Rude on 123.45 last night

[Consol]

Anybody know who repeatedly used the phrase "The Eurotrash" meaning European pilots last night on 123.45Mhz around 40W at 2:30UTC? He was American accented and sounded particulary obnoxious. If someone knows who this individual is perhaps they might inform him that offensive language is prohibited by FCC rules amongst others. Given that he was quite probably flying quite a few Europeans to Europe he may wish to rethink his bigotry.:=

[Joe le Taxi]

In my experience, 'Eurotrash' is used in an endearing way as a description for Continental European 'yoof'; The term possibly being derived from a zany TV programme presented by Antoine de Caunes.

[Consol]

Aware of that thanks, he was not talking about a bizarre tv program but refering to European pilots on frequency.

[Rainboe]

I thought 123.45 was restricted to interminable American 'ride reports' and discussion of obscure baseball/American football/ice hockey scores? We now have racist comments?

[Joe le Taxi]

OK - but I have heard it used on a number of occasions, and never in a derogatory way. Other things he said may be.

The term 'Eurotrash' wouldn't bother me in itself though.

[exvicar]

And if you'd also like to tell him that I am very happy to be from this side of the pond!

[alexban]

Why are you keeping watch on 123.45? Except when using it to communicate with 'company' crew , we are only listening on 121.5 and the freq in use.
Were you talking and some smart guy get in saying that?
Why would you feel ofended by that?
If a stupid fool calls me names on the radio should I feel angry? It's just a chicken ,no balls to say that to you if you'll meet face to face. Why to be angry then, just ignore the stupid fool.:ok:

[IcePack]

Alexban, you show your ignorance of MNPS protocol.

[PantLoad]

Gentlemen:

On behalf of myself and all the other American pilots, please accept this apology for the rudeness of the idiot who displayed his stupidity the other night. I can, without question, say that the vast majority of Americans DO NOT FEEL THIS WAY!!!!

PantLoad

[Kit d'Rection KG]

If you'd heard what Portuguese fishermen get up to in the dead of night on channel 16 (the nautical equivalent of 121.5, ish), you'd realise we are relatively fortunate in the general conduct in aviation radiotelephony!

:ooh:

[Agaricus bisporus]

Unprofessional, possibly...Ill mannered, perhaps, foolish, probably, but racist, Oh, for God's sake get a life and grow up!

How can anyone be so pre-programmed with idiotic PC nonsense that he/she/it shouts "racist" every time a national/regional identity is uttered? Beats me. Shame on you.

racist and offensive language is prohibited by FCC rules

Oooooh!!! I'm scared now!!!

Do EEC rules now apply in mid Atlantic, Consol? Or is there some other point you're trying to make?

Methinks he doth protest too much!

[False Capture]

IcePack,

When it comes to communications across the Atlantic, most of us have:
- 121.5 MHz
- various HF frequencies with SELCAL
- ADS
- CPDLC
- SATCOM

Don't get your nickers in a twist just because someone's turned the volume down on what is basically a chat frequency (123.45 Mhz).;)

[FLCH]

What....you mean 123.45 is not for position reports to Gander/Shanwick ?? Come on Consol, there's better things in life to do other than being offended on the frequency. However I do second PantLoads comment. Now if there was only a way to stop that "private Polish chit-chat" (seen the Battle of Britain lately ?)

[haughtney1]

Whats the big deal? I thought being rude on 123.45 was common practise? just like its common practise for the Hun..errrr germans to use 121.50 for a chat channel over europe...
"Henrich can you hear me....."
If some knob..be they American or European is rude....use this simple tactic...be rude back:}

[IcePack]

Thank you Mike.

Q.E.D.

:)

[False Capture]

Quoting the NATS document which Mike posted:

"... the frequency 121.5 MHz is to be monitored by all aircraft ..."

"... it is recommended that aircraft additionally monitor 123.45 MHz ..."

It does not say the frequency 123.45 MHz is to be monitored, it simply says that aircraft are recommended to monitor 123.45 MHz. In this instance, alexban and his company are choosing not to follow the recommendation.

[airman13]

you make a confusion guy....alexban said what he thinks about 123,45 frq and not his company....sorry....

[Bigmouth]

So now there is a european race?

[grimmrad]

There are actually two - an "old" and a "new" one...

[Danny]

I was flying back from MCO last night and I heard the pilot being referred to. He made his statement after a couple of BA pilots exchanged some information with words to the effect of: "So when the 'Eurotrash' talk with each other no one tries to transmit over them!". I certainly wouldn't call it "racist". It was just a gung-ho pilot jock trying to be funny and failing miserably as no one really bothered respond to him.

