DFT and Airport ID

[BlueTui]

Could someone please advise me, Is it a DFT requirement when you operate a flight out of another airport within the UK you need to be escorted by someone with a valid, permanent ID from that airport?

i.e. your based at MAN but operate out of BRS

I have never come across this rule/law/requirement before.

But was told as I did not have a BHX ID I would either have to be escorted by a BHX ID holder or I would not be permitted Airside.

I am pretty sure this is another one of BHX's stupid little rules due to its TV fiasco last year thinking it will make it look more secure, however it just makes it look unprofessional and makes our lives more difficult.

Luckily our handling agent was quick enough to come and escort me to the aircraft, I was willing this to delay the departure of the aircraft, in the faint hope this silly rule would be changed.

[BALLSOUT]

This seems to have spread over the last few years. Now your I D is just about useless at any other airport other that the one that issued it.
It's long overdue that the DFT get their act together and form a central issuing authority.

[Earthmover]

No, it's happening at MAN too ... the F/O and I (with 50 years flying airliners between us) couldn't get through - we were both from different bases. So a 19 year old girl ( very nice as she is) who has worked in the airline system as Cabin Crew for less than 6 months solemnly escorted us to our aircraft.

Now, call me old-fashioned, but by 'reductio ad absurdum', if I land my aeroplane at anywhere other than my home base, I am in breach of this regulation.. correct? Better confine myself to circuits then....... No, I've got it - I'll land somewhere landside.

C'mon DFT, get a grip.

[A and C]

The airports all make up the rules for themselfs, as long as they meet the DfT minimum requirements they can add anything they like.

The big problem is that they all have diferent local rules that a visiting pilot/engineer could not posably know about. This is were the friction starts has the heavy handed security ego kicks in and you find your self getting a dressing down from a numpty with an IQ lower than the dog next door.

In my opinion the DfT wants this situation to continue as this way if someting goes wrong they can blame the airport for not putting a local rule in place to prevent the problem.

Airport security is about two things.
First it is in place to prevent the DfT or goverment for getting any blame for an inccident (protection from the meda).

Second it is a way for the security industry to build an empire and make a lot of money by using a lot of low grade cheap staff and charging a lot for them.

Any security that we get from this system is totaly accidental.

[IcePack]

Trouble is you are all doing your best to get around these rules. The rules then become the norm.
Not allowed through: OK no problem just go back to the crew room and phone your airline. Flights go late or not at all. Rules will be changed.
Any argument from ANYBODY about going back to the crew room. Sorry gov, but I was not prepared to get stressed out before operating.
Oh and put in an MOR

Note: Do not get into an argument just shrug your shoulders and walk away, and have another cup of coffee in the crew room. These are not the DFT/TRANSEC rules just airports missinterpreting the TRANSEC letter to Airport Operators.

A few representations from your Airline & Aircraft stuck on stand will get it sorted.:cool:

[Ancient Observer]

I think you ought to examine the motivation of the civil servants in the DfT. Their first priority is to protect the Secretary of State and the Minister. Their second and third priorities are the same as the first. Then, they desperately need to keep themselves out of any trouble. They must not get caught taking the blame for any decisions. Thus, they do their best to avoid decisions, unless those decisions enable them to blame someone else.
So why anyone on pprune looks to the DfT for sensible help is entirely beyond me.

[bvcu]

So when you're operating away from your home base [in terms of ID pass] , does that mean you need an escort for your walk round check ................!!!!!!

[fireflybob]

I have never really understood the reason for this escort.

Before I got a local ID I was "escorted" or not to the crewroom (2 min walk) depending on who was on duty at the checkpoint. Once at the crewroom the escort would return to security. This left me puzzled since I now had full access to the ramp etc! Why?

