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Greg2041

28th Mar 2009, 18:39

Does anyone know where I can find a link to any CAA documents listing ex-military jets than can be flown in the civilian world (UK specific)?

Greg

Greg2041

28th Mar 2009, 19:17

Oops. Possibly should be in the military section but can't swop over. Sorry!

'Chuffer' Dandridge

28th Mar 2009, 19:34

This may help:

CAP632 (http://www.caa.co.uk/cap632)

Greg2041

28th Mar 2009, 20:44

Some interesting reading. Thank you.

Is there a document which specifies which ones actually have a permit to fly? I know the Hunter, Gnat and Provost are on the list but what about others?

Greg

sycamore

28th Mar 2009, 21:18

L29/39/59/Iskra/Mig 15/17/21/Vampire/Venom/Meteor/Canberra/Gannet/SeaVixen/Tucano/Vulcan.....

k12479

29th Mar 2009, 00:33

Don't think a MiG 21, L59 or Tucano has ever had a permit to fly. T33s and Sabres have though.

Link below shows a list of jet type rating exemptions, which is pretty much the same as a list of jets with permits to fly. Think a Bronco has also flown since.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/224/CAP632%20newsletter%203%20SPRING%202007.pdf

Greg2041

29th Mar 2009, 14:43

Thanks for the link k12479 . I guess we can all dream. Now back to my PPL MET studies.

Greg

VMC-on-top

28th Apr 2010, 12:40

I understand the required hours for converting from a PPL to an ex military jet are circa 5 - 10 hours. Sounds incredibly low? From a 100kt spam can to a 300kt+ jet in 5 hours?

Nevertheless, is there a minimum number of required / recommended hours on SEP before converting to a ex-mil jet?

From what I can see, JP's seem the best, most (and I use the term loosely!) economical ex mil jets around at circa £300p/h for mk 3? But, they are old, no ejection seats, complex systems etc.

Any thoughts or advice?

Fake Sealion

28th Apr 2010, 15:36

culloden

28th Apr 2010, 17:30

In the early 70s i joined the RAF with a PPL and 60 hrs on C150s through a flying scholarship and local flying club and bypassed the Chipmunk course and went straight onto the JP Mk 3.
It was however quite hard work!

Greg2041

28th Apr 2010, 20:36

And, I am told, very tight if you are more than 6ft tall. Out of interest, does the Hunter offer any more legroom?

I did sit in a Lightning once and boy was that tight. :bored:

Greg

Fake Sealion

29th Apr 2010, 12:56

I'm 6' 1" and found the Hunter quite roomy.

Human Factor

29th Apr 2010, 16:22

Any thoughts or advice?

Insurance requirements are likely to play a large part in what you would or would not be permitted to do. To a certain extent this would be almost irrespective of the CAA's own requirements and potentially more restrictive.

For example, if you held a PPL but were a former RAF fast jet pilot, the insurer would probably take a more lenient view than if you were a 100 hour PPL with no prior experience.

ShyTorque

29th Apr 2010, 16:58

Stand to be corrected, but I believe that for a time the RAF started their trainee pilots straight onto the Jet Provost rather than SEP.

Not sure how long this lasted or whether there may have been a short Chipmunk "screening" course before hand.

You are correct and there was no Chipmunk screening course before RAF training on JPs began. At least that was the case in the late 1970s when I went through the system.