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eikido
8th Nov 2008, 13:14
I just heard you can listen to music while flying. I find that very important for me.

How does that work ? Will the headset (system) lower the volume of the music when ATC speaks to you?

Are there any headsets with "ducking" feature? That is lowering the volume of the music when ATC speaks to you.

Eikido

DBate
8th Nov 2008, 13:19
Never heard of someone doing that at work. And prohibited - at least at the comany I am working for. Personally I think it's unprofessional.

In fact - it cost some guy his job when he was cought by the check captain listening to music while flying the yearly line check (ok, it was one of many things that finally led to his dismissal). :ugh:

Regards,
DBate

Piper19
8th Nov 2008, 13:22
How would you do that? I know that you can tune the ADF to a music station. But that's mostly bad quality reception. You can use an mp3 player, but that's not really safe while also using atc, unless your name is Maverick and you fly F-14's in a movie.

eikido
8th Nov 2008, 13:26
oh :eek:. Is it the same while training? I was thinking more while i'm hourbuilding during training. Maybe that's prohibited too?

My friend told me his friend had a headset and listened to music all the time while hourbuilding.

Maybe it's illegal, i'm not sure. You know better than me, that's why i'm asking :\

Eikido

bucket_and_spade
8th Nov 2008, 13:38
I think you're talking about light aircraft - the guys in the Private Flying forum will have lots of good info for you.

I'm pretty sure there's a way of rigging up a music player which cuts out if there's R/T traffic. Failing that, as has been said, you can tune radio stations on the ADF. I spent many a VFR cross-country nav in the states with Arizona Gold on in the background - all the hits, no commercials! :ok:

electricdeathjet
8th Nov 2008, 13:49
You obviously have not watched Iron Eagle recently, I cant fly unless I have Queen blasting away in the back ground.....:cool:

Rainboe
8th Nov 2008, 13:53
Eikido, along with having some very extraordinary ideas and opinions about aeroplanes, I'm now getting alarmed at some of the things you are now saying. Are you really going to listen to Lordi or some other rubbish while you fly? I just hope I never have to share the same piece of sky as you! If this practice is going on, I suggest you should do far more useful things with your flying, like listening to the engine and ATC and concentrating on your flying, and save the music for other times!

Capt Pit Bull
8th Nov 2008, 14:00
Such facilities are available, they are a function of the intercom system rather than headset though. A number of available GA boxs provide this.

Whether its a good idea to be using it if you are part of the flight crew is a totally different question.

pb

Mercenary Pilot
8th Nov 2008, 14:29
I wouldn't ever use one when operating a commercial flight in controlled airspace but I don't see any problems with going out into the open FIR, tuning into a quiet frequency and then conducting some aerobatics to your favourite piece of music!

eikido, the system cuts out the music completely when your radio ether Tx or Rx, so listening to it in busy airspace would be absolutly pointless anyway.

BelArgUSA
8th Nov 2008, 14:33
As far as music, I would recommend Chopin, Brahms, or Liszt, for piano, or some piano concerto from Rachmaninoff. Maybe you could also take a keyboard with you, put airplane on autopilot, and practice piano playing.
xxx
Alternatives, are (maybe) knitting socks, playing chess with ATC, I personally recommend you games of cards for convenience, besides playing the music. If you get bored, go jogging on the wing, but a parachute is suggested.
xxx
Sorry Eikido, no experience with the above, but I am certain you should inquire for ATPL training at the Stockholm or Goteborg music academies.
xxx
I have a Bosendorfer concert grand piano at home... nearly 100 years old, but I plan to update it with FMC to read the music. Just heavy to pack it with my flight kit.
xxx
:E
Happy contrails on a rhapsody...

hetfield
8th Nov 2008, 14:44
BelArgUSA

SPOT ON!

:D:D:D:O:)

411A
8th Nov 2008, 16:05
Across Africa MF from Italy is nice at 0200Z.
I have a nice list of music stations, for all-night flying, together with BBC news, quite enjoyable.
Also use the HF for aeronautical mobile contacts on the amateur radio bands...20 meters works good, most nights.

eikido
8th Nov 2008, 16:46
Why are you all getting so angry at me, i'm just asking. :{

Rainboe
8th Nov 2008, 17:55
It's not like that idiot teenager in the Iron Eagle movie who can only fly an F16 with hard rock through his earphones, flying is a potentially dangerous activity for you and others sharing the same airspace. Give aviation respect and you improve your chances. It is idiotic and irresponsible to fly with music. It really doesn't mix. The iPod generation doesn't seem to know it, but it has a real concentration problem. Give your flying your full attention and save the music to unwind with later!

187nj
8th Nov 2008, 18:08
Rainboe: It is idiotic and irresponsible to fly with music. It really doesn't mix.

Depends what style of music you have; I recommend something electronic like 4/4 house or drum and bass for a good blend while flying, you don't have to think about the beats or time signature as much. It would be idiotic to try and mix electro with soul when flying, your beats would be all over the shop!

Loose rivets
8th Nov 2008, 19:11
This is a subject that I've given considerable thought to. I can't listen to music and do anything that requires real concentration. Even driving, I have to be very selective about the times that the radio goes on.


