IRpilot2006
25th Sep 2006, 08:02
I have an IR and fly both VFR and IFR in the European enroute airway system, piston SEP.
The curious thing is that you can fly VFR through say Belgium, say at FL075 (Class C perhaps) and get a service from Brussels, from apparently the same controller who would talk to you if you were going through there IFR at FL150. In both cases they give you what is pretty obviously a radar service, and vectors if they need to. He has obviously got your VFR route on his computer..
A very smooth kind of system.
Whereas here in the UK, this doesn't seem to work.
If you fly VFR in G and call up London Control, they will tell you to b*gger off, politely of course. Well, this is what everybody assumes; I have never tried it myself and don't intend to. Like most people, I fly in Class G with no service, or possibly with some sort of LARS if I can get it.
I have some questions for ATC:
Let's say you have the IMC Rating, which allows you to fly IFR (UK only, not in Class A). It is possible, with some considerable effort, to file a Eurocontrol-accepted IFR flight plan through a bit of the UK without going into Class A. But ATC won't know that you have no Class A privileges. What would happen if you got vectored off your filed route? I know of somebody who actually did this, in perfect ignorance of reality, and LC got extremely confused when told he could not go into Class A.
Why do we have this highly divided system in the UK?
Currently, if you file an IFR flight plan (through your local airfield facilities, like most PPLs seem to do) it gets addressed like it was VFR i.e. dep, dest and possibly enroute FIS. So there is no implied airways-style enroute clearance. If you turn up at a piece of Class D, the controller knows nothing about you and you have to beg for a transit. Occassionally, perhaps according to how non-slick your radio work is, it gets refused and you have to dogleg. The "advantage" is that nobody checks the IFR flight plan; it could be routed through a bunch of villages for all anybody cares. But if you know what you are doing, say you use homebriefing.com, you can file it through Eurocontrol and if the route was accepted then every ATS unit enroute should know about you and you should have the highly desired enroute clearance. There are also ways to get a FP through Eurocontrol with minimal route checking, by using DCTs or the term "GAT".
An example would be an IFR flight from Lydd to Scilly Isles at FL050. It can be done wholly in G+D. Currently, Solent/Bournemouth can refuse a transit. But if you managed to get the route through CFMU then you should sail through. But LC will probably give you a climb to SAM to FL100, to clear the traffic below, which would take you into Class A which you can't go into.
Comments?
The curious thing is that you can fly VFR through say Belgium, say at FL075 (Class C perhaps) and get a service from Brussels, from apparently the same controller who would talk to you if you were going through there IFR at FL150. In both cases they give you what is pretty obviously a radar service, and vectors if they need to. He has obviously got your VFR route on his computer..
A very smooth kind of system.
Whereas here in the UK, this doesn't seem to work.
If you fly VFR in G and call up London Control, they will tell you to b*gger off, politely of course. Well, this is what everybody assumes; I have never tried it myself and don't intend to. Like most people, I fly in Class G with no service, or possibly with some sort of LARS if I can get it.
I have some questions for ATC:
Let's say you have the IMC Rating, which allows you to fly IFR (UK only, not in Class A). It is possible, with some considerable effort, to file a Eurocontrol-accepted IFR flight plan through a bit of the UK without going into Class A. But ATC won't know that you have no Class A privileges. What would happen if you got vectored off your filed route? I know of somebody who actually did this, in perfect ignorance of reality, and LC got extremely confused when told he could not go into Class A.
Why do we have this highly divided system in the UK?
Currently, if you file an IFR flight plan (through your local airfield facilities, like most PPLs seem to do) it gets addressed like it was VFR i.e. dep, dest and possibly enroute FIS. So there is no implied airways-style enroute clearance. If you turn up at a piece of Class D, the controller knows nothing about you and you have to beg for a transit. Occassionally, perhaps according to how non-slick your radio work is, it gets refused and you have to dogleg. The "advantage" is that nobody checks the IFR flight plan; it could be routed through a bunch of villages for all anybody cares. But if you know what you are doing, say you use homebriefing.com, you can file it through Eurocontrol and if the route was accepted then every ATS unit enroute should know about you and you should have the highly desired enroute clearance. There are also ways to get a FP through Eurocontrol with minimal route checking, by using DCTs or the term "GAT".
An example would be an IFR flight from Lydd to Scilly Isles at FL050. It can be done wholly in G+D. Currently, Solent/Bournemouth can refuse a transit. But if you managed to get the route through CFMU then you should sail through. But LC will probably give you a climb to SAM to FL100, to clear the traffic below, which would take you into Class A which you can't go into.
Comments?