[K.Whyjelly]

This farce extends beyond the shores of Blighty . Last summer I was night
stopping in DUB and on returning to the airport I attempted to get to my a/c via the staff channel. The security operative, upon inspecting my UK i/d told me that it was not acceptable and wouldn't allow me airside access. I asked to see his supervisor and this gentleman also confirmed that my i/d (from a major UK airfield) was not acceptable to Dublin security:ugh:. Slowly, but surely getting wound up (mainly because I've used the same i/d at DUB for a number of years prior to this event with no problems) I bit my tongue and asked as politely as possible how the f*ck was I expected to get to my aircraft. The flight was scheduled out in just over an hour and I was informed that I would have to be escorted by somebody from our handling agents. This involved trekking to the far side of the concourse, explaining my predicament and waiting for a member of the handling agency (who were very very busy doing their own jobs and tasks) to become available. The absurdity of the whole situation was that the person who escorted me didn't know me from Adam:hmm:.

Not had the pleasure of visiting DUB since this incident last year so don't know if it is ongoing or not

[commit aviation]

Mech assassin - far too simple - it would never catch on.
Just think of all the beaurocrats you'd put out of a job for a start!! :E

Just to add another anecdote to the lunacy:

In a previous life I held an ID for a BAA airfield in the London area. As part of my work I went to visit a colleague working in a Scottish airfield also within the BAA group.
When I arrived the BAA security official was happily filling out an escorted pass based on my owning a passport & being known to the staff member accompanying me. When I mentioned that I owned a BAA pass I was told I could no longer have a temporary pass but would have to contact the BAA at my home base and have them give clearance for me to access airside. ....oh - and I'd need to give 48 hours notice!! :ugh:

I know security has to exist and have no problems if it keeps all of us secure, but this one really baffled me!!

[icemanalgeria]

Manchester was the worst for me.

I had to goto the Id office before everyflight to collect a temp pass together with A a5 yellow sign which I was to ware saying visitor.

The Id office was terminal 1, so Park the car in term 3 long stay, goto term 2 where company office was to pickup a cabin crew member with local Id, then go back to Term 1 to Id office, then back to terminal 2 to prepare for flight from Manchester to Capetown minimum rest and back to Manchester.

I really hated flying out of Manchester because of this.

And the problem could not be solved as I was based in another airport which would mean if I had a manchester pass it may have "PARKED" between flights, so the same procedure would be followed.

[Dysonsphere]

mech said


I guess the only way around it is to have an internationally recognised ID that all airlines and airports have to use, that is tamper proof, unable to be conterfeited or replicated, that can be read and understood by all security guards world-wide.......... should be easy enough, anyone fancy giving it a go?!!!!!!!!!!


LOL and who would you trust to run this passports can be forged easily as can most other ID`s. mind you whoever can think of a way will be very rich.

[bfsalphaone]

Remember a few years ago when the standardized zones and colour coded airside UK ID’s were introduced?

Yellow: Landside Only
Green: Airside, No Ramp
Blue: Airside, Inc Ramp
Blue/Yellow Stripe: Airside (Aircrew)
Red: All Areas

Each ID then had a number of the zones below depending on what your job required access to from the following zones:
1 - Internal Restricted Zone (including piers and walkways) but excluding zones 2 and 3
2 - Baggage Reclaim Halls
3 - Baggage make up area
4 - Ramp
5 - Aircraft and their footprints
6 - Other external areas of the restricted zone
7 - Landside
8 - All areas
9 - Controlled Zone

Most of the UK airports followed the standardized design for an airside pass except for LBA, NCL.

Aircrew operating away from their base airport should be able to get airside if they hold a valid Blue/Yellow stripe ID pass; this is meant to be the standardized ID across the majority of UK airports.

bfsalphaone

[411A]

Trouble is you are all doing your best to get around these rules. The rules then become the norm.
Not allowed through: OK no problem just go back to the crew room and phone your airline. Flights go late or not at all. Rules will be changed.
Any argument from ANYBODY about going back to the crew room. Sorry gov, but I was not prepared to get stressed out before operating.
Oh and put in an MOR

Note: Do not get into an argument just shrug your shoulders and walk away, and have another cup of coffee in the crew room. These are not the DFT/TRANSEC rules just airports missinterpreting the TRANSEC letter to Airport Operators.

