.

flyer_a1

27th Jan 2024, 02:56

Sorry to say but except maybe good cockpit atmosphere (Also not always guaranteed) everything is against the expats.

assuming you may be an insider, what exactly do expats face? Because unfortunately some of us are pretty desperate just to get the hours and go somewhere better.

Den2020

26th Mar 2024, 11:29

assuming you may be an insider, what exactly do expats face? Because unfortunately some of us are pretty desperate just to get the hours and go somewhere better.

as an expat you will be treated a bit better than the turkish guys, especially regarding rostering (5 block off-days, in total and average you will have more than 8 days off per month which is not the case for turkish pilots)

Den2020

26th Mar 2024, 11:32

Can anyone provide more info? As just few posts above there were reports of good atmosphere even with expats etc.. Thanks
the conditions depend highly on the fleet you will join. you'll find the best conditions of course in the wide body fleets (B777/787 and A350), followed by A330, thereafter A320 and last & least B737 (a lot of legs and considerably less total salary plus bad destinations plus a lot of AJET flights)

Den2020

26th Mar 2024, 11:41

Careful up there guys. Locals can be seriously dodgy, esp LH seat. SOP's are not always adhered to. And, as for remuneration...Turkish Lira is heading to worthless.
yes, the lira is a pain but TK is increasing the salary on a regular basis (every 6 months).

In the last years (except during the pandemic days) in average (including all extra payments like bonuses, profit share etc)
- a F/O earns 5500 € net (narrow body) / 7000 € net (wide body) approximately
- a CPT 8500 € net (narrow) / 10500 € net (wide body and instructors)

these average payments didn't change much or even decreased a little bit in the last years

Textonik

31st Mar 2024, 08:38

yes, the lira is a pain but TK is increasing the salary on a regular basis (every 6 months).

In the last years (except during the pandemic days) in average (including all extra payments like bonuses, profit share etc)
- a F/O earns 5500 € net (narrow body) / 7000 € net (wide body) approximately
- a CPT 8500 € net (narrow) / 10500 € net (wide body and instructors)

these average payments didn't change much or even decreased a little bit in the last years

Again bunch of bull***, average FO pay was less than €4500 /5500, NB captains were below €7000 until recently. By that time the cost of living went 3x up as inflation soared.

Tufan

5th Apr 2024, 10:14

Can anyone provide more info? As just few posts above there were reports of good atmosphere even with expats etc.. Thanks

atmosphere is friendly, salary is not bad, you'll be fine against the inflation, the location is close to europe and there are more than 1 flight to most destinations. moreover istanbul is a huge city with lots of opportunities for social life. If you are looking to build hours, I recommend. B737 fleet has too many sectors unfortunately. We are expecting it will be better for good in 1.5 years when AJET operations are over. Also you'll have widebody upgrade opportunity even if you start at Narrow Body