Shopping in a large store is a misery for me - if I have to listen to that liquid s:mad:e that they pump out at their customers. However, some people are different. I would suggest that they have little appreciation for good music, and they just let the trivial dross flow past them unprocessed - at any significant level at least.


Flying takes concentration of a particular sort. Critical phases, we all know that if you have a moment to spare, you shouldn't have...but even in the cruise, part of the mind needs to continually be soaking up all the clues. Until you are experienced, that will mean not diverting your attention, however boring that bit of the flight seems.

Even when experienced, part of the mind has to be permanently open to the more obscure clues that might be a portent to aviation's gotchas. These become automatic to some extent, but this is where the difference in people starts to show. I really concentrate on music...it soaks up far too much of my tiny brain. Mind you, if I heard a 100 year old Bosendorfer, I would know it's thick and thunderous tones immediately. I pride myself that I would also know if it was in tune. Too much of a diversion for me.

I would suggest, that while learning, or in the early stages of professional flying, NO being tempted by entertainment devices of any sort. Even the time messing with it's controls, might be a moment you'd wish you hadn't.

The first time I can remember putting my head down into the office of my training aircraft, was nearly catastrophic. When I looked up, the tail of a Tri-Pacer went under me, close enough for the aerial to touch. I was under radar control, and they hadn't seen him. Concentrate, concentrate, concentrate, until you've developed a part of your brain that does it automatically.

NoNameRecord
8th Nov 2008, 19:47
If it helps:


Freq Station NameTx Location

1395 Khz Trans World Radio - Evenings Albania
1458 Khz Flake Albania
531 Khz Ain Beida Algeria
549 Khz Les Trembles Algeria
891 Khz Algiers Algeria
981 Khz Alger Algeria
1170 Khz Lipacy Belarus
1125 Khz La Louviere Belgium
540 Khz VRT Radio Belgium
621 Khz RTBF Radio 1 Belgium
927 Khz VRT Radio 1 Belgium
1188 Khz Kuurne Belgium
1233 Khz Liege Belgium
1512 Khz Radio Flanders/Radio Netherlands Belgium
774 Khz Sofia Bulgaria
1224 Khz Vidin Bulgaria
1296 Khz Kardzali Bulgaria
1008 Khz SER Canaries/Spain
1125 Khz Deanovec Croatia
1134 Khz Croatian Radio Croatia
639 Khz Prahal (Liblice) Czech
900 Khz Brno (CRo2) Czech Rep
954 Khz Brno (CRo2) Czech Rep
1287 Khz Radio Free Europe Czech Republic
1062 Khz D.R. Radio 2 Denmark
819 Khz Batra Egypt
864 Khz Santah Egypt
531 Khz Utvarp Foroya Faroe Islands
558 Khz Espoo Finland
963 Khz Radio Finland Finland
585 Khz Paris (FIP) France
603 Khz Lyon France
711 Khz Radio Bleue France
738 Khz Paris France
792 Khz Limoges France
819 Khz Toulouse France
837 Khz Nancy France
864 Khz Radio Bleue France
945 Khz Toulouse France
963 Khz Paris France
1071 Khz Radio France France
1071 Khz Brest France
1071 Khz Lille France
1161 Khz Strasbourg (Flnt) France
1206 Khz Bordeaux France
1242 Khz Marseille France
1278 Khz Strasbourg France
1350 Khz Nancy/Nice France
1377 Khz Radio Bleue France
1404 Khz Brest France
1494 Khz Clermont Ferrand France
558 Khz Rostock (NDR) Germany
567 Khz Berlin Germany
756 Khz Braunschweig (DLF) Germany
1188 Khz Reichenbach (MDR) Germany
520 Khz HOF/Hurzburg Germany
531 Khz Leipzig Germany
549 Khz Thurnau (DLF) Germany
576 Khz Muhlacker (SDR) Germany
594 Khz Frankfurt Germany
657 Khz Neubrandenburg (NDR) Germany
666 Khz Messkirch Rohrd (SWF) Germany
702 Khz Flensburg (NDR) Germany
711 Khz Heidelburg Germany
783 Khz Leipzig (MDR) Germany
792 Khz Lingen (NDR) Germany
801 Khz Munchen Ismaning Germany
828 Khz Hanover (NDR) Germany
855 Khz Berlin Germany
873 Khz American Forces Radio Germany
936 Khz Bremen Germany
972 Khz Nord Rundfunk Germany
990 Khz Berlin Germany
999 Khz Schwerin (RIAS) Germany
1017 Khz Rheinsender (SWF) Germany
1044 Khz Dresden (MDR) Germany
1107 Khz AFN Germany
1143 Khz Stuttgart (AFN) Germany
1197 Khz Voice of America (Relay) Germany
1269 Khz Neumunster (DLF) Germany
1323 Khz W'brunn (V Russia) Germany
1422 Khz Deutschlandfunk Germany
1539 Khz Trans World Radio/ERF Germany
1593 Khz Voice Of America/Radio Free Europe Germany
1044 Khz Thessaloniki Greece
1386 Khz Athens Greece
675 Khz Radio 10 Gold Holland
828 Khz Rotterdam Holland
1008 Khz NOS Radio 5 Holland
1224 Khz Lelystad Holland
540 Khz Solt Hungary
1188 Khz Szolnok Hungary
1251 Khz Marcali Hungary
1341 Khz Lakihegy Hungary
1350 Khz Pecs Hungary
1368 Khz Manx Radio Isle of Man
1449 Khz Squinzano Italy
657 Khz Napoli Italy
846 Khz RAI Radio 2 Italy
900 Khz RAI Radio 1 Italy
936 Khz Venezia Italy
1116 Khz Bari Italy
1332 Khz Rome Italy
1575 Khz Genova Italy
801 Khz Ajlun Jordan
576 Khz Riga Latvia
1350 Khz Cesvaine/Kuldiga Latvia
666 Khz Sitkunai (R. Vilnius) Lithuania
1440 Khz RTL Luxembourg
999 Khz Grigoriopol Moldova
702 Khz Monte Carlo Monaco
1467 Khz Trans World Radio Monaco
540 Khz Sidi Bennour Morocco
594 Khz Oujda-1 Morocco
612 Khz Sebaa Aioun Morocco
711 Khz Laayoune Morocco
1044 Khz Sebaa-Aioun Morocco
747 Khz NOS Radio 1 Netherlands
891 Khz Huisberg Netherlands
1251 Khz Huisberg Netherlands
1395 Khz Business Radio - Daytime Netherlands
774 Khz Enniskillen (BBC) Northern Ireland
720 Khz Lisnagarvey (BBC4) Northern Ireland
1341 Khz Lisnagarvey (BBC) Northern Ireland
630 Khz Vigra Norway
1314 Khz NRK Prog 1 Norway
738 Khz Poznan Poland
819 Khz Warsaw Poland
1080 Khz Katowice Poland
1206 Khz Wroclaw Poland
1305 Khz Rzeszow Poland
1503 Khz Stargard Poland
594 Khz Muge Portugal
666 Khz Lisboa Portugal
720 Khz Norte Portugal
783 Khz Miramar (R.Porto) Portugal
981 Khz Coimbra Portugal
1035 Khz Lisbon (Prog 3) Portugal
927 Khz Evora (RRE) Portugal 1
567 Khz RTE Radio 1 Republic of Ireland
612 Khz RTE Radio '2FM' Republic of Ireland
729 Khz Cork (RTE 1) Republic of Ireland
963 Khz Tir Chonaill Republic of Ireland
1278 Khz RTE Radio '2FM' Republic of Ireland
1152 Khz Cluj Romania
1089 Khz Krasnodar Russia
1143 Khz Bolshakovo (Mayak) Russia
1386 Khz Voice of Russia Russia
1494 Khz St Petersburg Russia
1521 Khz Duba Saudi Arabia
783 Khz Dammam Saudi Arabia
1440 Khz Damman Saudi Arabia
1098 Khz Slovak Radio Slovakia
1521 Khz Kosice (Cizatice) Slovakia
549 Khz Beli Kriz Slovenia
918 Khz Plesivec (Sloven'nR) Slovenia
558 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
567 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
576 Khz Barcelona (RNE5) Spain
954 Khz Madrid (CI) Spain
1026 Khz SER Spain
1602 Khz Vitoria (EI) Spain
531 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
585 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
603 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
612 Khz Radio Nacional Spain
621 Khz Radio Nacional Spain
621 Khz Barcelona (OCR) Spain
639 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
648 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
657 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
684 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
693 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
702 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
711 Khz Murcia (COPE) Spain
729 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
738 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
747 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
756 Khz Bilbao (EI) Spain
774 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
792 Khz Sevilla (SER) Spain
801 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
810 Khz Madrid (SER) Spain
828 Khz Barcelona (SER) Spain
837 Khz COPE Spain
855 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
864 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
873 Khz Zaragoza (SER) Spain
882 Khz COPE Spain
900 Khz COPE Spain
918 Khz Madrid (R Int) Spain
936 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
972 Khz Radio Nacional 1 Spain
990 Khz R Bilbao (SER) Spain
999 Khz Madrid (COPE) Spain
1017 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
1044 Khz S. Sebastian (SER) Spain
1053 Khz Zaragoza (COPE) Spain
1071 Khz Bilbao (EI) Spain
1080 Khz SER Spain
1098 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
1107 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
1116 Khz Pontevedra (SER) Spain
1125 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
1134 Khz COPE Spain
1143 Khz COPE Spain
1152 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
1179 Khz SER Spain
1260 Khz SER Spain
1269 Khz COPE Spain
1287 Khz Lerida (SER) Spain
1296 Khz Valencia (COPE) Spain
1305 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
1341 Khz Terrasa (SER) Spain
1359 Khz Radio Nacional Espana-FS Spain
1413 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
1485 Khz SER Spain
1503 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
1539 Khz Valladolid (SER) Spain
1575 Khz SER Spain
1584 Khz SER Spain
1602 Khz SER Spain
1179 Khz Radio Sweden Sweden
531 Khz Beromunster Switzerland
765 Khz Sottens Switzerland
1566 Khz Sarnen Switzerland
630 Khz Tunis-Djedeida Tunisia
1431 Khz Kopani Ukraine
1251 Khz Dubai United Arab Emirates
1476 Khz Dubai United Arab Emirates
1107 Khz Talk Radio United Kingdom
1215 Khz Virgin Radio United Kingdom
585 Khz Dumfries (BBC Scotland) United Kingdom
603 Khz Newcastle (BBC) United Kingdom
648 Khz Orfordness (BBC) United Kingdom
657 Khz Wrexham (BBC Wales) United Kingdom
693 Khz Droitwich (BBC5) United Kingdom
720 Khz Lots Rd, London (BBC4) United Kingdom
756 Khz Redruth (BBC) United Kingdom
792 Khz Londonderry (BBC) United Kingdom
810 Khz BBC Radio Scotland United Kingdom
873 Khz Enniskillen (R Ulster) United Kingdom
882 Khz Washford (BBC Wales) United Kingdom
909 Khz BBC Radio 5 United Kingdom
909 Khz BBC Radio 5 United Kingdom
990 Khz Redmoss (BBC) United Kingdom
990 Khz Tywyn (BBC) United Kingdom
1053 Khz Talk Radio United Kingdom
1089 Khz Talk Radio United Kingdom
1125 Khz Llandrindod Wells United Kingdom
1197 Khz Virgin Radio United Kingdom
1233 Khz Virgin Radio United Kingdom
1296 Khz Orfordness (BBC) United Kingdom
1449 Khz Redmoss (BBC) United Kingdom
1530 Khz Vatican Radio Vatican
684 Khz Avala (Beograd-1) Yugoslavia

