Level Bust DVD inside CHIRP

[DtyCln]

Please, please, please somebody tell me that the pilots in the DVD were wearing the oversize Rayban Aviators for a laugh!!!

Otherwise not bad!

[flower]

I think the first "level Best" video had more impact than this one, this seemed a little bit more of a PR exercise. The two combined together would be a good idea.

[bmb7jiw]

MY copy of CHIRP and the Runway Incursions flyer both had a nasty brown lumpy stain on them. Like someone had dropped half their tea down it before posting it to me....... very weird!!!
DVD was alright though.

[ComJam]

Yeah I agree, nice production but lacking the substance of the original one. Thought the three examples of Level Bust incidents on the first DVD had much more impact.

And yeah, I did have a laugh at the 70's Porn Star Ray Bans! :D

[Mister Geezer]

Well since you said 70s Porn Star the fact that they were Lufthansa crew probably sums it up nicely!

[AlanM]

I'm glad I took my oversized shades off before the filming started!

Oh no - just remembered a certain scouser who had "pornstar" on the back of his Liverpool shirt.

[Don't Tell Him Pike]

Oh no - just remembered a certain scouser who had "pornstar" on the back of his Liverpool shirt.

Despite years of therapy, so do I! Whatever happened to him?

[Bucking Bronco]

Guys

Aviators were "In" again this year - I kid you not!

Cheers

BB

:cool:

PS Yes I have 2 pairs of Aviators but also 2 Oakleys, 3 Bolle and 1 Elvis stylee.

:ok:

Just popped the DVD in, kleenex at the ready...

[Mister Geezer]

Just watched this again recently and I spotted a couple of R/T blunders - deliberate?

On the first scenario near Bovingdon on LL INTN when the STCA looked like it triggered off one pilot asked if the controller wanted him to climb back to FL110 which was the level that he busted. The response was 'just stay on the heading for the time being' - didn't really answer the guys question!

With the incident near Detling the aircrafts callsign was 'Victor Juliet Victor' but the controller kept on using 'Victor Yankee Victor'.

The final gotcha was when the RA happened near DET on the BIG sector and the controller gave a descent instruction to the KK inbound before the 'clear of conflict' has been passed to the controller. I thought the controller was only allowed to pass traffic information whilst an aircraft was responding to a RA?

I think I obviously need to get out more! :\

[Gary Lager]

I believe the RT used was as transcribed from the original incidents.

Controllers ARE supposed to wait until clear of conflict before issuing level change instructions - however you study the RT from MANY incidents in the UK FIR and see if that's always the case! When things start to go wrong, and an ATCO gets a TCAS RA on frequency (and/or level bust) the workload can get high very quickly - the temptation to try and 'rescue' the situation persists for what seems like quite a while...until the training/experience kicks in and the ATCO can force themselves to sit and watch what transpires.

Hence the AIC (Pink 194) and recurrent training in the sim for all aircrew to remind us to follow TCAS, even in the event of conflicting instructions from ATC.

So the 'mistakes' were deliberate on the CD, but not in real life - a useful illustration for aircrew of the 'human element' behind ATC.

[Barnaby the Bear]

Can i put the watching of the DVD down as TRUCE?:E

[AlanM]

What's TRUCE? :cool: :* :ooh:

[Barnaby the Bear]

TRaining in Unusual Circumstances. No idea what the E stands for.
Part of the 4 hours minimum required per annum to keep valid. :8

[simon niceguy]

E = Emergencies


Simon.

[wizad]

the nasty postman stole my apparantly 'so valuble to him' DVD, whilst keeping a stiff upper lip and posting my shredded copy of chirp through the letter box.

although i must in turn thank flybhoy for allowing me to view his beloved copy.

and someone correct me if im wrong... i was a little worse for wear that morning, but tha ATCO doing South East (120.52) isnt actually valid on that sector.

ho-hum

[chevvron]

Sorry you can't say 120.52 (PC) wef 1 May 06

[AlanM]

err thanks for the explanation - but it was a rhetorical question as most of us at TC won't be doing TRUCE in lieu of TRM.

Happy days

(interesting as the last two incidents I have seen have had a recommendation of learning points to be played out in TRUCE)

[Northerner]

Wizad,
you're absolutely right - and just for good measure the 'Heathrow' controller doesn't do Heathrow either!

Cheers,
N

"Keep smiling, it makes people wonder what you're up to..."

[wizad]

northener,

if this is the case... give me a crack at something like NW deps when its looking rather fruity and i'll show you some incidents worthy enough to put on a DVD

W

[PMS]

sounds all like double duch to me, must be Euro talk