A few representations from your Airline & Aircraft stuck on stand will get it sorted.

Yep, works every time.

Don't get mad, get even.:E

I have never understood why tech crew get stressed out with this airport nonsense...a grossly delayed flight due to these issues works wonders.

[llondel]

I have never understood why tech crew get stressed out with this airport nonsense...a grossly delayed flight due to these issues works wonders.

I have to agree - the best way to get rid of :mad: rules is sometimes to stick to them rigidly. Then the system falls apart and someone eventually has an outbreak of common sense (albeit quickly cured). Different industry, but many years ago I used to work at a place that suffered occasional idiotic pronouncements from someone at head office who was out of touch with reality. Most of the stupid rules got revoked within three months because any time we did something for head office we stuck rigidly to their rules.

[HZ123]

At LHR and as far as I am aware at BAA airports the highest ID card entitlement is a RED 7 which is all areas. I have never seen 8 & 9 mentioned.

[Dave Gittins]

The same suggestion that I have seen before :-

"I guess the only way around it is to have an internationally recognised ID that all airlines and airports have to use, that is tamper proof, unable to be conterfeited or replicated, that can be read and understood by all security guards world-wide.......... "

And the same response as before .... if it was issued by the security services from the UK or the USA, fine ... who is going to trust one that comes from Libya, Syria, Azerbijan or lots of other places ????

Fail to see why a UK wide pass or a US wide airside pass cannot exist though ????

DGG

[Romeo India Xray]

And thanks to JARs and EASA it is now possible for aircrew from anywhere in Europe to fly the damn thing, on their non UK licence, once they have been escorted to it .... so EASA subscribing state says you are fit to fly, EU airline employs you, and then due to lack of common sense or standards (delete as you see fit) the security contingent decide you are a serious threat because you have ONLY been security cleared by another UK airodrome. :ugh:

[llondel]

Since when are the crew required to teach these high achievers the layout of a licence?

Take your licence out of your pocket/bag/wherever and before handing it over, ask the chap if he knows what one looks like and where the important bits are. If he doesn't know, then what's the point of giving it to him, it could be any old bit of of paper with a fancy logo on the top. Keep it light-hearted, lest you discover they've had a recent delivery of rubber gloves.

[HZ123]

aside; Does anyone know what MANTRA within the DFT aviation security remit stands for, I assume it is some sort of committee?

[eight ace]

MATRA is ' multi agency threat & risk assessment'

[despegue]

A collegue of mine gave his fishing licence to DUB security and got through with it...:D
We WERE X-rayed obviously and did show our badges like good boys...

[fivegreenlight]

" Dublin security ask to 'inspect' your licence!! "


Since when has security been doing ramp checks ?:*
All they have to do is check your form of ID, if it's acceptable that's the end of it. Do they ask to inspect an engineers licence? - no, do they ask to see cabin crew licence? - no.
I for one will not give my licence to some muppet in secruity.
Next time ask if your ID is valid and if they refuse entry go back to the crew room.

[Hoover Pilot]

Further to RIX’s above post it’s actually more crazy than that.

I no longer work for a UK airline and am employed by an EU one. Thus I have a foreign ID/Pass that has no tie to any UK airport – but it gives me better access at all of them than my old UK pass used to.

No awkward questions, no escorts, no nothing –
“Can I see your ID sir? Of course. Yes that’s fine thank you” is the typical conversation.

Now, if I still had a UK pass then other airports than the one it’s been issued through would say it’s not valid.

Go figure. HP :ugh:

[hec7or]

Good point fivegreen, does the fact that we have a licence that can be inspected, but other staff don't amount to discrimination against us as we are being treated differently to other staff?

