Good News!! New 737 Airline!

[Extankerman]

Picking up from a topic started on the 'BWA Go Bust' thread, this surely Warrens (sic) its own thread.

It seems to be more than a rumour that the ex-CEO of BWA and some other people with associations with that airline will be setting up a new 737 operation in the Spring of 2002.

If true, this is certainly great news for those who stand to be out of work following BWA's demise. Even more fortunate that the organizers of the new airline had the foresight, earlier this year, to see the gap in the market that would be created at this time.

Does anyone have any more information?

When one door closes, another opens!

[Dick I Natwat]

Yes great if some ex BWA guys find jobs.
They must be very clever people if they manage to secure some IT work soon.
Still with BWA gone and one less competitor I suppose it makes things a little easier for them.
Great work guys. :confused:

[Holt CJ]

Extankerman

Since you choose to start a new thread founded upon my post on the 'BWA Go Bust' thread, do please have the courtesy to quote me so that others may follow your drift. :D

I repeat my post below.

"Dear All

You must make of this what you will, I’m afraid:On 7 August 2000, a BWA Director resigned, allegedly after his attempts to have the company placed under administration were thwarted by fellow Directors;

On 20 October 2000, BWA’s Auditor resigned;

On 12 January 20001, another BWA Director resigned;

On 17 January 2001, that is 5 days after the second resignation above, a new Company was incorporated by registration at Companies House. The new Company was named as “Astraeus”. The Company’s “nature of business” was not specified. Its registered office was then 38 Gower Road, Horley, Surrey RH6 8SH;

On 1 February 2001, Astraeus’s Company Secretary and one Director resigned;

On 12 February 2001, two new Directors and a new Company Secretary were appointed at Astraeus;

On 23 February 2001, another BWA Director resigned;

On 4 October 2001, particulars of Astraeus’s Company Secretary and of two Directors were notified as changed, concomitant with notification of a change of Astraeus’s registered office to: (Crashy here - I've edited-out the name of an individuals private residence, Of course should anybody really have wish to find out more, then they can approach companies house themselves for it) ; and

On 10 December 2001, just four days ago, yet another BWA Director resigned. :eek: :eek: :eek:

I do not suggest for a moment that anything untoward or illegal has been done here. However, my heart truly goes out to all the loyal and dedicated employees who have given so much to BWA. I suspect you deserve much better than you have received. :) :rolleyes: :( "

[ 14 December 2001: Message edited by: CrashDive ]

[Extankerman]

Holt CJ,

Apologies, Old Boy!

When I started to compose my 'Starter for 10' I had not read your post, merely a few sketchy comments from people who had got a sniff of what was in the air.

You clearly have the detailed gen., so, over to you.

I think that the plot is thickening.

Cheers!

[Holt CJ]

Extankerman

Apology gratefully and heartily accepted.

I placed the above information into the public arena so that others may now seek 'the detailed gen.', so to speak.

Methinks the plot began thickening more than a year ago in fact.

It is high time that our Parliamentary legislators took steps to prevent such antics, don't you think? The greater good, and all that? :o :mad:

[Holt CJ]

Also now edited as irrelevant to the real issues. :D

[ 14 December 2001: Message edited by: Holt CJ ]

[black beauty]

Surely it's not important who posted what first. What is important are the decent employees who have been so badly let down by the management of the Company who all promised that BWA would be a far better Company with their expertise and commitment. Nice timing guys! :(

[Holt CJ]

Precisely, black beauty, precisely. And timing is the nexus of understanding what has really been going on behind the scenes, is it not? :cool:

[Holt CJ]

Edited for the sake of BOTFOJ's continued enjoyment of this site. :D

[ 14 December 2001: Message edited by: Holt CJ ]

[The Guvnor]

Since this is where I suspect the most interesting discussions will take place, I've taken the liberty of duplicating my latest post from the BWA Goes Bust thread...

I would say that this is looking like a rather planned failure - especially as the process of applying for an AOC and Operating Licence is one that takes anything up to a year.

