pakeha-boy
30th Jul 2006, 18:11
Couple of weeks ago hand a go-around with a controller,on a flight from Kphx-Kmsp...any and all feel free to comment.I have a few mates who are controllers and we dig one another all the time,so this is not a pissandmoan or attack but a situation that occured.
The flight was a canned flight plan,Kphx-Kmsp with the usual dispatch stuff,a SID and a STAR.Filed altitude was FL370.At my decent point via the computer generated decent profile,Iasked for lower as this was based on a crossing fix,ie,,.."turbojets expect 1100","turboprops expect 9000"....controller came back and said unable due to crossing traffic...no worries,well pick up the decent rate if he gives me the clearance.
After about 4 mins,the controller gives me a decent to FL240,prod page shows we are about 6000FT above profile,a couple of minutes later we get ,...decend and maintain 11000.....so we start down,way above profile and evan though we "expected" the 11000,my thoughts were that the controller saw this a recognised that we would be unable to make the retriction....not to be.
Several minutes later the controller asks me if I,m going to be able to make the 11000ft restriction and I reply ...you never gave us that clearance..his reply was...did you not expect it....I repled... yes I.did..but thats not the clearance you gave me...you only cleared me to 11000,...not to cross the fix at 11000.....we could have made it,but emergency decents are not part of a normal profile,
Well mate!!! that was the wrong thing to say...we get turned off the airway,..a given the ol telephone # to call(love to hear other buggars get that)....as it turns out everything was ticketyboo,landed without incident
Talking to Tracon super...he informs me we both had our heads up are arses,no foul,no worries.....good bloke,easy going...
My question to him was...I was with the misses last night,I"expected" a little bit of "slap and tickle" but never got it...... the STAR said "expect 11000" but I never got that clearance ethier...
My question(and Ive checked the FAR,S)do most controllers "expect" you to make a crossing restricrion even if you havent been given that clearance...
Like I said,this is not a parting shot or pissandmoan.....I beat my ATC Controller mate in golf all the time!!!
kia kaha PB
The flight was a canned flight plan,Kphx-Kmsp with the usual dispatch stuff,a SID and a STAR.Filed altitude was FL370.At my decent point via the computer generated decent profile,Iasked for lower as this was based on a crossing fix,ie,,.."turbojets expect 1100","turboprops expect 9000"....controller came back and said unable due to crossing traffic...no worries,well pick up the decent rate if he gives me the clearance.
After about 4 mins,the controller gives me a decent to FL240,prod page shows we are about 6000FT above profile,a couple of minutes later we get ,...decend and maintain 11000.....so we start down,way above profile and evan though we "expected" the 11000,my thoughts were that the controller saw this a recognised that we would be unable to make the retriction....not to be.
Several minutes later the controller asks me if I,m going to be able to make the 11000ft restriction and I reply ...you never gave us that clearance..his reply was...did you not expect it....I repled... yes I.did..but thats not the clearance you gave me...you only cleared me to 11000,...not to cross the fix at 11000.....we could have made it,but emergency decents are not part of a normal profile,
Well mate!!! that was the wrong thing to say...we get turned off the airway,..a given the ol telephone # to call(love to hear other buggars get that)....as it turns out everything was ticketyboo,landed without incident
Talking to Tracon super...he informs me we both had our heads up are arses,no foul,no worries.....good bloke,easy going...
My question to him was...I was with the misses last night,I"expected" a little bit of "slap and tickle" but never got it...... the STAR said "expect 11000" but I never got that clearance ethier...
My question(and Ive checked the FAR,S)do most controllers "expect" you to make a crossing restricrion even if you havent been given that clearance...
Like I said,this is not a parting shot or pissandmoan.....I beat my ATC Controller mate in golf all the time!!!
kia kaha PB