I have found that I tune out most of the chatter on 123.45 as it is mostly inane and boring. There is almost always someone who tries to be funny and a few pilots will try and jump on the bandwagon but again, it is rarely so and not worth giving them the honour of acknowledging them.

So, turn down the volume for a while and more often than not, by the time you remember to turn it back up they have tired of their exchange and you can carry on monitoring. I find it is a sign of very little CAT when the 123.45 airwaves are being used by amateur comedians and sports fanatics trying to keep up with their baseball scores.

As for "Eurotrash"... I know we weren't bothered and just looked at each other and rolled our eyes whilst shaking our heads and commented that "theres's always one eejit who will let the side down" and last night it was that silly US pilot. However, it is not an exclusively American trait and I can remember many times cringing when listening to someone trying to be funny without the requisite skills on that frequency.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over the incident though. :rolleyes:

[RoyHudd]

Heard enough derogatory remarks about U.S/Canadian airline guys from plummy-voiced Brits (I'm one) on 123.45, and I just shrug the embarassing comments off. As Danny says, bored folk filling in time and the airwaves. No big deal.
And racist? Ludicrous comment.

[bomarc]

There are some wonderful UK actors who can do spot on American Accents...Mark addy I think for one (still standing sitcom).

You and I could never know if the actual speaker was american or just someone who can do a real nice accent from, let's say Chicago.

And if Eurotrash upsets you, just call him Trailer Trash and I think you will quiet him down.

There are a number of unofficial chat freqs out there...known in the US as:

winchester
earl schieb
top of the FM dial

for example. I'd love to hear from people that know these freqs, as they may be coming a lost bit of knowledge.

and only really worry when people start singing:

"I wish I were a (fill in the blank) air pilot
for that is what I would truly love to be
for if I were a (fill in the blank) air pilot

they would not have to pay me"

that got a couple of our guys a few days on the beach...but they swear it was worth it!

[Consol]

Okay racist might have been a bit much but he was over the top and trying to be offensive, he repeated the comments several times. Happen to enjoy most of the humorous comments on 123.45 and find nearly all US very helpful, witty and courteous. Just thought its a strange attitude to have to many of your passengers and fellow pilots. I detest p.c. too but we really don't need people like him broadcasting his insults to those of us based east of the pond. Just hoping any US flyers who know who it was would pass it on that he was quite offensive. That's all!

[Tim Dawson]

You need to grow a thick skin.

[parabellum]

Possibly this is a generation thing? Consol is obviously of a younger breed and just a bit too sensitive. Possibly would have helped if Consol had served even a short spell in HM forces and realised that taking the p1ss is a form of endorsement?

[bullshot]

Me Too (With Roons)
"Eurotrash" doesn't bother me at all
I am also a fan of Antoine de Coines (forgive the spelling)
BS

[cavortingcheetah]

:hmm:

For decades the Europeans have referred with total disparagement to those who live in forty nine, fifty or fifty one states as Yanks.
It seems highly appropriate that the Yanks should now refer to those who live in twenty seven states as Eurotrash.:rolleyes:

[bomarc]

This has been a real eye opener...some comments posted here I HAVE NEVER HEARD before.

and last time I checked , the USA only had 50 states, not 51.

and what is a boxhead?

ok, the following checklist should be used upon hearing a disparaging remark up on the radio.

upon hearing, pull checklist and read the following:

"sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never harm me"

[Huck]

Well I've been up to Paris,
and I've slept in a park.
Went down to Barcelona,
someone broke in my car.
And I'll search the world over
for my angel in black.
Yeah, I'll search the world over
for a Euro-trash Girl.

Took the train down to Athens,
and I bathed in a fountain.
Some Swiss junkie in Turin
ripped me off for my cash.
Yeah, I'll search the world over
for my angel in black.
Yeah, search the world over
for a Eurotrash Girl.

The CRS on the metro
shook me down for a bribe.
On my knees for the sergeant
when my passport arrived.
Yeah, I'll search the world over
for my angel in black.
Yeah, I'll search the world over
for a Euro-trash Girl

Euro-trash Girl, Euro-trash girl.
Euro-trash Girl, Euro-trash girl.

Called my mom from a payphone
I said "I'm down to my last."
She said "I sent you to college...
now go call your dad."
And the waitress that he married,
well she hung up the phone.
You know she never did like me,
but I can stand on my own.

