Instructor Pay Rates

[Skinny Runt]

What is it worth to a company or to an individual to be an ATC Instructor ?

Would you draw comparisons to instructional jobs in the airlines ?

Do you feel overpaid or underpaid for any instruction that you do?

How much extra do you get or feel you should get for training ?

[Skinny Runt]

I ask the questions because as I see it the rewards are minimal and the risks high.

If you work for NATS (for example) - you get an extra paypoint (unless you are top of the scale) and a 'bonus' (non-pensionable)of about £400 per quarter (before tax).

I reckon this equates to about £3000 per annum before tax if you are not top of the scale, and £1600 per annum before tax if you are.

So, for an ATCO of 10 yrs experience, you get about £1000 a year (£80 a month) after tax.

Is this REALLY the going rate for all that experience and for putting your licence at risk in live traffic ?

Anyone know what the extra rates are in the airline industry for Line Trainers ?

[aluminium persuader]

No - outside NATS and extra £500/yr or thereabaouts is all you can expect as an OJTI.

:(

[almost professional]

extra pay for OJTI-what a novel concept!

[cossack]

In Canada its a premium of $8.50/hour. Hourly rates are between $39 and $53 so its about 15-20% more. New contract pending, so it might change.

[millerman]

At Maastricht it is around 180 Euros ( 120GBP) per month before tax - definitely not worth it! That's why I have recently stopped training and don't get the payment - (working) life is a hell of a lot simpler now:D

[Frunobulax]

Poland is quite unusual as for OJT: one needs to have 6 years experience as an ATCO to become an OJTI, base salary is larger by about 20% and also I get extra 0.5% for every hour supervised.

That sounds like some deal to me ;)

[Gonzo]

Six years experience? If only..............

[DirtyPierre]

OJTI - 10% of salary extra while performing the function.

ATC Instructor (an extra endorsement to work in our ATC College or training sections in the 2 large centres) - not paid anything extra unless performing OJTI duties either online or in the simulator.

Not really worth the hassle, but it's better than nothing.

[ferris]

Which is exactly what we get- nothing. All part of the experience. And you can expect a constant stream of trainees, too.

[blue21]

hi folks...coaching a newbie I get the equivalent of two hotdogs an hour...hey... I make my day with this!!!
No, I´m joking...I would teach this girls and boys also without extra pay...cause who should do it instead?
remember...
who can,do.
who can´t,teach.
who can´t teach,manage.
unfortunately we have only enough staff belonging to the 3rd part of the foreknown.
have fun blue21

[atcea.com]

Blue21,with respect, I submit that you don't know what the *** * you are talking about.

"who can,do.
who can´t,teach.
who can´t teach,manage."

I spent 25 years working traffic to learn how to become a good teacher of ATC. I worked in busy facilities. I took my lumps. Then, I had to learn how to impart the knowledge I'd gleaned to eager - and not so eager - young minds.

The little ditty above does disservice to some really outstanding instructors and - yes - managers, who have used their experience to help make ours a better profession.
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[DirtyPierre]

atces.com

Agreed. Some of us instruct because we've been asked to do the job.

I'm an ATC instructor and OJTI because I was asked to do the job. I think I do a reasonable job at it as my success rate with trainees getting ATC endorsements is 100%. ( No, I'm not also checking them!)

I also like to think I do a pretty good job just being a controller. My check reports indicate this as well. Although Tobzalp will tell you that he'd rather work with a lucky controller than a good controller.