Engine out on Iceland Express charter aircraft, landing at Gatwick

[ashland]

Have you guys more info on this, the article in Icelandic media does not say
name of operator nor type of aircraft, just that it was a charter aircraft flying
from Alicante to Keflavik, Iceland, and had an engine shutdown or failure and
had to land at Gatwick. Newsclip does however say that it was not their aircraft,
as if they ever had one, and that the company would not do business with this
company again, lots of cudos from pax after IEX reception in KEF with vouchers for
free travel from iceland Express etc:

Vísir - Þurfti að lenda vegna bilunar í hreyfli (http://www.visir.is/article/20091023/FRETTIR01/137217499)

and

Vísir - Farþegi á Gatwick: Flugfreyjunum var brugðið (http://www.visir.is/article/20091023/FRETTIR01/311065398)

A delay of 4 hours until a new aircraft was available, probably from AEU
based at Gatwick.

[RingwaySam]

According to the avhearld it was G-STRW:

Incident: Astraeus B752 near Brest on Oct 23rd 2009, engine failure (http://avherald.com/h?article=421a939a&opt=0)

[757_Driver]

well I can't comment on the newspaper article as I don't speak Icelandic. However all iceland express aircraft are operated by AEU on the AEU AOC, so I suspect they will be using AEU aircraft again, just like they were this morning and will be tomorrow.

There is alot of politics in iceland between IEX and Icelandair, the latter not liking their toes being trodden on, so perhaps there is some underlying stirring going on here

[k88]

I don't speak Icelandic either, but if you follow the link to the article, and use Google translate - it appears to say-
"Matthias said he does not expect the same engine would be used again in the charter by the airline."
(As opposed to referring to using the actual Airline.)

[sunnybunny]

"Matthias said he does not expect the same engine would be used again in the charter by the airline."


Just out of curiosity, what happens to failed engines and where is a replacement obtained from.

Are they repaired and fitted back onto aircraft in a fleet assuming they do their own maintenance? Do big airlines have spare engines lying around?

Is there a second hand reconditioned engine market with hangers full of spare engines.

[TeachMe]

Hate to be mean but even this lowly SLF knows that that answer about reusing an engine depends fully on the nature of the failure! Blow an oil pipe, fix it, shatter a disc, no engine left to repair!

Please consider your question a bit more before posting as we need to keep our already low image as good as possible on this site. :(

[OD100]

Depends upon why the engine failed. Most large outfits have spares. Weather or not the engine is repaired in-house also depends on who owns the engine, if the engine is on a maintenance plan, etc...

Many large outfits lease the engines and pay a flat-rate by the hour for a maintenance plan.

If an operator experiences an un-contained catastrophic failure, then you can expect the engine to go back to the manufacture for analysis.

[11Fan]

Sunnybunny, the following response are "typical"

Just out of curiosity, what happens to failed engines and where is a replacement obtained from.

Depends on the nature of the failure. More often than not, a repair is made and the engine is rotated back into service. Many airlines have replacement engines in inventory (coming out of above mentioned repair) or access to replacement engines in arrangements with engine manufacturers or maintenance providers

Are they repaired and fitted back onto aircraft in a fleet assuming they do their own maintenance? Do big airlines have spare engines lying around?.

Yes, as a rule, but not necessarily right away, even if someone else is doing their maintenance. Also, the same engine does not have to back on the same airplane. They move around quite a bit. That way, you can put the airplane back into service. No point waiting around for an engine, eh? We got a beauty right over here for ya Governor. ;);)

Is there a second hand reconditioned engine market with hangers full of spare engines.

Full, no, but there are lot of aircraft in the Southwestern USA desert. That said, engines are available. I wouldn't say there's hangars full of them, but they are available. The usual headache is if the aircraft is not at its home (maintenance) base. Then they have to get one to the aircraft.

Otherwise, it's really not that big of a deal. Really.


Oh, and Teachme, My God, learn some manners. :=

[jammydonut]

Remember the days when Laker, Virgin, carried a wing mounted 5th spare engine incase of repairs down the route

[11Fan]

Remember the days when Laker, Virgin, carried a wing mounted 5th spare engine incase of repairs down the route


Actually, no, can't say I do. It's been done, but not as a matter of routine, to my knowledge, but what do I know.

[JW411]

"Remember the days when Laker, Virgin, carried a wing mounted 5th spare engine incase of repairs down the route".

So are you suggesting that Laker routinely carried a spare 5th engine in case of "problems down the route"? In that case, I would like to know what you are on for I think your memory is somewhat defective.

The only four-engine aeroplanes that Laker ever operated were a couple of Britannia 102s, two Boeing 707-138s (ex-QANTAS and Eagle)and two Boeing 707-351s (ex-Northwest Orient and Cathay). The Britannia was not capable of carrying an extra engine except inside and I do not ever recall seeing one of the 707s ever carrying a spare engine.

Mind you, I was only a DC-10 captain with Laker and we would have been sorely pushed to have carried a 5th engine!

[11Fan]

Pleased to meet you JW. Thanks to Sir Freddie, the 10 lived on after a couple of bad days.

MDC guy

[cessna24]

I have seen pictures on A.net of a B747 carrying a spare inboard of the No2 Eng. But I think it was a Boeing Company aircraft, not a Commercial airliner.
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/9/2/4/0289429.jpg
Actually, its a Qantas. Look just forward of the exhaust cone on Eng 2

[Mr Angry from Purley]

JW
Went on a DC10 to Jeddah on the Haj with a spare engine but that's about the only time :\

[Fenders]

Remember on several occasions seeing a WardAir B747 carrying a 5th engine when operating into/out of Gatwick many moons ago.