Getting a company up and running with 5 x 737s by next spring is not something that happens overnight - and is certainly not something that could happen if the process was only started yesterday.

Some interesting legal aspects arise - and perhaps Holt CJ could advise on them: if it were known by directors of a company that their existing company was insolvent or about to become insolvent, and they were involved in a new company which was being in effect set up to continue the existing business without its liabilities, then (a) where would that leave them vis-a-vis the creditors (including employees) of the existing company - who must surely be in a weakened position; and (b) if business that should have gone to the existing company is, in fact, being channelled to the new company - is this legal?

Finally, should persons involved in such activities be allowed to act as CAA Postholders?

[ABBOT]

I do not believe that any employees of the sadly demised BWA have ever done down the company, we all liked it far too much for that. I feel the truth will out much more quickly than we could ever hope, or some would believe possible :D

[BOTFOJ]

thanks HOLT CJ - you are a true gent.

[ 14 December 2001: Message edited by: BOTFOJ ]

[black beauty]

Holt C J - oh yes!

[gingernutter]

look, you lot, get real. BWA has gone, (who cares if it's BWA or BWL) The receivers are in, the aircraft are impounded, the staff are redundant. Lets stop all the crap, To all you BWA employees out there, go look for work, you will find it, but don't expect some miraculous company to form overnight to pick up the peices this time, it isn't going to happen. God bless you all ... :( :( :(

[Dick I Natwat]

Gingnut your right but you could put it a little more sensitivly at this time.
It would just be interesting to know who was in on this cunning stunt (apart from the obvious)
Good luck guys and let the beers flow tonight :) :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Moses Mashomba]

Guv if you can do it then so can I, that is repro a posting in another thread, so here goes - Guv, just because you couldn't set up an Airline up in three months doesn't mean that it can't be done, because it can. Apart from which you're a fine one to be talking about insolvency because your're a crook as many, who've had the misfortune to have dealings with you, sadly know to their cost !

Which puts me in mind of the expression "What's sauce for the goose, etc" in that if you think that there may have been some infringement of the rules, which might then call into question an AOC application (which it won't) then surely somebody with your, how shall I put this ?, 'colorful' background is almost certain to never rise above the 'directorship' of their pathetic virtual airline - how's that going by the way ? Oh that's right, it's not, is it ?!

As such I suggest you stick to your dreams you ****, and stop ripping people off too !

[BOTFOJ]

Moses, I have no opinion of the Guv either way and believe me I know a thing or two about this business, but what the Fúck is the point of trying to discuss whats going on at British World if you are going to 7500 anything that he contributes to, this isnt the time, you are just spoiling an excellent thread. If you want to carry on spouting start your own thread, BB or whatever, and dont spill my pint on your way to the door.

[WhiteSail]

;) Abbot, I think your right and its getting better by the minute!

[ABBOT]

Whitesail,

Oh what a tangled web, but we are getting there. :D

[Will Smith]

I do not know what is legal or what is correct, so all below is "alleged"
One of our bosses started giving business away to other airlines and warding off any new business going to BWA, by implying it could be touch and go that there will be any BWA soon,BUT he is a director of this new company which is touting for work :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
So make of this "allegation" what you will but as I said on 'BWA goes bust' I have just finished working with the finest and funniest group of guys and girls in aviation.

[ABBOT]

Thanks TL, so it was a home run. comms check complete :D

[CrashDive]

ABBOT - grow up !

[The Southend King]

Ah, there we go, wander down to the pub with the lads to comiserate over the loss of my job, only to come back and find all kinds of rogues making micschief.

SO EXTANKERMAN, hows the old Freight business treating you. Glad to see the fact that you took BWA for a 737 course then pi**ed off double quick without paying your bond still leaves you with such an intense interset in the well being of your former colleagues. Stop Sh*t stirring.

Now, I've spent some time in the old office of BWA lately, worrying about how I was going to manage in old and cold ABZ. Here's a few things of note.

I understand that since September 11th we have operated one (count them up, boys , 1) sub-charter. Not one per day or even 1 per week, nope just 1. We have three 737'3 sitting on the ground for weeks ( almost like the old ATP guys eh).

