judy the rudder
28th Nov 2006, 13:22
Hello to all , I need some viewpoints from pilots and other forms of aviation and tell me what the CAA would think of companies not having the dicipline of having published approach in front of the person flying the metal and relying totally on your NFP to call the relevent calls.
I have just started in a biz jet enviroment and am shocked that only one person holds the information.And from the other forum it seems I am hitting a brick wall. Is is me or do airliners also have the policy of only one approach plate on the flight deck? The reasons I have had from the Biz jet forum is CRM will sort this out, and it works if you have time to brief, and there isnt anough room for a another Jeppesen. I dont know about you but if someone tells me factual information in a matter of minutes (like a pre approach brief) half of it I have forgotten.
In the absence of good CRM/MCC/ on screen appraoches, what ensures the safety of the flight at a unfimilar airport? It just seems to much like driving the car whilst my partner has the map and you get annoyed beacuse you they misundertsand what they percieve even though at the beginning of the journey you spoke about it before you got into the car!
I used to fly with allsorts of nationalites where english was never a primary language so it was always SOP and good practice to be able to view the procedure at anytime. I can only go with the flow and follow my comapnies line but feel quite strongly nevertheless.It clearly is working so far for some I just hope one never gets into a situation where one day someone somebody someday makes a misleading statement half an hour after the brief. You cannot see words of course and a picture as they say says a thousand words and insures against this surley?
In time once I am used to this concept with my operator I will no doubt get used to it .CFIT accidents are more common in Corporate and Private aviation and it does make me wonder if this ever played role.After having a debate about it the otherday I though let me seek pprune!:ok:
Shucks maybe I picked the wrong type of aviation!
I have just started in a biz jet enviroment and am shocked that only one person holds the information.And from the other forum it seems I am hitting a brick wall. Is is me or do airliners also have the policy of only one approach plate on the flight deck? The reasons I have had from the Biz jet forum is CRM will sort this out, and it works if you have time to brief, and there isnt anough room for a another Jeppesen. I dont know about you but if someone tells me factual information in a matter of minutes (like a pre approach brief) half of it I have forgotten.
In the absence of good CRM/MCC/ on screen appraoches, what ensures the safety of the flight at a unfimilar airport? It just seems to much like driving the car whilst my partner has the map and you get annoyed beacuse you they misundertsand what they percieve even though at the beginning of the journey you spoke about it before you got into the car!
I used to fly with allsorts of nationalites where english was never a primary language so it was always SOP and good practice to be able to view the procedure at anytime. I can only go with the flow and follow my comapnies line but feel quite strongly nevertheless.It clearly is working so far for some I just hope one never gets into a situation where one day someone somebody someday makes a misleading statement half an hour after the brief. You cannot see words of course and a picture as they say says a thousand words and insures against this surley?
In time once I am used to this concept with my operator I will no doubt get used to it .CFIT accidents are more common in Corporate and Private aviation and it does make me wonder if this ever played role.After having a debate about it the otherday I though let me seek pprune!:ok:
Shucks maybe I picked the wrong type of aviation!