I suspect though, that it will be seen as a responsible extra check by security personnel and I personally have no major objections, but I do wish that they knew what they were looking for!!

[NIGHTFR8R]

The aviation security act 1982 ammended 1990 is quite explicit on who is allowed into a restricted zone and also who is responsible for deciding what is an acceptable form of ID.
As all UK airports now have to follow DFT rules for the granting of an airside pass ie CRC and references, it follows that all UK airside passes are issued to the same level.
The aviation security act states that you are allowed airside if you hold an ID that is acceptable to the aerodrome manager, not acceptable to the security guard is as far as I am concerned not a valid reason to prevent airside access.
I have in the past quoted the Act to security personnel to mixed responses, I have even taken it all the way to the aerodrome manager and gained access (i think i was just being a pain in the backside and they wanted to get rid of me) In any event it does get up the nose of the jobsworths.
if you want chapter and verse the act is online below.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/Acts/ukpga/1982/cukpga_19820036_en_1

[STATSMAN]

I am based at an airport in the north of england but also work at two others, at the first and second I have an airside no ramp pass but have no pass for the third. Here I am escorted by a team member who does hold a airside no ramp pass for that airport(but they have to return the pass to pass office at the end of the shift) why can I use just the one?

I have just renewed the two passes both forms were different and required different information why?

Also going though the staff channels at all 3 airports I am required to do different things, ( ie shoes off shoes on ) why?

Should all this be standard across the UK, as it is the same document from the DfT

STATSMAN

[HZ123]

No they are not always the same checks. Are you always entering a restricted Zone (RZ) or merely a controlled zone?

[dlav]

Has anybody else had a bad experience operating through glasgow with the security staff there?

Witnessed the most ridiculous situation this morning, where tempers flared a little with the security staff, following a request from the crew to calm down, the response was "dont tell me to calm down" whilst pointing the finger.

hoping that it will be a one off, for both parties involved.

When will it stop?

[The Loan Arranger]

The stupidity of the actions by security on this thread beggars belief. I often remember working at Manchester with a Manchester airside pass. There was a time when the pass was "parked" as I had not used it at Manchester for a given period - however it never stopped me being given access into any other airport whilst it was parked at Manchester! Only Manchester that issued the pass in the first place denied me access!!!:ugh:

[IcePack]

Yep, Mine is parked at LTN at the moment as the a/c I fly is not based there. Has been for almost 2 years. But I can't unpark it as to do so you have to go to the pass issue place with a letter from the company. BUT you then have to operate out within 24 hrs, which I can't as no flights from LTN on my type. Yes I know why not get a pass from another airport. Apparently that has it's problems too. Anyway the pass works in the rest of the UK & the world.
Silly games to make life difficult. As I said any arguments I just go back to the crew romm and let someone else sort it out.:)

[Agaricus bisporus]

This business of "parked" IDs is one of the daftest in the whole daft business of "security".

At own base, with locally issued ID that is parked (ie, not been used for - dunno - 60 days?) and won't respond to the card reader access is refused. Local base, local card, go home! Then a Turkish crew comes past, nothing "disclosed" to anyone Scottish, cards issued in a state with utterly porous borders with at least 2 terrorist states, and...?

Aviation personnel (inc pax) "security" is an utter disgrace imho, and the DFT or whatever they call themselves this week should hang their bureautwatic heads in shame. And to think these oxygen thieves qualify for final salary pensions.

[fred peck]

We had a heads up that DFT inspectors were going to be on the prowl the other day.

Can you guess what was Number 1 on their "hit list?"..................



Hi-viz done up at the front!!

[STATSMAN]

But some people are a little on the large size to do them up at the front. Do they do XXXXXXXL size ??

[Waldo]

Last summer a I operated out of Dublin for four days wearing a pair of jeans and a casual shirt as Ryanair had managed to lose my suitcase on the way over from LGW. I had my BAA pass but was never asked for any other kind of ID from staff security or in fact from any other member of airport staff !!
Different standards for diffent days methinks!