And the ATP's have been doing nothing since we came back from Las Palmas ( apart from our Northern Brethern of course, bless their warm thermal socks).

So to me, that looks like LOTS of money going out..and LITTLE money coming in.. doesn't look too good eh?

Now, along comes our friends from NJI, dropping a half million debt on the books. Our friendly BAA man takes fright and ends up grounding half the bloody fleet ( there goes the customer confidence). And yesterday, as if on cue, our ever so friendly BAE people pull the plug on two ATP leases ( pure co-incidence that they owed us £340,000 , that they didn't want to pay).

And what does this all add up to....we're broke, we have little or no work, our customers are abandoning us in droves because they ain't sure we're going to be able to carry their pax ( hard to make them believe otherwise with an aircraft impounded)......and we go Bust.

So, all you wonderful conspiracy theorists out there...get a life. We gave them a good run for their money, every Winter for as long as I've been with BWA we 've struggled like hell to make it to April. This year it caught up with us.

I've had a great time with the BWA brigade. I thought the new team this year would really pull it off.......but circumstances, and maybe some crap decisions of their predecessors caught up with us ( Who's wonderful idea was it to get wrapped up in NJI, by the way?).

So to my colleagues all, Thanks for the memories. We can at least say we survived the Sabena's, Swissair's, Air Europe,s of this world. And we did it with fun.

Edited for overconsuption of Abbots

[ 15 December 2001: Message edited by: The Southend King ]

[The Southend King]

Clematis , my dear.

You seem very bitter and twisted, not like you.

Your "allegations", I would suggest are sailing fairly close the old Northerly Breeze whistling around your nethers. Wouldn't like to see you defend such "allegations " in court.

Any proof...or just looking for someone to blame.

Tell you what, why not let's get totogether down the Old Cherry Tree, and I'll help take your mind of it :)

[Will Smith]

South end king
Not bitter not twisted but sorry, thought anybody not at Viscount should know what came through on the fax today!!!

[Will Smith]

Also would love to come down the Cherry Tree with you SK but we need to find someone with money to buy, any suggestions?

[The Southend King]

Oh Clematis Darling, never thought you cared. I saw the fax, and polished off my CV double quick.But didn't see anything of:-
One of our bosses started giving business away to other airlines and warding off any new business going to BWA, by implying it could be touch and go that there will be any BWA soon,BUT he is a director of this new company which is touting for work

You must have read a different fax to me. Or are you keeping a supply of Mills and Boom Fiction under that lovely desk of yours.

And I think old EXTANKERMAN will grab us a beer or two, he always had a soft spot for you
:)

Edited because I really must not post on here after a skinful :)

[ 15 December 2001: Message edited by: The Southend King ]

[The Southend King]

Oh,
and if we're going to have conspiracy stuff to think about, how come an NJI 146 pilot was asked 2 weeks ago if he was interested in flying a 146 out of Aberdeen to Scatsa on an Oil contract, and lo and behold, this morning there are 146's operating ABZ to Scatsa.

Maybe our neighbours downstairs were plotting our downfall all along.

Wonder if Elvis still works down the chip shop.

[Will Smith]

Sorry to confuse but the info talked about came from sales team who started getting strange phone calls, from then clients, saying why are we being told dont use BWA :eek: :eek:

[The Southend King]

Ahh, customers being told today "dont use BWA they might go Bust"....and the we go bust.

but I still don't get:-

One of our bosses started giving business away to other airlines and warding off any new business going to BWA, by implying it could be touch and go that there will be any BWA soon,

from that as most of our competitors would (and probably have) said as much for the last month. I had a phone call from a friend in Brymon two weeks ago, concerned that I had lost my job, because he had heard it from some of their senior people that we had gone under.

I just don't understand why all you guys want to blame one guy for our downfall, when he was the guy getting us all the work next year, and most of the work last year.

Unless of the course, the Teflon King is putting this around ;)

[The Southend King]

I really should go to bed, but this is just too much fun, and I don't have to be up early tomorrow (no calls from crewing likely)...

