View Full Version : b747 incident at Nairobi (merged)
suppie
1st Oct 2005, 07:34
NBO is closed...heard rumours that CLx cargo flt with a/c TF-ARJ
returned to airport for emergency landing and is now on his belly
on the runway......anybody an idea what happened
Understand they had problems with the gear on takeoff, returned and did a gear up landing. No injuries. Aircraft still on runway and runway still closed. All traffic diverted to MBA / EBB / JRO.
Nothing on NOTAM.
Was this one one with the broken beams that used to flex when gear was retracted and the UK CAA grounded ?
suppie
1st Oct 2005, 09:40
Just got a msg from NBO that the a/c is off the rwy so it seems
not to bad at all:ok:
acmi48
1st Oct 2005, 11:24
a/c @ kat-cgo -humans and metal all ok ,press release will follow..another day at the office for the aircrew who bought the ship home safely.. well done
Rolling-Thunderbird
1st Oct 2005, 12:40
Found this brief news article on it.
http://www.kbc.co.ke/story.asp?ID=32553
The a/c concerned, TF-ARJ, is an Air Atlanta (Iceland) B747 which operates for Cargolux.
747guy
1st Oct 2005, 18:26
the story is up on the cargolux websitehttp://www.cargolux.lu/press/press-release.php?id_cat=2&dbtab=docs&id_doc=84
Odd, ain't it.
JAL has 747 freighters.
ANA has 747 freighters as well.
Lots of 'em.
Several other airlines as well.
Quite a few more than Air Atlanta.
Yet, we seem to hear of Air Atlanta freighters having 'problems' while other carriers, with quite a few more airplanes, have few/none.
Why are we not surprised?:ugh:
Could Air Atlanta's maintenance not be up to snuff?
As in, shades of the old days, perhaps.
Most remember...grounded in the UK for a week or so, a few years ago.
Then the overrun in SHJ.:yuk:
Wonder if anyone is looking just below the surface to find the problems?
Or, trying to sweep 'em under the rug?
If the latter, no surprise there.:sad:
Captain Airclues
1st Oct 2005, 19:42
Does anyone know when this aircraft had its last 'D' Check?
Airclues
AAIGUY
1st Oct 2005, 20:23
Well done guys. I have only flown with P.C., but am glad to hear it all worked out. :ok:
Farrell
1st Oct 2005, 21:57
from the cargolux website....
"Due to the hydraulic failure the left hand main landing gear did not fully extend, causing minor damage to the left hand landing gear door and wheel assembly no 3 during the landing, as visual inspection later confirmed"
so did it do a wheels up landing or not?
Sir Richard
1st Oct 2005, 22:00
Sounds like most of the wheels were down !
Joe le Taxi
2nd Oct 2005, 08:52
So long as you're careful, the jumbo will land quite happily on just the inner or outer main gear.
matkat
2nd Oct 2005, 10:09
411A could You please explain to Me how maintenance could prevent a hydraulic failure?
gas path
2nd Oct 2005, 10:51
Not the first time a gear has failed to lock when alternate is used, usually a good greasing will solve it, but not much good when it's circling the airfield :hmm: Even with all the weight of the truck they can hang up with the stiction. It relies on a couple of small springs (bungees!) to push the side brace that last inch or so to lock the leg.
Judicious use of aerobatics could have helped:E
Threads now drifting into the realms of Tech Log
MADCAP
2nd Oct 2005, 10:58
Matkat
in the case of certain posters
a large dose of spoon is required !!
canadair
2nd Oct 2005, 11:03
411A
as usual your eternal hatred for all things AAI has colored your post. You once again only see what you want to see, ignoring fact and relevant information.
But, saying that, you appear to be a cast off from the current world of aviation, it has moved on, you have not.
Perhaps all you are looking for is a response, like a child seeking negative attention.
What a sad person you must be.
Flight Detent
2nd Oct 2005, 13:13
Hang on, Canadair,
I flew for AAI for several years on their B747 fleet, pax and freight, 100s, 200s and 300s, and got them out of several tight situations in my time!
All I managed to get in return was a severe kick in the teeth each time, or totally ignored, after the crisis was over and I was no longer needed.
I left them in eary 2003 from their KL base, and never looked back!
I know quite a bit about the operations of AAI, and also know that the aircrews are the only thing holding the company together!
I don't like them at all either, not one bit, and let anybody thats interested know that, and exactly how that fact came to be!
Cheers, FD :cool:
Managed to come across some pics here, shows the LWG was partially extended.
SMOC
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/2357340/
Eurocaptain
2nd Oct 2005, 18:38
To my best knowledge Cargolux themself maintain this aircraft, ARJ, and they are known for good work.
Phil Squares
2nd Oct 2005, 19:23
canadair
I have to agree with Flight Detent. I too was with AAI for a few years and left about the same time. Again, the only thing keeping AAI going is the crews. There will be another incident, that's a fact, and the sad part is at some point in time, the contracts AAI has will be in trouble and then it's the people who kept the whole operation going that will bear the brunt of the fallout.
I left and I have never looked back either, going there served it's purpose at the time, but I am so glad to be gone.
Eurocaptain, CV may do line MX on the aircraft, but they don't maintain it at all. That's up to AAI and the MX is done at GAMCO (PEK) or FLS in Dublin
Atlanta-Driver
3rd Oct 2005, 06:01
Looks like anything to do with AAI bring the usual S.hit disturbers out of the woodworks.
Repeating same old slogans, BOOOORING. Change the record gents. You have not been here for a while and things are not the same they where 2 to 3 years ago or what they indeed where 7 or 8 years ago.
Phil Squares
3rd Oct 2005, 06:58
Atlanta-Driver
Hit a tender nerve there? It would appear so! Enjoy yourself there!!!! I enjoyed the pilots I worked with, they are the backbone of AAI. But, as I said earlier, I've never looked back!
There is life after AAI!!!!
matkat
3rd Oct 2005, 18:48
Hang on, Canadair,
I flew for AAI for several years on their B747 fleet, pax and freight, 100s, 200s and 300s, and got them out of several tight situations in my time!
All I managed to get in return was a severe kick in the teeth each time, or totally ignored, after the crisis was over and I was no longer needed.
I left them in eary 2003 from their KL base, and never looked back!
I know quite a bit about the operations of AAI, and also know that the aircrews are the only thing holding the company together!
I don't like them at all either, not one bit, and let anybody thats interested know that, and exactly how that fact came to be!
FD I also worked for Them and did not like Them either but that is hardly the point,My point about 411As post was that He ALWAYS blames the maintenance as I was involved in the maint.for over 4 years I know all about it,i think 411A has forgotten about the Nigeria "incident" and not to forget a certain Capt who could not get any of His A/Ps to engage(all 3) so dumped fuel (Jed-Indonesia)only to discover the manual command knob was at one side and the Crew who had an engine flame-out and forget to turn the fuel off which overtemped the engine(approaching MAD) a certain other Canadian Pilot who tried to line up on the landing runway at Las Vegas(I was in the cockpit of that one)I could go on and on but You know, know one is perfect We have to get away from the blame everything on maintenace culture after all how many times have You seen maint.come on here and blame the flight Crew?and lastly the tail scrape(EMA?)I guess that was caused by maint. also!!!!
unwiseowl
3rd Oct 2005, 18:58
411A could You please explain to Me how maintenance could prevent a hydraulic failure?
This is a joke, right? Sorry, it went right over my head.
CLX does A-checks on those a/c.