How close is close?

[THE EEL]

someone told me the other day that the skys over the south coast of England wore the most crowded in the world for holding and that its only a matter of time until a major mid-air collision will happen?
is this true........

[cleared2land 27left]

in a word NO

[THE EEL]

thats an easy word....NO....please explain some details toprove this..

[jjj]

What a stupid question to ask in an Air Traffic Control Forum. You don't honestly expect to get a serious answer do you? Must be a wind up.

[THE EEL]

if it something i said ?
well the point is that YES i do want an answer.

[need to know]

What you want and what you get are two diff. things.

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And that's what I think about that.

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[Special VFR]

'Someone told me the other day. .' and what, pray, are the qualifications of this font of aviation knowledge?

[THE EEL]

What a bunch of snobs......Yes i would like an answer,and i never said i knew much about the aviation side of things.

[PPRuNe Radar]

Steady gents,

Remember PPRuNe is open to people of all levels of experience. Although it does seem that Eel has a knack of alienating him/herself from groups of aviation people (see thread in Cabin Crew section).

Eel,

Yes, the airspace is very busy. However the professionalism of the men and women that work within it, on the ground and in the air, coupled with various safety nets such as TCAS and Conflict Alert mean that it is unlikely that there will ever be a mid air. Not impossible, but very very unlikely.

And Eel, don't believe everything you are told, those who are in the business tend to know the whole story a little better than the man in street.



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[TinPusher]

How close is close?

My old Mum always told me that a miss was as good as a mile :)

[THE EEL]

Thank you sirs for your polite reply, thats all i needed to know and if im in the wrong forum to get the information you only had to say it in the first place.
Regards THE EEL........

[Super G]

Tin Pusher, that's what I keep trying to tell all the chaps around here. Three miles my coke and sarse, a near miss is still a MISS!

[Goldfish Jack]

"Someone told me....."

Sounds like an EXPERT to me!!!!

An ex is "a has been" and a spurt is "a drip under pressure"

That should sum it up!!!

[karrank]

Someone told me migraines can be cured by placing cabbage leaves in my bra, does it work for men too?

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***BIGHT ME***

[fweeeeep]

My dad said I should not let my little head do the thinking.


What does that mean ?

[Baby Blue]

Close:

a. When the hairs on the back of your neck stick up.

b. When two merged blips reappear as two.

c. When the pilot tells you he has responded to a TCAS RA.

d. When the supervisor/chief stands you down before the end of shift.

e. When the pilot says "F****** hell, that was close!"

f. When the media think they're on to a story.



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[UK DAN]

http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/eek.gif when the unit you've just transferred the traffic to descends it head on to your other traffic at a range of 2 miles. Hairs on end , massive rise in pitch of voice, major rise in blood pressure etc etc

[karrank]

"Erm, how close were they?"

"Well Centre, I didn't see the whites of his eyes, coz the pilot was wearing sunglasses...."

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"Station calling Centre, grow a head..."

[fweeeeep]

1) Approach, How close are we to that traffic ahead ????? !!!!

Three miles sir, 1.5 from you to him and 1.5 from him to you !!

2) Flyer123 Reduce to 180, traffic ahead at 4... correction 5nm.

[identnospeed]

"Northwest44 we're a bit close to that 1011 in front"

"You want more room captain ? you push your seat back !"

OR

"London, there's another aircraft at my level in the stack"

"ABC123, firstly its my level and not yours .... secondly its very busy today, so we are having to share !"

"Roger, ABC123" !!!!!!

INS

[fweeeeep]

PILOT :
Centre !!!!!!! A military aircraft just went right through our level right in fron of us.

ATC :
Uuh Roger sir, could tell me the aircraft type ?

PILOT :
No we can not, but it said NAVY 302 on the side, and the pilot had blue eyes.

[Lon More]

I agree with Baby Blue
Plus "Confirm IMC? Traffic is well clear on radar and will miss you in the turn"

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Lon More,just an ATCO

[ORAC]

True quotes (and I mean not hearsay)

1. Lightning having been told not to climb above FL310 because of SAS at FL330. London calls to report the SAS has had a "shiny aeroplane" climb vertically less than a mile in front, pitch over and go vertically down .5 miles in front. Quote from Lightning pilot when asked to confirm he had not climbed above FL310:

"Sorry, I was'nt there for long. I just needed to lose some energy".

(Mid 80s. The SAS pilot did not file, he "just wanted to know what type it was".)

2. Lightning pilot (again mid 80s) told to maintain 2000ft clearance on airliner on which he is visual. London reports the airline has just had a Lightning do a barrel roll around him.

Quote from protesting Lightning pilot:
"But I maintained 2000ft all the way round".

Thank god for 2 seaters and Mode C.