[Bigt]

I think airlines dont move engines around so much as they did....mainly because they are more reliable now.

Would I be correct is saying that the Ward Air 747 may have been moving an engine for another carrier. Not sure if all 747s had the wing mounting points to do this

[The Real Slim Shady]

Why does a 747 have 4 engines?

There isn't space for 5 and 6!

[ficrew]

Wow. You guys know how to drown out a thread. Did any of you read the question that the guy was asking about who started this thread?
Do you know anything about it? No? Then why write something. To many times have I seen threads go so off the point that it just makes reading them boring and tiring.
Hey maybe the Northwest guys where reading some of these posts enroute to MSP....

[StallBoy]

If you had five engines on a 747 wouldn't it fly around in circles??:confused:

[11Fan]

Wow. You guys know how to drown out a thread. Did any of you read the question that the guy was asking about who started this thread?
Do you know anything about it? No? Then why write something. To many times have I seen threads go so off the point that it just makes reading them boring and tiring.

You were saying? :suspect:

Other than your "reference" to the OP, you added nothing yourself. There's other things to do if we're boring you.

[VS1711]

No-one ever ferried a fifth engine "just in case". When it's done, it's usually in support of an AOG aircraft as the drag of having an additional dead engine dangling in the breeze makes it's a very inefficient way to move an engine.

First choice to move an engine is by scheduled freighter, but if you have an aircraft grounded you might look at using a fifth pod (if you have an aircraft that can do it) as a cheaper option than chartering a freighter.

[wiggy]

VS... :ok:


Just to help clear the "fifth pod" issue - it wasn't that mysterious on the 747, but it wasn't done very often. I've seen it done once, when a 747-400 on a commercial, passenger flight carried a fifth pod to faciliate an engine change with a fellow company 747-400 had lost an engine going into an "exotic" destination.

[sunnybunny]

Thanks OD100 and 11fan you answered my question.

I had assumed that a component on an engine would be replaced in situ where possible, but the wording 'failed' i took to mean the engine as a whole was unusable with major component damage and possibly beyond economic repair when removed. I was enquiring about when that happened.

I wasn't aware that engines could be on a maintenance plan as a seperate item to the aircraft itself but thinking about it makes sense.

Thanks

[Love_joy]

In the good ol' days, Aer Lingus ferried replacement engines out to AOG 747's in "exotic destinations" on occasion.

Citation required; but I remember reading somewhere (take that with a pinch of salt) but the 747 was prep'd with a mounting point for a 5th pylon, and a 5th engine - which was mounted with an aerodynamic cover for the front.

(Decided to do some Googleing before hitting 'post', and came across this gem; Aer Lingus 747 with 5th Engine (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aer-Lingus/Boeing-747-130/0783444/&sid=be3c7837f157d433c9b0c00fad7d49f7).

[wiggy]

"but I remember reading somewhere (take that with a pinch of salt) but the 747 was prep'd with a mounting point for a 5th pylon, and a 5th engine - which was mounted with an aerodynamic cover for the front."

That's pretty much it; there's a mounting point inboard of number 2 engine, and as I remember it a cover was used for the core and the fan blades were removed and carried in the hold.

As an aside in the case I was involved in, mentioned above, we took over the "fifth podder" when it arrived at our exotic destination to do a "shuttle" sector - once the pod had been removed. Despite multiple PAs explaining the "pod" we nearly had a riot when those passengers who stayed onboard during the transit spotted our ground team removing one of "their" engines...... :bored:

[llccafr]

"I don't speak Icelandic either, but if you follow the link to the article, and use Google translate - it appears to say-
"Matthias said he does not expect the same engine would be used again in the charter by the airline."
(As opposed to referring to using the actual Airline.)"

This translation is wrong. It´s saying that the company (Iceland Express - web based ticket selling agency) is not going to use this chartered aircraft again....

Iceland Express is not an airline, just to make it clear. This aircraft is Astreus aircraft and will surely be used again by this website (icelandexpress.bull):ugh:

[frieghtdog2000]

There was a famous occasion in a very big airline where a fifth pod ferry on the early Classic 747 was organised to retrieve an AOG in Nairobi. Not enough range to get there direct so planned via Rome. Unfortunately engine failure on descent into Rome - at least they had a spare on board! :ok:

[avionic type]

If my memory is correct B.A. carried a 4th pod engine on their Tristars to get a U/S a/c serviceable down the line the Tristar was capable of carrying one . but it was "blanked off" to stop it rotating in flight , the fuel load was to put more fuel in the opposite wing to couterbalance the weight of the engine and we had to change the postion of the plastic markers on the A.S.I to adjust V1 ,V2 V.R speeds

[interestedparty]

I recall that the Air India 747 lost off Ireland was carrying a fifth engine.

[Heidhurtin]

I remember seeing a BA 747 carrying a spare engine into the Falkland Islands (Mount Pleasant Airport - don't know the code). The airbridge route was operated by BA using 747's but the RAF were about to take over the service using Tristars. Apparently the L1011 wouldn't have the range carrying a spare engine (don't know if it even had the ability to carry one) so BA carried a L1011 engine down for them. I did have a picture of it on approach, long lost now. Must've been 1984-85 ish. I used to think it was one hell of a "sticky tape job" until somebody pointed out it was designed in by Boeing! :uhoh: