DEC's at EK

[Tail Rota]

Guys

please please please......:ugh: we have to accept a very real fact about working at EK. .........and that fact is........ we are all contract pilots. I have said this before and will say it again. I have signed a contract with EK that says nothing about being promoted let alone in seniority.

My contract from a couple of years ago will surely be different from guys joining today. Its an idividual contract and that is just the way they like it. :cool:

EK are expanding at a great rate and the commands are coming thick and fast at. It may not be at the pace you had hoped or like....but they are coming. The 380 is just around the corner and when it arrives you will all be toooooo busy to complain here....:E

over and out.

TR:ok:

[Saltaire]

Wee little man...

Not the point you dolt, it's about a flawed, unfair and inequitable process creating division within the group. As mentioned below, they are hiring DEC's with no widebody command with little or no international exposure.

Pass on the donut :ugh:

[giovane]

Saltaire.
I think everybody agrees with your sentiment that the whole process of CMD distribution at EK is flawed. ( unless your the guy getting the quick command of course !)

I feel the main gripe people have is the belittlement of charter command.

You can't give the charter guys who get the quick commands grief, or suggest there previous experience is irrelevent, you gotta give EK management grief for allowing it to happen!!( especially the DEC's who are from S/Haul no nightstop background!)

I still really feel that with the continued expansion at EK and the imminent arrival of the A380, there will be enough commands for everyone who's a half decent operator and been in the sand pit for more than three years, in the next 18 months or so.

I can understand your frustrations

Good luck

[Warlock2000]

I still really feel that with the continued expansion at EK and the imminent arrival of the A380, there will be enough commands for everyone

When do the 1st A330's start departing??

[fatbus]

330's were to start to leave in 07, but that is more or less delayed due to the 380. 332/334/345 staying much the same level until at least 2010 as per trng meeting.
what fleet is upgrading out or senority? AB has posted or advised those upgrading into 08 ( not sure of the numbers ). 3 year guys still go first. the AB is at about 4 years at the momment and they are working throughthe list as fast as they can.Boeing is a different storey. there is AB accell upgrade guys going to the boeing and there is transition upgrade ( abit goofy) AB to B.
The company cant train any faster than its doing and trying to wet lease training from all 4 corners but guess what? everyone is too busy training. Stand by for parked airplanes.
Still good product coming to EK.
You will only read the negitive here on pprune.
Dubai is not near as nice at it was a few years back but EK still not that bad.
Biggest draw back right now for me would be 8 days off a month and bagged all the time, that in itself would cause lots off neg remarks.
There is also a lot of pilots that have done there time and want to go home.

[Tail Rota]

Finally some facts

thanks Fatbus. :E is it true the A380 is due now around April. and there is going to be a 100 aircraft order at the Paris airshow


TR:ok:

[Saltaire]

Giovane,

Agreed, well said.

[Capt737AA]

I've heard from my two EK sources that the DEC program may very well be shutting down in March. They say March will be the last month they interview for DEC's.

Can any of you other EK guys out there in DXB land know anything yay or nay on the subject... TP, anyone???

Thanks

Capt737AA

[NG_Kaptain]

Did you get interviewed? Or are you looking at Etihad.

[cerbus]

It is coming to an end so we don't have to put up with pilots like you Capt American. We don't need the likes of you and your coharts at our airline.

[ironbutt57]

They must have needed them or else they wouldnt have hired them, and unless you are Emirati there "cerbus", it's not your airline anyway..if you are Emirati then pls accept my apology..

[LHR Rain]

There is a lot to be negative about here in Dubai and working for Emirates that is true mate. However none of the negativity is baseless or even lies. Pilots are speaking with their emotions but they telling the truth and that is what drives SC like Typhoon Pilot and Captain America nuts. Deal with it SC, we are doing our best to deal with it.

[CAYNINE]

How very naive, Ek will continue as long as they can get suitable DEC's. That there in lies the problem.......

So you poor souls from the good ol Yooo Esss of Ayyy will still have the chance to show the middle east how good you are.

Don't worry be happy......:)

[wee one]

saltaire,

I have no arguement with your poor mangaement practices. I also have no arguement that short haul domestic US recruits may not be suitable for DEC vis a vis the operation at EK .

I do have an issue with the fact that you generalise about Charter experience.

My wide body command time in a chater company is more than enough qualification for ek.Its the same flying without the support. I chose not to accept a DEC offer because It didnt sit right with my own personnal principles, not to avoid annoying some chippy f/o without the nouse to read an expat contract properly..What worries me is the arrogance of random chaps whose only experience of wide body is the micromanaged enviroment at ek , where they seem to think 3 years of nodding and smiling is substitute for a broader experience.

They are as in equal in number at ek as the genuinely aggreived experienced chaps getting shafted.Therefore negate the eficacy of the arguement of the genuine cases.

PS 4hp is that chilled enough? Beauts :ok: Thank you. 4HP

[ekpilot]

if you are Emirati then pls accept my apology..

Why apologise? If he is Emirati then the reason he's driving a Lamborghini / Ferrari / Range Rover etc. is that the expat population, which is 90% and rising in Dubai, has been asked to come on in, enjoy the sunshine and make the local Emiratis as much money as possible. And hey, it worked! Apologise? No way!

[777birdcage]

"It is coming to an end so we don't have to put up with pilots like you Capt American. We don't need the likes of you and your coharts at our airline."

Ummm, if by "cohart" you mean American, well maybe you will get you wish as Delta, FedEx, UPS, Continental, Southwest and others start to hire..

The Americans will leave to go back into the First World, make more money and live where you wish you could, and then be replaced by more "Experts" from South America and Malaysia.. Have fun mate!!:ok:

[ironbutt57]

Yes I do agree...the US industry is rebounding and recalls/new hires are starting again at the legacy carriers think Delta has recalled most or all..United and American in progress, USAirways as well....sure most will go home, some undoubtedly will bypass and stay until it gets to the point of biting into their seniority then the choice has to be made...and it's "cohOrt" btw cerbus...and I'm sure they agree with you...

[MumbaiRadio]

777,
your open racism really qualifies you.. I bet you don't even know where some of the countries you have mentioned are on the map (like.. 'is there something outside the US?').. but for sure you know how to locate the nearest Mc Donalds..
Probably your transfats filled brain missed the whole point of discussion in this thread..

[ironbutt57]

smell a bit of that in u as well "mumbai radio" lets not lose track of the thread...I am a 15 year expat yank..and sometimes cringe at the attitudes of my countrymen as well...what to do?? Dont paint us all with the same brush...you might be treated the same way some day..anyway...if the topic is accurate the f.o.'s there might now have a light at the end of the tunnel..lost opportunity for the likes of myself..but better for the folks there...have a nice day:)

[giovane]

Okay Wee One,


I think Saltaire gets the point :cool:

[DesertHawk]

Always makes me laugh..... how many times have we heard about Capt America and how they all can go home and such. Not that i agree whole heartedly with what birdcage said cause trust me mate not all of us wish we were americans.. but everytime a yank stands up for himself we cry racism when cerbus what you said is just ask moronic as anyone.. my two cents
:)

[lovdates]

wise words....100pc right
By the way europeans and canadians will do the same(or should!!!!)
ironb.:Apologize...no way mate:rolleyes:

lvdates

[CAYNINE]

Having been in your company socially Iron Butt, you are more the rare example of a dude that is intergrated into the social and sociatal arena which is emirates. You my friend have evolved to the current, some of the newbys still take that attitude of USA is the leading light in the world. Pain in the arse Captains personafied.

[cerbus]

Wee one what we are saying is that while we got hired at good first rate airlines and decided to leave you got hired at "2nd level" airlines got your commnads quickier than us now come to Dubai and jump us on the list. Is that fair? Hardly, but a fact of life we must deal with but count on one thing we will not enjoy it one bit and you will hear about it from us so you must deal with it as well.

[777birdcage]

There seems to be a lot of people at EK that resent Americans because "You guys only came to Emirates after all the jobs in the US dried up"...

My answer to that is "YOU ARE CORRECT!"...

I don't remember growing up telling my friends that I want to go to college, flight instruct, fly crap cargo for nothing so eventually I could move to the Middle East and work... Just the way it worked.. We are all here for a reason.. For most (all)Americans it's got something to do with the situation that happened a few years back when a couple of our buildings got knocked over... When the situation fixes it's self, we will probably work our way back home.. In the mean time, meeting some great people, and seeing some great places...

If you come from a place that makes Dubai attractive, don't blame us..

Mumbai, I need to get back to my Mc chicken nuggets.. They are good with this new Mc Curry dipping sauce! (you ass)

:cool:

[airbus757]

cerbus,

I'm not sure if you are just trying to stir the pot but here goes. I have to say that your last statement is a load of ****e. To say that a guy who quits a "first rate airline" somehow qualifies him to more than the guy who gained more experience at the "2nd level" airline is ludacris. I don't know who you are but I am sure I have flown with people who share your thoughts. They are the ones who sit in the right seat, mope and complain that they are not in the left seat, when in fact they can not even do their own jobs competently.

Also there seems to be a sentiment on this forum that the only good pilots in this world come from the so called first world, this to is a load of ****e. I personally experience the opposite as being true. To be more accurate it is more about the individual and his attitude.