Sold my plasma in Amsterdam.
Spent it all in a night,
buying drinks at the Melk Weg
for a soldier in drag.
And I'll search the world over
for my angel in black.
Yeah, I'll search the world over
for a Eurotrash Girl

Euro-trash Girl, Euro-trash girl.
Euro-trash Girl, Euro-trash girl.

Yeah, I'll search the world over
for my angel in black.
Yeah, I'll search the world over
for a Eurotrash Girl (solo Johnny)

Got a tattoo in Berlin
(and a case of the crabs).
A rose and a dagger
on the palm of my hand.
And I'll search the world over
for my angel in black.
Yeah, I'll search the world over
for a Eurotrash Girl.

Euro-trash Girl, Euro-trash girl.
Euro-trash Girl, Euro-trash girl.

Yeah, I'll search the world over
for my angel in black.
Yeah, I'll search the world over
for a Eurotrash Girl.

[False Capture]

... the lyrics from Cracker's 1994 single "Euro-Trash Girl".:8

[45989]

Yep, heard the muppet while eastbound the other night.Obviously taking lessons in manners/ ettiquette right from the top! Sad Really.

[Rainboe]

Must have been 6 or 7 years ago- middle of the night back across the Atlantic, on 123.45 an 'exchange' occurred. I'm pretty good at identifying languages, but this was weird. Some East European/Balkan one I think. Rapid crossfire of unintelligible chatter, becoming quite annoying as it went on. As soon as he could cut in, this very loud, tired sounding, angry, bored American voice demanded 'Would you shut that c*** up?' Silence. Hysterical.

Anyone heard anymore of the Russian anthem being broadcast at dawn mid Atlantic?

[A7700]

What says ICAO (various chapters from ANX 10)
5.2.1.7.3.2.6 Interpilot air-to-air communication shall be established on the air-to-air channel 123.45 MHz by either a directed call to a specific aircraft station or a general call, taking into account conditions pertaining to use of this channel.
Note.— For conditions on use of air-to-air channels see Annex 10, Volume V, 4.1.3.2.1, also Volume II, 5.2.2.1.1.4.[/COLOR] [COLOR="Lime"]5.2.1.7.3.2.6.1 PANS.— As the aircraft may be guarding more than one frequency, the initial call should include the distinctive channel identification “INTERPILOT”
4.1.3.2 Air-to-air communications channel
4.1.3.2.1 An air-to-air VHF communications channel on the frequency of 123.45 MHz shall be designated to enable aircraft engaged in flights over remote and oceanic areas out of range of VHF ground stations to exchange necessary
operational information and to facilitate the resolution of operational problems.
Note.— Use of the air-to-air channel can cause interference to and from aircraft using the same frequency for air-ground communications.
4.1.3.2.2 In remote and oceanic areas out of range of VHF ground stations, the air-to-air VHF communications channel on the frequency 123.45 MHz shall be available only with the characteristics as contained in Annex 10, Volume III, Part II, Chapter 2.
5.2.2.1.1.4 The user of the air-to-air VHF communications channel shall ensure that adequate watch is maintained on designated ATS frequencies, the frequency of the aeronautical emergency channel, and any other mandatory watch frequencies.
5.2.1.7.3.2.6.1 PANS.— As the aircraft may be guarding more than one frequency, the initial call should include the distinctive channel identification “INTERPILOT”.

[bomarc]

is it better to say nasty comments on the radio, or just write them on pprune?

I got into flying because I thought it would be a true brotherhood of people trying to make aviation safer and our jobs better. thoughtful, dedicated, and having great qualities of leadership.

oh boy, was I wrong!

[bomarc]

rainboe, does that imply that there are loudmouths who do belong here?

[virgo]

A few years ago, on 123.45, 02.00 hours, mid-atlantic......
"Delta, what's your ride like at 310 ?"
"It's so rough up here I've got white-caps on my coffee !"
"Roger Delta. Clipper, How's your ride at 330 ?"
"Real bad, my first officer's just stuck his fork in his eye !"
"Roger Clipper. Speedbird, what's it like at 350 ?"
In a cut-glass English accent............
"Sorry old boy, can't help, nobody's eating or drinking"
Silence
Those were the days !

[Iceman49]

Listened to the conversation the other night on 123.45, Euro trash comments were tacky, just as the person that kept trying to intefere with the keying of the mike. Everyone needs to grow up and move on.

[jonjoe]

This thread should be re-named........... 123.45...........
3 pages now of pointless chatter.