:E

Fly safe

BelArgUSA
8th Nov 2008, 19:48
Now, gentlemen, please be nice.
Eikido is an expert in asking unexpected questions somewhat related to aviation.
xxx
His next question might be how to do birth control when joining the mile-high club.
Or maybe, how to get seaplane rating with a "underwater basket weaving degree".
I suspect he has a very high NAM/1000 in Aquavit at times.
Lean your mixture, dear Eikido...
xxx
:E
Happy contrails

flywestjetcr
8th Nov 2008, 20:26
One of my co-workers was called on to the carpet for splicing his headset wire, affixing a plug and then attaching and listening to his iPod while flying. While our SOP's do not specifically say "no" (nor should they have to), I understand that when he left the DFO's office it was very clear to him...stop doing it or find a new job! This at a major airline.

For all the reason's stated by other's...not a good idea.

draughtsman99
8th Nov 2008, 20:28
Why are you all getting so angry at me, i'm just asking.??????????


I do NOT want you flying over my house while you are listening to music.
I have come close enough (geographically) to an 'unexpected' landing to realise you need all your senses concentrated on just keeping the thing in the air without the distraction of music.
If you cannot fly without your music then go as SLF.

draughtsman99
8th Nov 2008, 21:11
Too bad pal, I do not even do flight sim (boring stuff). But I do live under the path of rookie pilots who I would rather paid attention to keeeping their bus in the air rather than listening to music.
I suspect that the OP is not cruising longhaul but wants to 'enhance' his local flying with a bit of 'Top Gun' nonsense.

Denti
8th Nov 2008, 21:20
It really depends actually. Not without reason at least one kinda big supplier of aviation headsets offers models (http://www.lightspeedaviation.com/content.cfm/Products/Zulu) with the possibility to connect them to MP3 players and mobile phones, the latter actually wireless via bluetooth. I can't really see the big harm if flying VFR to listen to some music.

I wouldn't dream to do it on the job, that is work and not recreation, but chugging along in a nice little biplane just for fun the right music can certainly enhance the situation.

Capt Claret
8th Nov 2008, 21:31
Such an innocent question followed by some emotional answers.

I challenge some one to provide a reference to the illegality of listening to music whilst flying. I doubt many Operations manuals even have a reference, and whilst company SOPs are important, I don't consider that a SOP reference is a matter of law.

IMHO, if I can have a conversation with the FO and/or cabin crew and listen to the radio, I can probably function quite well with some soft background music.

Dozza2k
8th Nov 2008, 22:42
is anyone else still sad about the demise of 675 Arrow Classic rock? The dutch knew how to rock/ I used to love listening to those gems. Its still on FM, but thats no good to us!

ahramin
9th Nov 2008, 02:52
Eikido the Sennheiser HMEC 46-B-K headset has an audio input in the battery box. This can be plugged into any normal mp3 player and many mobile phones. If you are looking for a general aviation headset with audio inputs the Telex Stratus 50-D is the best available.

While I am not surprised that many on this forum find it impossible to listen to music and keep the aircraft in the air at the same time, the amount of vitriol directed at those of us who do listen to audio / do crosswords / read aircraft manuals while flying seems excessive.

How else am I going to keep up to date on BBC 4's Best of Natural History Radio?

hetfield
9th Nov 2008, 04:42
In Germany the GEZ (Gebuehreneinzugszentrale), kind of money ripper for musician's legal rights, likes guys/gals listening to ADF as a radio........