[dixi188]

Last evening operating out of BFS as a Flight Engineer for Brussels based cargo airline, I was issued with a Visitors airside pass and escorted by handling agent to our aircraft. Both pilots allowed through as crew.

It seems that F/E's are not considered aircrew at this security gate although I have been told that another Belgium based A300 operator at this airport does not have this problem.

Also I was told by secirity that only 5 tempory passes can be issued to an individual before a permanent one has to be obtained. (I've now had 2)

Anybody have any comments or ideas on this one.

[IcePack]

Dixi, I bet you get a 6th 7th 8th etc. If on the 1st refusal of entry your flt does not go. As said before don't get mad, just let someone else sort it out.:)

[tick2000]

At my airport I work for Pax services. We sometimes have crew/engineers from airliners that are not based at my airport; therefore security will not allow them to go through the Validation Point with their own ID. So all we do is write out a manual boarding card and send them through the passenger route. Once they are through security they can then go over to a gate and ring our operations who will collect them from there.
So security would NOT allow them through on an ID which was issued by another Airport and approved by the DfT, but all I had was write their name on a manual boarding card and then they could just walk through the passenger security.

[dixi188]

Ice Pack.
Thanks for that.
I don't get wound up, I just go with the flow.
Life's too short etc.

Any one know why F/E,s are not considered Aircrew at this airport?
I've never had this anywhere else.

[A and C]

It's a long time since BFS has seen an aircraft with a Flight Engineer Unfortunatly the security staff are just to stupid to understand that a Flight Engineer is part of the flight crew.

Unfortunatly "security" is run by dim witted office types and implimented by low grade low pay narrow minded people with an over inflated sense of importance. How can you expect them to know anything about what the dutys of flight crew are?

This was the airport that took from me a "sharp object" at security and then sent some one to the flight deck to with the "sharp" in a plastic bag for "safe keeping" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[darrylj]

me too, mine only go up to 5.
never seen 8/9.

when i first started they placed 6 on it as well by mistake!..:\

:)

[norsman07]

Showing your fishing licence. Hmm. Well that's Professional. It might work at DUB but don't try that in the UK. You may get some unwelcomed attention.

[norsman07]

Unfortunately the 'jobsworths' are doing the bidding of the Aerodrome Manager and apart from DfT regs there at all UK airports local regs apply also. Don't ask me why. It's just the way it is. Until the UK has a standardised security system meaning all security is in the hands of DfT - without local interference - there will always be differences. But in any case if the 'jobsworths' don't do as they are instructed they are fired. They are then replaced by 'newbies' who have less idea than the 20 year vets previous. Don't forget all are created equal, pax and crew. All are treated the same according to the law. Silver bracelets are awarded to those who disagree! :)

[norsman07]

At my airport I work for Pax services. We sometimes have crew/engineers from airliners that are not based at my airport; therefore security will not allow them to go through the Validation Point with their own ID. So all we do is write out a manual boarding card and send them through the passenger route. Once they are through security they can then go over to a gate and ring our operations who will collect them from there.
So security would NOT allow them through on an ID which was issued by another Airport and approved by the DfT, but all I had was write their name on a manual boarding card and then they could just walk through the passenger security.

Ingenious! Unfortunately if your engineer is caught s/he will be arrested. Not worth it really is it. And you could lose your job to boot. The rules are there for a reason. Why is it people see them as a challenge rather than something to adhere to? They may seem crazy, we may not like them, but they're LAW.

[colossus]

norsman7

Unfortunately the 'jobsworths' are doing the bidding of the Aerodrome Manager and apart from DfT regs there at all UK airports local regs apply also. Don't ask me why. It's just the way it is. Until the UK has a standardised security system meaning all security is in the hands of DfT - without local interference - there will always be differences.