[False Capture]

Well done jonjoe you've just added to it.:D

[swordsman]

Who is it that when everything is quiet lets a long fart into I presume the hand held mic or the other joker that transmits a steam train ?

[zerozero]

Can you imagine? Little children look up to us.

:cool:

[bomarc]

Many years ago, a highly secret organization used 123.45mhz to keep tabs on certain transdimensional activities in the New Jersey Area.

World Watch One was set up to investigate and counter a threat from the 8th dimension by lord whorfin. use of the previously restricted freqency was granted under the transient bomber bill passed by the US congress. World Watch One was a mobile unit with special investigative instruments and was manned by the famous COLODNY brothers, Perfect Tommy, Rawhide, Reno, New Jersey and someone who will remain nameless for the time being!

It was only recently that 123.45 was granted international use. And monitoring is not unheard of now a days.

IT IS therefore possible that a reflected , or so called bounceback transmission, from some 12.0 light years away (in the neighborhood of the dog star, sirius) has recently been heard on certain trans atlantic flights.
as these transmissions may have included ship to ship chatter during an active combat mission, many oaths, epitaths and the like may have been uttered in the heat of battle(though be it known that blue blaze strike teams were not involved)...certain other phrases if heard in the next few days may permeate the airwaves.

therefore be on guard for such phrases as:

MONKEY BOY

and "it ain't my planet monkey boy".

tests of the oscillation overthuster at a nevada test site in the next few days may also cause interference on the above frequency.

SO PLEASE USE CAUTION and do not take personal offense MONKEY BOY.

bomarc

(who knows the secret e mail address of pinky caruthers)



(yeah, go ahead and ban me monkey boy)

[grumpyoldgeek]

If someone knows who this individual is perhaps they might inform him that offensive language is prohibited by FCC rules amongst others.

FCC regs prohibit profanity, not offensiveness. There's still a difference.

[alexban]

Icepack ,sorry for the ignorance,but where I fly, the 123.45 freq is used only for 'chatting' ,so if one want to improve one's knowlege of foreign languages should listen on 123.45 ,otherwise only 121.5 is mandatory on our books..
I'm not flying NAT and I don't intend to,so I'm a bit 'ignorant ' on MNPS :E...my loss:hmm:

[Aircart]

I just turned the vol down, did my head in, nice view of northern lights on NAT V at 45w though.
:ok:

[apeas2]

You guys have your priorities all messed up. Try reading the paper, listening to your ipod and pull your laptop out. :D

[Nimrod6]

I thought Eurotrash was DHL's callsign... or is it Eurotrans... ah hell it all sounds the same

[Self Loading Freight]

Technically, it's (reasonably) simple to silently encode an aircraft's registration and even position on each voice transmission, at least on VHF, so that a suitably equipped receiver would flash up the transmitter's ID. Complexity and cost need not be an issue - I have a pair of $20 walkie-talkies that do this.

I can see good safety reasons for doing this - identifying stuck microphones, an extra level of information during emergencies, an aid to ATC in general - and it would have a salutary effect on radio discipline. And the quality of abuse: if you're going to crack a joke on 123.45, you'll make sure it's good enough to have your name attached.

R

[blimey]

I don't mind who says what - it's the only thing that keeps me awake :bored:

[bugg smasher]

Sometimes it does get inspired though. Not so long ago eastbound, some wise guy transmitted the sound of a crowing rooster just as the sun’s corona was becoming visible at thirty west. Instantly followed by a multi-aircraft barnyard chorus of pigs, cows, donkeys, sheep etc etc.

Amazing really, what airline pilots store on their laptops.

[Floppy Link]

Yep,
once on T16 northbound from Canarias I heard on 123.45 the unmistakable soundtrack from the climactic portion of a porn movie. Lasted for about 10 seconds. Well it was either a porn movie or the real thing...

It was only after my colleague returned from the loo that I realised I should have asked for a ride report.

[BackPacker]

Just a quick question. Seems to me like 123.45 is not just used in "remote and oceanic areas" anymore like it was designated many moons ago. Anybody knows any airfields that operate on 123.45 and might be hindred by all the chit-chat?

Have to admit it was very useful when coordinating a very loose formation of four small aircraft over the channel a while ago, particularly when one, for undetermined reasons, could not talk to London Info.

[Richard Taylor]

Bristow at ABZ use 123.45 as their company freq.

[west lakes]

Got a handy book here lists 123.45
Company ops/aberdeen - operations
UK/Shanwick Oceanic - Air/Air
UNST - operations