Denti
9th Nov 2008, 07:33
They lost the relevant court case about 10 years ago though.

oboema
9th Nov 2008, 09:21
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675 AM Arrow <not anymore>
747 AM Radio 5
891 AM Radio 538
1116 AM Radio Bloemendaal
828 AM CAZ
1251 AM Radio 5
1332 AM HOT Radio
1395 AM BIG L
1485 AM Haagstad Radio
1512 AM Wereld omroep
1602 AM Radio Waddenzee / Radio Seagull
Freq Station NameTx Location
1395 Khz Trans World Radio - Evenings Albania
1458 Khz Flake Albania
531 Khz Ain Beida Algeria
549 Khz Les Trembles Algeria
891 Khz Algiers Algeria
981 Khz Alger Algeria
1170 Khz Lipacy Belarus
1125 Khz La Louviere Belgium
540 Khz VRT Radio Belgium
621 Khz RTBF Radio 1 Belgium
927 Khz VRT Radio 1 Belgium
1188 Khz Kuurne Belgium
1233 Khz Liege Belgium
1512 Khz Radio Flanders/Radio Netherlands Belgium
774 Khz Sofia Bulgaria
1224 Khz Vidin Bulgaria
1296 Khz Kardzali Bulgaria
1008 Khz SER Canaries/Spain
1125 Khz Deanovec Croatia
1134 Khz Croatian Radio Croatia
639 Khz Prahal (Liblice) Czech
900 Khz Brno (CRo2) Czech Rep
954 Khz Brno (CRo2) Czech Rep
1287 Khz Radio Free Europe Czech Republic
1062 Khz D.R. Radio 2 Denmark
819 Khz Batra Egypt
864 Khz Santah Egypt
531 Khz Utvarp Foroya Faroe Islands
558 Khz Espoo Finland
963 Khz Radio Finland Finland
585 Khz Paris (FIP) France
603 Khz Lyon France
711 Khz Radio Bleue France
738 Khz Paris France
792 Khz Limoges France
819 Khz Toulouse France
837 Khz Nancy France
864 Khz Radio Bleue France
945 Khz Toulouse France
963 Khz Paris France
1071 Khz Radio France France
1071 Khz Brest France
1071 Khz Lille France
1161 Khz Strasbourg (Flnt) France
1206 Khz Bordeaux France
1242 Khz Marseille France
1278 Khz Strasbourg France
1350 Khz Nancy/Nice France
1377 Khz Radio Bleue France
1404 Khz Brest France
1494 Khz Clermont Ferrand France
558 Khz Rostock (NDR) Germany
567 Khz Berlin Germany
756 Khz Braunschweig (DLF) Germany
1188 Khz Reichenbach (MDR) Germany
520 Khz HOF/Hurzburg Germany
531 Khz Leipzig Germany
549 Khz Thurnau (DLF) Germany
576 Khz Muhlacker (SDR) Germany
594 Khz Frankfurt Germany
657 Khz Neubrandenburg (NDR) Germany
666 Khz Messkirch Rohrd (SWF) Germany
702 Khz Flensburg (NDR) Germany
711 Khz Heidelburg Germany
783 Khz Leipzig (MDR) Germany
792 Khz Lingen (NDR) Germany
801 Khz Munchen Ismaning Germany
828 Khz Hanover (NDR) Germany
855 Khz Berlin Germany
873 Khz American Forces Radio Germany
936 Khz Bremen Germany
972 Khz Nord Rundfunk Germany
990 Khz Berlin Germany
999 Khz Schwerin (RIAS) Germany
1017 Khz Rheinsender (SWF) Germany
1044 Khz Dresden (MDR) Germany
1107 Khz AFN Germany
1143 Khz Stuttgart (AFN) Germany
1197 Khz Voice of America (Relay) Germany
1269 Khz Neumunster (DLF) Germany
1323 Khz W'brunn (V Russia) Germany
1422 Khz Deutschlandfunk Germany
1539 Khz Trans World Radio/ERF Germany
1593 Khz Voice Of America/Radio Free Europe Germany
1044 Khz Thessaloniki Greece
1386 Khz Athens Greece
675 Khz Radio 10 Gold Holland
828 Khz Rotterdam Holland
1008 Khz NOS Radio 5 Holland
1224 Khz Lelystad Holland
540 Khz Solt Hungary
1188 Khz Szolnok Hungary
1251 Khz Marcali Hungary
1341 Khz Lakihegy Hungary
1350 Khz Pecs Hungary
1368 Khz Manx Radio Isle of Man
1449 Khz Squinzano Italy
657 Khz Napoli Italy
846 Khz RAI Radio 2 Italy
900 Khz RAI Radio 1 Italy
936 Khz Venezia Italy
1116 Khz Bari Italy
1332 Khz Rome Italy
1575 Khz Genova Italy
801 Khz Ajlun Jordan
576 Khz Riga Latvia
1350 Khz Cesvaine/Kuldiga Latvia
666 Khz Sitkunai (R. Vilnius) Lithuania
1440 Khz RTL Luxembourg
999 Khz Grigoriopol Moldova
702 Khz Monte Carlo Monaco
1467 Khz Trans World Radio Monaco
540 Khz Sidi Bennour Morocco
594 Khz Oujda-1 Morocco
612 Khz Sebaa Aioun Morocco
711 Khz Laayoune Morocco
1044 Khz Sebaa-Aioun Morocco
747 Khz NOS Radio 1 Netherlands
891 Khz Huisberg Netherlands
1251 Khz Huisberg Netherlands
1395 Khz Business Radio - Daytime Netherlands
774 Khz Enniskillen (BBC) Northern Ireland
720 Khz Lisnagarvey (BBC4) Northern Ireland
1341 Khz Lisnagarvey (BBC) Northern Ireland
630 Khz Vigra Norway
1314 Khz NRK Prog 1 Norway
738 Khz Poznan Poland
819 Khz Warsaw Poland
1080 Khz Katowice Poland
1206 Khz Wroclaw Poland
1305 Khz Rzeszow Poland
1503 Khz Stargard Poland
594 Khz Muge Portugal
666 Khz Lisboa Portugal
720 Khz Norte Portugal
783 Khz Miramar (R.Porto) Portugal
981 Khz Coimbra Portugal
1035 Khz Lisbon (Prog 3) Portugal
927 Khz Evora (RRE) Portugal 1
567 Khz RTE Radio 1 Republic of Ireland
612 Khz RTE Radio '2FM' Republic of Ireland
729 Khz Cork (RTE 1) Republic of Ireland
963 Khz Tir Chonaill Republic of Ireland
1278 Khz RTE Radio '2FM' Republic of Ireland
1152 Khz Cluj Romania
1089 Khz Krasnodar Russia
1143 Khz Bolshakovo (Mayak) Russia
1386 Khz Voice of Russia Russia
1494 Khz St Petersburg Russia
1521 Khz Duba Saudi Arabia
783 Khz Dammam Saudi Arabia
1440 Khz Damman Saudi Arabia
1098 Khz Slovak Radio Slovakia
1521 Khz Kosice (Cizatice) Slovakia
549 Khz Beli Kriz Slovenia
918 Khz Plesivec (Sloven'nR) Slovenia
558 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
567 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
576 Khz Barcelona (RNE5) Spain
954 Khz Madrid (CI) Spain
1026 Khz SER Spain
1602 Khz Vitoria (EI) Spain
531 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
585 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
603 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
612 Khz Radio Nacional Spain
621 Khz Radio Nacional Spain
621 Khz Barcelona (OCR) Spain
639 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
648 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
657 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
684 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
693 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
702 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
711 Khz Murcia (COPE) Spain
729 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
738 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
747 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
756 Khz Bilbao (EI) Spain
774 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
792 Khz Sevilla (SER) Spain
801 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
810 Khz Madrid (SER) Spain
828 Khz Barcelona (SER) Spain
837 Khz COPE Spain
855 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
864 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 1 Spain
873 Khz Zaragoza (SER) Spain
882 Khz COPE Spain
900 Khz COPE Spain
918 Khz Madrid (R Int) Spain
936 Khz Radio Nacional Espana 5 Spain
972 Khz Radio Nacional 1 Spain
990 Khz R Bilbao (SER) Spain
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411A
9th Nov 2008, 11:10
Quote:
Because you are stupid, you pillock.