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[ratpoison]

Mumbai, I need to get back to my Mc chicken nuggets.. They are good with this new Mc Curry dipping sauce! (you ass)

Just poetry my good man.
In the mean time, meeting some great people,
You can say that again. Even though it is one of the sh**hole's of the world to live, there's a lot of great "units" here that make it somewhat tolerable.

[Kamelf Hucker]

Well said, BC777.

The old line about "you only came here because you lost your job" would be funny if it weren't so ironic.

The sad thing is, some people here actually think that way.

[ironbutt57]

Why did all the Aussies come to the gulf...'89 perhaps?? why did Ansett MKII folks come to the gulf??? lost jobs??? same could be said for most expat nationalities i reckon...but hey...as it turns out I like it here!! people from all sorts of places do as well..the others come and go..keep your anti-american sentiments inside where they belong..if you want to complain about pompous jackasses from the USA..believe you me, I've run into them from all over the globe...Canada being the rare exception..we are all in the same boat...or desert whowever you choose to phrase it..

[Ghostflyer]

777BC,

Americans it's got something to do with the situation that happened a few years back when a couple of our buildings got knocked over...

I have no problem with any nationality being here but the buildings toppling over had less to do with US Airline problems than:

1. 'Strangling the golden goose until it has laid its last egg' - can't remember which negotiator said that.

2. Crap service and the airlines slitting each others throats all the time.

Bottom line is that with the retirements over the last few years, the US industry should be flourishing but it isn't because of factors other than just 911.

Ghost

[Ghostflyer]

Also there seems to be a sentiment on this forum that the only good pilots in this world come from the so called first world, this to is a load of ****e. I personally experience the opposite as being true. To be more accurate it is more about the individual and his attitude.


And that's the right attitude?!?:ouch:

[ironbutt57]

The buildings getting knocked over was a convenient way to mask years of corporate mismanagement and theft...the straw that broke the camel's back, and a way to get US gubmint money out of pity...

[TangoUniform]

9/11 actually started the process. Service and management were crap prior to that, but money was being made. After that day, the legacies lost a ton of money and it gave the LCCs a chance, finally, to really do some real damage and to get a solid foothold. Meanwhile, the legacies lost billions in their pension funds that had to be replaced with any operating profits (federal law). LCCs continued their strength (no defined pensions to be funded), pensions funds underfunded by the legacies, and fuel prices skyrocketing. (1 cent increase in a gallon of gas costs approx $20 million to the bottom line of an airline with 400 aircraft). Bankruptcy allowed them to dump pensions, not pay bills, and match fares with the LCCs. 9/11 unmasked the vunerabilites that could be hidden with money rolling in.

Same thing is happening to some degree in Europe. Look at the old traditional carriers, except for Air France and Lufthansa, it appears that the rest are getting b*tch slapped by Ryan and Easy. Defined pensions are killing all "old" companies worldwide, no matter what the industry.

How is Qantas doing in this same arena with the likes of VB and some of the others coming in? Air India against JetAirways?

[gimmesumvalium]

ironbutt,
you are wasting your effort on this thread. Clowns come from all over the world and you aint gonna convince 'em.

[vbrules]

Ironbutt you make some good points but have excluded Canadians from the list of 'clowns you have met'. There are good and less good amongst all of us however I have found Canadians to be just as loud, just as opinionated and just as annoying as Americans with just as much to offer; which happens to be very, very, very and not much. Like I said; there are exceptions.

[Muttley Crew]

I think all the americans, north and south and the europeans are "opinionated and annoying" arseholes. As well as the asians. And especially the kiwis.

Pretty much everybody except the Australians.

[vbrules]

Yeah I met a good Aussie once. Now when was that?...1994? No I think it was 1989 (then again he was probably an immigrant).

[Mysalami]

From a very recent EK road show in Australia, it was confirmed that EK are on the lookout for another 25 B777 Decs this year. After that, no more until Feb 08.

[robert3791]

Dear friends , after ready the polemics between cerbus and captAA and others , I would like to point that we are all pilots trying to make a living ,which is not easy nowadays.
I have ,as a european pilot a lot of friends amongst a vast array of nationalities and we all have our "sensibilities", and I must say the political situation in this world doesn't help.

But if we respect each other , anything should go; I worked for 35 years for an Arab company ( not UAE) and for the last 15 years only two expats left ; and I honestly have to say that i came close to paradise , friendship , respect and of course a lot of pleasure.

So all of you guys must be good people , let's help each other as pilots and forget the rest.

best regards to all of you

[Youks]

Well said Robert!!!!!!!!!:D

[Bart Simson]

I will second what "Mysalami" said 25 to go. Apparently there are F/O's with experience to upgrade for a while.