I thank you for bringing the thread back to the original issue.

I am part of an airport management team, all be it a very small one. When you have the D of T, the Police and other agencies to deal with, along with the press who think it's a good "story" to sneak on-to the airfield, you start to get a little paranoid in a post 9-11 world.

As a RED go anywhere ID holder, I find it equally frustrating to visit other airfields complete usually with passport, ID and some pre-agreement between the airports managers, but accept in the current climate that's how it is, until everybody in the industry forces the issue with the D of T, nothing is likely to happen.

As for airport security staff, sure some are over zealous, but some are also ex-cops / forces and have a nose for things not being quite right.

I believe the BAA as the biggest issuer of Security passes ought to take the lead - but I think we can all be realistic about the chances of that !

Sadly those actually in positions of power are those least inconvenienced by it - I'd love to be able to refuse entry to a senior official saying that they don't have authorization but somehow think they might just turn the tables on us in regards the inspection audit.

[RAT 5]

UK BAA Airport. I am the captain of the flight with a Europen ID. My cabin crew, locally based, are also at the crew check point. They have only a temporary ID, for that base, issued by the company. The backlog in criminal security check was taking months and their full ID pass was imminent. Thus they needed an escort. I was not allowed to escort my own crew because I did not have a local ID. Thus a junior sprog, all of 19 years freckle faced, escorted us all in absolute un-questionable highest security mode to the crew room. It reminded me why I had left ludicrous UK.

[scr1]

At my airport I work for Pax services. We sometimes have crew/engineers from airliners that are not based at my airport; therefore security will not allow them to go through the Validation Point with their own ID. So all we do is write out a manual boarding card and send them through the passenger route. Once they are through security they can then go over to a gate and ring our operations who will collect them from there.
So security would NOT allow them through on an ID which was issued by another Airport and approved by the DfT, but all I had was write their name on a manual boarding card and then they could just walk through the passenger security.

Ingenious! Unfortunately if your engineer is caught s/he will be arrested. Not worth it really is it. And you could lose your job to boot. The rules are there for a reason. Why is it people see them as a challenge rather than something to adhere to? They may seem crazy, we may not like them, but they're LAW







this is what security tell us to do and the only way they will let crew etc through:ugh:

[Mister Geezer]

BHX is a right royal pain in the arse. If you don't have a BHX pass and if you want unescorted airside access then you need to be registered on some list. Never come across it at any other airport.

Had great fun about six months ago. I was sat with my crew after operating into BHX and waiting to position out but we were delayed. I decide to pop into the terminal to get some grub for the crew. I return to security and present my pass, which raised eyebrows since it was not a BHX issued pass. They then get even more anxious when I don't appear on their mystery list of names. They then ask to see my licence. 'That's not a problem' I replied but I then explained that it was on board the aircraft.... which was parked on a remote stand and to cap it all off it was pissing it down outside with heavy rain!!! :} The subsequent look of bewilderment on the security chaps face was well worth it!!! In the end they ended up calling a member of groundstaff to vouch for me! Pathetic!

We often have engineers travelling with as as supernumery crew. I often wondered why so many of them regularaly wear their stripes to work. The penny quickly dropped when it comes to security. Unfortunately the wearing of stripes has more of an effect in Southern Europe where the security regulations are slightly more relaxed anyway!

[Pontius's Copilot]

Hey chaps, why doesn't the CAA put a photograph of the holder in all UK professional licences! And then we could simply require all operators to notify the CAA whom they employ as aircrew - the Authority could then maintain a computerised record of all professional pilots etc working in this country.

What do you mean 'it can't be done'!

[36050100]

I was based at BHX a few years ago and the Security people there were doing the "inspect your licence" trick then. I always made a point of saying to them that I would not let them see my address incase they sent their mates round to rob my house. One guy said "what's up, don't you trust me ??" Priceless.