Guess it takes one to know one, now back to flight simming for you.
Well said.:ok:

His dudeness
9th Nov 2008, 20:31
I do NOT want you flying over my house while you are listening to music.
I have come close enough (geographically) to an 'unexpected' landing to realise you need all your senses concentrated on just keeping the thing in the air without the distraction of music.

So you´re not into multitasking then? Lets switch off that annoying radio and slap that copilot if should dare to speak and break your concentration whilst keeping a mighty 172 in the air. Pathetic.

john_tullamarine
9th Nov 2008, 21:57
Obviously the subject has aroused some feelings ....

However, please play the ball, not the player.

The original poster may or may not have much aviation experience but the question is, none the less, as valid as any other.

Mark1234
9th Nov 2008, 23:05
No, not pathetic. Arguable. Probably rather depends upon the flying you're doing.

In VFR GA we have this concept called 'see and avoid'. Actually, it's see and avoid with radio enhanced SA. *Listening* to the other traffic making various calls/broadcasts helps you build up a picture of what is around you. Often you know where to look in order to see. Personally I'd question your ability to listen while you've got music on. You may hear it, but is your mind really processing it?

Ironically, I suspect that's far less important for the big tin cruising up at flight level XXX in class A airspace - but from comments, they seem to have SOP's against it. Of course, there are situations where it may be quite reasonable - out in woop woop where there's no traffic. As ever, things are rarely black and white. Heaven forbid in this day and age, but.... Discretion required :E

draughtsman99
10th Nov 2008, 03:11
My main worry over listening to music is based on my use of such systems where some seconds of transmission is required before the music player is switched off. The delay is caused by the circuitry having to be 'detuned' so that it does not turn off the music if there is a short burst of static.
Just imagine going from Aiada Grand March to hearing an urgent ATC message but not knowing if it is for you or not because the switch over took place when the call sign was being transmitted and you missed it.

eikido
10th Nov 2008, 12:04
Obviously the subject has aroused some feelings ....

However, please play the ball, not the player.

The original poster may or may not have much aviation experience but the question is, none the less, as valid as any other.


No avation experience mate! I haven't started training yet.
And people here are calling me stupid because i've seen headsets with the possibilitiy to connect an mp3 player AND cell phones and have heard about people doing so.

I had respect for a few users here before this discussion but have lost it completely.

Eikido

Dont Hang Up
10th Nov 2008, 13:21
While we are on the subject...

...is there any way to play DVDs on the EFIS?

:O

dkz
10th Nov 2008, 13:54
...is there any way to play DVDs on the EFIS?

