LHR/AMS/FRA-JNB Route Info

[Phil Squares]

Would appreciate if someone knew of a site or reference for flights from Europe to JNB. Specifically, enroute alternates, and other info.

I do have the LH pilots print out, but looking for anything more detailed.

Thanks in advance

[Salzinger_FOO]

Hi Phil,

No site link, but on a previous outfit I worked for the following places were aproved for IALTN routing from mid europe down to J'bourg:

Alger, Tunis, Tamanrasset (DAAT), Niamey, Kano (albeit for emergency only), N'Djanema, Khartoum, Brazzaville, Lusaka, Harare and Bujumbura.

Cheers

Salz

[DBate]

You can try the charts on the following sites. They have some information on routings, enrout alternates, etc.

www.planningchart.de

or

www.stegers.ch
(Check the Communication Sheets).

So long,
DBate

[Phil Squares]

Salzinger_FOO and DBate,

Thanks......

[enicalyth]

Phil

Which airline does LHR, AMS and FRA?

As your request is for unidirectional routes Podea-Auntie Podea you should start with:

http://cram.ecacnav.com and of course it is free. How to get out of Europe without stuffing up.

Europe, and not least Iberia/France love their unis and for high quality ERCs try the RAF... they sell to individuals and even on a one-off basis at far less than Jepps. I find paper much easier when checking CDRs and UNIs for directionality and use a simple home-made spreadsheet to predict lat/long on idealised GC routes to narrow things down. You'll find the RAF on the following address, very cheap, very good

http://www.aidu.co.uk

If you simply must have electronic ERCs and have 'em free try

https://164.214.2.62/products/digitalaero/index.cfm

(yup that's right, https not http)

Assuming that you are a Podean try

http://www.nats.co.uk

http://www.caa.co.uk

one of the above (I forget which, probably NATS) allows you to download airway details.

Once you are in francophone North Africa you need

http://www.asecna.aero for all your lovely diversions. Do not expect anything to work and you will either be pleasantly surprised but never disappointed.

Back to basics, remember that the route EGLL-FAJS is not the route FAJS-EGLL, there are jiggles and joggles and you won't have that much of a choice anyway.

If it is an intvu Africa can be rat**** until merry old HBV hoves in sight. FACT very much better, eh Jannie?

Weather of course from http://www.weathersa.co.za

Oom Hennies die beste....

Rgds

enicalyth

[enicalyth]

Highlight the following paragraph and paste into http://gc.kls2.com paths window if'n you go to FACT. Gives a ruff idea.

EGLL-N51.053337 W0.623345-N50.701668 W0.250025-N50.452225 E0.012231-N49.856667 E0.619998-N48.975269 E1.486115-N48.6539 E1.995006-N48.155567 E2.265565-N47.153061 E2.930002-N45.789448 E3.178611-N44.763599 E3.554442-N43.580276 E3.971107-N40.946667 E5.689995-N39.000008 E6.088336-N36.29166 E6.608341-N33.511112 E6.779165-N28.136116 E6.835277-N26.000004 E7.083328-N23.533337 E7.366676-N20.966656 E7.7-N16.972782 E8.013604-N12.036939 E8.497217-N5.699995 E9.299992-N4.499996 E9.566668-N3.994989 E9.745002-S4.823921 E11.888323-S5.616696 E12.199996-S6.133354 E12.366657-S8.843908 E13.250284-S22.476976 E17.471395-S26.537239 E18.114437-S31.380022 E19.071665-S33.413349 E19.187773-FACT

I do not accept responsibility for unidirectionality or currency of waypoints in the following and I know you want to go to JNB but hey this will help you trace your way to a better destination. CSO by the way is Constantine, the walled city. Worth a look.

EGLL-MID-BOGNA-BENBO-VEULE-BAMES-RBT-PTV-NEV-CMF-
MAGER-FJR-BALEN-KAMER-CSO-ELO-BOD-ATAFA-MELOG-ERKEL
AS-KA-MF-TJJ-DLA-IT-VCA-SZ-VNA-WHV-KTV-NVV-WY-FACT

[OverRun]

enicalyth,

Sincere thanks for your comprehensive answers - I've spent several most enjoyable hours going back and forth and (dare I say) navigating through your suggestions. I have an interest in some of these Dark Continent places through the dubious privilege of having to do some of the planning for them. The nice bit of aviation in that part of the world, as you and Salzinger_FOO and Dbate have illustrated, is the “flying over the top”. The less nice bit is being down on the ground wondering how 30 year broken concrete can be made smooth again before mosquitos bite the roller driver to bits or the site engineer gets arrested for inadequate supplementary under counter payments. Thank goodness someone invented young engineers to do the work so old ones can sit back in comfort, surf the ‘net, and complain about Dark Continent airports . . . . .

[enicalyth]

Phil & OverRun

Still working on JNB. memory you see! Whereas it is fairly easy EGLL-FACT (and close to a GC route) it is surprisingly not quite so simple to Jo'burg. (Even more so when Angola was troublesome with some routes still struck out in 2000 but available in 2003). When I get some time soon and Mrs E lets me I'm going to look at this again if only to relive the joys of the France-Algeria section. I still hold to my view that without cram@ecacnav any start to the exercise is fraught.

As our colleague OverRun has noted, there are aspects to the continent but hailing from an equatorial island not a million miles away and serving time with an amazing airline I can say what I think I'spose. Which is Gawd Bless Aussie.