[norsman07]

Hey chaps, why doesn't the CAA put a photograph of the holder in all UK professional licences! And then we could simply require all operators to notify the CAA whom they employ as aircrew - the Authority could then maintain a computerised record of all professional pilots etc working in this country.

What do you mean 'it can't be done'!

That's great. Take it up with BALPA and the various DfT and CAA. In situations of ID check where all else fails that works for me.

[norsman07]

At my airport I work for Pax services. We sometimes have crew/engineers from airliners that are not based at my airport; therefore security will not allow them to go through the Validation Point with their own ID. So all we do is write out a manual boarding card and send them through the passenger route. Once they are through security they can then go over to a gate and ring our operations who will collect them from there.
So security would NOT allow them through on an ID which was issued by another Airport and approved by the DfT, but all I had was write their name on a manual boarding card and then they could just walk through the passenger security.

Ingenious! Unfortunately if your engineer is caught s/he will be arrested. Not worth it really is it. And you could lose your job to boot. The rules are there for a reason. Why is it people see them as a challenge rather than something to adhere to? They may seem crazy, we may not like them, but they're LAW




this is what security tell us to do and the only way they will let crew etc through:ugh:

Surely an international pass is recognised the world-over. There's always an OFFICIAL way round without resorting to that. But then again if that's what they tell you.

[JW411]

I, have in front of me, my CAA ATPL dated 10 February 1987. On the first page (No: FCL 150/1) there is a photograph of me embossed by the Civil Aviation Authority. All professional licences up to that date (and probably beyond) had a photograph of the holder on the opening page.

As best as I can recall, the photographs were withdrawn with the advent of JAA licenses on the basis that "photographs were unecessary".

Isn't progress wonderful?

[TheOddOne]

The problem is...

...one of validity. There was a series of SciFi books written by a bloke called Doc E.E. Smith about the galaxy-wide fight between good and evil, where he went on at length about the impossibility of REALLY proving that the ID of the good guys was genuine and sorting out the forgeries. Hence, we've got swipable passes, only issued locally, limits on temporary passes etc and all the hassle. The one good thing about being made redundant last year was that I no longer have to take my shoes off to go to work!

Actually, you're quite correct about journos. They are the REAL reason all these daft measures have been introduced. Every time a silly stunt is pulled and someone gets their photo taken airside having hidden in the back of a van or whatever, a new regulation gets dreamed up. Blame them, not the security staff!

TheOddOne

[stellair]

Oddone

Actually, you're quite correct about journos. They are the REAL reason all these daft measures have been introduced. Every time a silly stunt is pulled and someone gets their photo taken airside having hidden in the back of a van or whatever, a new regulation gets dreamed up. Blame them, not the security staff!


Very true :ok:


http://www.g4s.com/uk/uk-careers/uk-careers-security/uk-careers-security-rm-vacancies.htm?id=5865

[RoyHudd]

Fools, utter fools, who make the b...dy rules!

[Red Top Comanche]

I flew into Norwich a while back and left my bag in the plane while I was visiting a company there.

When I got back, security said, no licence, no access. I suggested that someone escort me to my aircraft which was within sight of the desk but they said "not possible". Only the timely intervention of the young lady from Flight Briefing who said hi as she walked past stopped me walking outside and through the unlocked gates to go and get my bag!!!!

But still not as much fun as opening my flight bag in Caen and taking out the leather man, Stanley knife, screwdrivers and assorted sharp objects, having then looked at and then putting them back in my bag and allowed to continue airside. I think they seemed more concerned about the light sticks!!!.

[Northern Listener]

Cunning way for one airport to stop have to escort people who don't have ID, issue random members of the public with an airside pass when they don't require one and they are not employed by an airline, airport, air handling agent or anything to do with aviation!

Then bored security gimp can go back to reading about security breach's in a sunny tabloid!

You couldn't make it up, :mad:ers!

[RAT 5]

Is it not called a ticket?