Of course, but only works in flight (inhibitted by weight on wheels switch). :E

Willit Run
10th Nov 2008, 19:10
I pretty much do exclusively long haul, and listening to music is a great way to keep folks awake. When you take off during the night, fly through the day and land at night time, your body gets kinda whacked out from circadian disruption. Music over the north atlantic and pacific, during the night most anywhere, when the radio is virtually silent, is very welcome.

I have had many a co-pilot and IRP thank me for having the i-pod going, it makes for a most pleasant trip.

Pitch&Fan
11th Nov 2008, 12:15
So,

Bi-plane, aerobatics, lonely quiet bit of airspace, no ATC, music = Fantastic. (The VHF radio is so bad that I can't hear a damn thing on it anyway!).

Normal aeroplane, normal airspace, ATC, music = Bad idea.

Student building hours... Shouldn't even be able to afford an iPod... It's worth a good hour or two's flying mate!!!

Rules are there for the guidance of wise men....

Pitch&Fan

TyroPicard
11th Nov 2008, 12:49
When flying a single, it's a good idea to listen to the engine rather than music. It has a music of its' own - and when it starts to sound wrong you will hear it.

Nightfire
11th Nov 2008, 13:27
The company SOP will probably not mention that it's illegal to listen to mp3s while flying. It probably also doesn't mention watching videos on portable DVD-players, playing games on a Nintendo, or rubbing your :mad:

Or should it?? Use your common sense! You want to be a professional pilot, so act like one. Or stay out of the cockpit.

My ex-company stated very clearly in it's OM-A that "no non-flight related material may be read in the flight deck". Studying your manuals or readig the Jeppesen is part of your job, that's what you're being paid for and what is expected of you from the company, the passengers, and the people living underneath you. Are you seriously going to compare that?

Even private conversation is restricted during "critical phases of flight", and "should not allow you to be distracted from carrying out your normal duties", i.e. listening to ATC.

Reading a newspaper when there is time, chatting with one of the Girls, or getting out of your seat to stretch your legs for a while is acceptable. But does it really need to be explained to somebody that you can't listen to your ipod? Would you do that also while driving your car? If so, I wonder what you'd tell the police if they stopped and caught you with it.

If I were to observe it in a cockpit, I would sure a hell write a report about it.

ATC Watcher
11th Nov 2008, 13:34
As someone said Music is a great way to stay awake on long , long monitoring nights with nothing else to do. It was done for many years in flying and in ATC worldwide. No need to hide that.When in my centre in the 70's we were 3 guys on duty for a 10 hours shift with 10-20 aircrfat passing through in that period , music was welcome to keep us awake. A VHF call and you'll immediately put the volume down. We've all done that.
Now we have more than 1000 aircrfat passing through in those same 10 hours and the music is long , long gone.
Same I suppose on the A320 cockpit today .
But now, on a Dubai-Melbourne on a A340-600...:hmm:

tupues
11th Nov 2008, 13:58
Since when can't you listen to music in a car??

Broomstick Flier
11th Nov 2008, 14:18
I only listened to music twice on a flight deck.
First time was many moons ago on an Airbus flight deck, operated by a charter Mexican airline. I was dead heading with them and went up front for a chat with the pilots, being acquainted with the F/O at the time. To my surprise they were listening some nice classical music on a portable CD-player and it remained on until we parked at the gate, albeit below 10.000ft on a very subtle volume. Didn't notice any disturbance that this might have caused and the PIC didn't pitch or roll the aircraft following the music's rhythm. :}

Second time was a couple of months ago while en route on a long x-country flight from Sao Paulo to Porto Seguro, on a Cirrus SR-22.
It has a system that allows an iPod/MP3 player to be connected via a line-in jack and the music is automatically suppressed anytime the ATC the frequency is busy. We were VMC all the time and it did not disturb me at all. Would not do it IMC or in busy airspace, though

As mentioned before, rules are for the guidance of wise...

Cheers
BF

nugpot
11th Nov 2008, 14:23
Sorry nightfire, I am confused.

You say:

My ex-company stated very clearly in it's OM-A that "no non-flight related material may be read in the flight deck".

and then

Reading a newspaper when there is time, ........ is acceptable.

So SOP's are fine to break just a little bit??

I have never thought about listening to music while I work, but I certainly don't see it as the evil that you guys seem to.

Pitch&Fan
11th Nov 2008, 14:27
Of course you can listen to music in a car while driving! That's why they have radios in them as standard fit (even German cars!).

It doesn't really matter if you miss what the presenter is saying. When one misses an ATC / aircraft call however... It becomes another matter.

I certainly wouldn't be impressed by someone whipping out an iPod (or whatever) on the flight-deck. It would smack of an unprofessional attitude.

Nor would a student of mine be allowed to do so, while in the GF, or on a cross-country. In fact, I would tend toward a bit of disciplinary action if I were to find out about it.

BUT... Alone, out where there's no-one (yes ... there are lots of places like that where I am / fly), while gliding, or some other non-commercial operation, and there's nothing to say or hear on the radio... Go right ahead and listen to music. Just no Hip-Hop or Rap, 'coz it's simply bad taste to listen to that kind of stuff, and you know what a classy bunch we are.

Come now... Let's not be too anally retentive about this chaps.

Pitch&Fan
11th Nov 2008, 14:30
Good afternoon Nugpot!

Nightfire
11th Nov 2008, 17:57
Of course you can listen to music in a car while driving! That's why they have radios in them as standard fit (even German cars!).