Holt CJ ( Oh Master Conspiracy Plotter)answer me this:-

As you can access all of this stuff, has any of the directors who resigned between 7 Aug 2000 2000 and 12 Jan 2001 been named as being part of Astraeus.

Did any of the named Directors of Astraeus work for BWA at the time of company registration?

All I read form your post is that Astreaus had less movement of directors than BWA had. I don't see any relation between the two....and if a certain BWA employee is involved, how come he wasn't working for BWA when Astreaus was registered.


It,s a bit like saying:-

On 7 August 2000, I lost my Black pen and my favourite key ring

On 12 October 2000, the MD of the manufacturers of my favourite pens resigned

on 13 January 2001, I lost another black pen (these ATP cockpits are a bastard for that)

On 17 January 2001 ( thats 5 days after I lost my last pen), A new manufacturer of pens was launched ( they look nice, might get one). They have an office somewhere.

On 1 February 2001, this new company get a new boss ( not sure why I'm interested at this stage, but I still fancy one of their pens)

on 12 February 2001, this new pen company get a new boss and new secretary ( they look nice in the photo..I relly must try their pens)

On 23 February, I lost another pen ( the turbulence in winter in ABZ is Awful)

On 4th October 2001, the new pen company have moved offices ( I've bought one of their pens, not as good as the look)

On 10 December I lost my new pen ( bummer)


Hmmm...I sense a conspiracy ...are pen manufacturers trying to sabotage my aircraft


:) :) :)

[ 15 December 2001: Message edited by: The Southend King ]

[fms146]

The Southend King

Please explain to me why you find it nescassary to assume that your Neighbours downstairs have plotted your downfall.

As a matter of record there is only one ex NJI pilot lucky enough to be employed by your said neighbours and you know you did not speak to him. It is one thing to make up stories that make you feel important but it is quite another when your comments affect the lives and reputations of innocent people...Tread carefully..very carefully.

[Holt CJ]

Crashdive

I apologise if I have breached PruNe rules by publishing a company’s listed office address. Please accept in mitigation that I had no idea it was a private residence as you suggest. My assumption was that, since a registered office address, it was precisely that and no more. :o

The Southend King

Having dozed off for a while, then woken, I have tiptoed downstairs for a glass of milk and a biscuit. Couldn’t keep myself from taking a peek at PruNe and found your many posts on this thread.

Reluctant as I am to respond to obvious mischief-making, I nonetheless offer you the following food for thought:

Conspiracy theory is fundamentally flawed. However, understanding the vagaries of human nature is a practised art. And when one has practised this art long enough, one becomes endowed with an ability to smell the proverbial rat at a considerable distance.

Let me repeat my earlier assertion that I do not suggest anything untoward or illegal has transpired here. However, if current evidence pointed to skulduggery, I would be among the first to come right out and say so. Such is my nature.

I am not satisfied that BWA’s demise was in any way inevitable. And I am puzzled by its activities over the past year or so. The ‘Recent Filing History’ of the company provides some clues, in that it points to considerable recent turmoil. When BOTFOJ posted the name of Astraeus, I made a comparison between Companies House filings on BWA and Astraeus and established the series of events posted earlier.

Make of it what you will. You are free to draw whatever inference you wish, including the puerile scenario you depict. It is a question of credibility. It is for others to decide whether your ‘black pen and key ring’ theory holds water.

My own instincts are that we have here a classic case of the Rattus Rattus. As always, the truth will out in time.

Without wishing to offer too much offence, I would have some difficulty placing credence upon the words of a self-proclaimed ‘King’ whose interests encompass nothing more than ‘occasionally flying aircraft’. And anyone using NTL for Internet access is surely deficient in at least one important sense. :D

It seems to me that you are altogether too flippant with respect to your loss of employment. You would not be basking in the glorious certainty that you will soon be re-employed by another company named above, would you? :eek:

[ 15 December 2001: Message edited by: Holt CJ ]

[Donkey Duke]

What a bunch of Nerds. The Nerds are back, and they're BAD!

Thanks. Donkey Duke :cool: :cool: :cool:


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