Since when can't you listen to music in a car??
Yesterday 21:34

Would you clever guys read my post properly, before writing stupid answers?
I was asking rhetorically if people would also listen to their ipods while driving. Assuming that you understand what I meant (the point was, listening to music with headsets, thus locking out all other noise and reducing your concentration).

Nugpot, I wanted to point out that it's not about being an SOP-fetishist; you might also add that reading an aviation-magazine is flight-related and therefore in line with flight deck policies. Don't be ridiculous. The SOPs usually also say somewhere that they can not replace good judgement and common sense.

Listening to music inside the cockpit is dangerous and inacceptable for a professional company. In terms of "bending" the procedures, it is definitely going too far.
Go ahead and do so, if you like, but be ready to have a clever explanation when you get called to the office. I'm sure your Fleet Chief would tell you the same.

brett s
11th Nov 2008, 20:40
I used to listen to music when ferrying ag helicopters around between jobs, had a portable CD player wired up to my helmet (this was before mp3 players existed) - no radios installed in the first place so nothing to miss there, and not turned up so loud you can't hear everything else going on with the machine. No big deal...

Pool Boy
11th Nov 2008, 20:48
My 2 cents worth, from the many hours flying back of the clock 12 plus hour sectors in the less congested parts of the world, some low volume background music is actually very good at helping you stay awake and alert. I think that in that particular flying enviroment it actually contributes to flight safety. Its just a matter of applying a bit of common sense when to do it and when not to.

tupues
11th Nov 2008, 23:31
If so, I wonder what you'd tell the police if they stopped and caught you with it.


Why would the police stop you for listening to music in your car?? The whole point of headphones is that they are handsfree....or do you mean putting a speaker onto an ipod and holding it to your ear?

Willit Run
12th Nov 2008, 01:03
Nightfire;

Who said anything about wearing ear buds?, Speakers were developed a looooong time ago. You may have noticed them on the flight deck if indeed your a pilot.

Dude, you need to lighten up just a wee bit on the "Holier than thou" attitude. you might even learn a thing or two about a thing or two.

Vee1Kut
12th Nov 2008, 03:14
Alot of answers with no substance...Here's is how I do it1- FlightCom made a nice little intercom that you could hook your walkman directly into it...great for light aircraft without intercoms..2- In nicer equipment, I would run my IPOD nano, earbuds underneath my Bose Xs...volume on the music in the background, ATC loud enough to hear through the headsets.Single Pilot, Citation Ultra, FL450, listing to Jimi Hendrix to Red House. Pretty Cool.

Rainboe
12th Nov 2008, 05:15
I'm still trying to get my head around a learner having to have music whilst flying. It says to me perhaps another career would be adviseable?

Nightfire
13th Nov 2008, 11:19
Willit Run, I'm tired of cynics giving cheeky answers, just so they can open their mouth on a forum, where they otherwise have nothing useful to contribute.

Mercenary Pilot
13th Nov 2008, 16:11
And I'm tired of reading stupid posts by people who are pretending to be a commercial pilot giving uninformed opinion on something they obviously know nothing about.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. :=

Admiral346
14th Nov 2008, 22:24
While I tend to agree with rainbow's last post, I have had a FO ask me if it was ok to listen to his iPod on a long night flight, and I simply told himit was ok, as long as he didn't miss any calls by ATC. He missed no more than the rest of us tend to do, and I was fine with it. Another guy would ask if it is ok to read the paper or whatever, and that is just as fine, as long as general vigilance is not impaired too much.
Everyone has their own way of survivng the long nights awake, be it looking at stars or reading or whatever.
For me music doesn't work too well, even though an occasional well chosen song someone played on 123.45 on the Atlantic was quite romantic.

Nic

Hasselhof
15th Nov 2008, 09:38
I used to enjoy listening to the cricket that was being transmitted some incredible distances on a local AM radio station while I was learning to fly. Espeically as it was during an Ashes series and the better side *cough Australia cough* were thrashing the poms.

Now I use a Lightspeed Zulu headset and plug in my iPod with music playing from taxi to shutdown. It has the option of muting the music during ATC transmissions or anything coming over the intercom (which catches you out if you start singing and the music dies). Personally though I find that feature frustrating and instead spend a bit of time setting up the volumes so that ATC / intercom comes through loud and clear with the music as a pleasant background. I've yet to find a time when I've needed to pull the plug and cease the music altogether, although running out of batteries in you'r iPod during a long sector once you're used to it incredibly frustrating.

Shaunny
15th Nov 2008, 13:30
I think some people are getting alot more uptight than this question called for.

Whilst I don’t consider myself an 'old hat' in this business I have been a professional pilot for some time now.

I fly for a company specializing in airborne survey operations. We have a very nice system integrated into the aircraft’s intercom. We plug in an MP3 player into the system, which plays music into all of the connected headsets but cuts out if any of the crew talk, or a radio transmission is received.

Obviously the system is switched off during critical phases of flight but in my experience having the music is VERY MUCH appreciated during the long hours of surveying a large area. I don’t think it affects my, or any of my crews concentration in fact I think it actually helps us stay alert during the longer sorties.
I honestly don’t see how a system like this, if used properly, can possibly affect safety in a negative way?