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5milesbaby
6th Mar 2004, 00:08
According to the flyer sent with the ballot forms the final day is today. Does anyone know if thats a midday closure as usual, and how long before the results are in?
Cheers :ok:
vintage ATCO
6th Mar 2004, 00:47
I thought the closing date was March 10? :confused: :confused:
LostThePicture
6th Mar 2004, 00:50
I'm sure my ballot form said closure would be noon on Monday 8th March! :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
I thought it was the 8th.
5milesbaby
6th Mar 2004, 01:54
I originally thought it was the 8th, but reading the bumf they send it says the 5th, did this change with the slight delay following the restructuring complaints???
If it is noon on Monday how long does it take to count? Will we know by Monday close of play or will it be Tuesday?
Cheers once again :D
Roger Dodge
6th Mar 2004, 02:10
Latest 'rumour' is that it is too close to call and may be scrapped:eek:
caniplaywithmadness
6th Mar 2004, 04:25
Scrapped because it's too close to call?
Or scrapped because it looks like a small majority have perhaps voted against it?
tired-flyboy
6th Mar 2004, 05:24
Does any body have any word on how this will affect cadets - all these romours about reducing to £14.5K etc
( i know this may not be the correct thread but Kirsty et al seem to have given up on the other one!)
Thanks incase! :confused:
Point Seven
6th Mar 2004, 08:00
Vote against it? What's wrong with you all? Are you really going to vote against it just because someone is getting more than you?
I never realised that ATCOs are such a bunch of small minded bigots. Yes, band 5 might get the most but EVERYONE gets more than inflation. A lot more.
And be pragmatic - if someone gets more then eventually the rest of us can call for some parity. That way the big raise can, over a period of time, bring everybody's wage up.
Once again, this is a show of exactly how stupid ATCOs are. And all those Manc and Scot ATCOs going on about how hard done to they are - clear off. You're annoying the rest of us. If we lose the deal it will be YOUR fault and then NO ATCO will get any money.
Hope you're happy.
P7
P7
why should it be Manchs and Scottishes fault if YOU dont get your money.I thought we lived in a democracy where the majority won a ballot, either way the vote goes
Here we go again...
Point Seven:
Are you really going to vote against it just because someone is getting more than you?
No. We have voted against it because we do not agree with the process that has brought about the proposed figures.
I never realised that ATCOs are such a bunch of small minded bigots
I prefer to see it as some ATCOs having principals.
if someone gets more then eventually the rest of us can call for some parity
Yes, and when we have it those who got more will be demanding restoration of the differential, plus a bit more.
And all those Manc and Scot ATCOs going on about how hard done to they are - clear off. You're annoying the rest of us.
Now that is VERY constructive, isn't it. What was it you said about 'small minded bigots'? Anyway, I know that not all my colleagues 'down south' are quite so small minded as yourself and can at least understand our objections, even if they themselves are in favour of the deal.
Nogbad the Bad
6th Mar 2004, 19:34
If this vote is lost (and I hope to God it won't be) where does it leave us ?
I'll tell you, shall I ??
With a management imposed pay deal and working pratcises that will be FAR worse anything anyone could have imagined.
caniplaywithmadness
6th Mar 2004, 20:35
Nogbad,
What we are voting on is a management imposed pay deal.
If it doesn't go through, then we'll end up back at the negotiating table and maybe this time we can get it right for ALL ATCOs
250 kts
7th Mar 2004, 01:31
cani*****
Why would NATS feel they have to re-negotiate?-I suspect if what's on the table isn't enough then they will impose working practice changes within the present agreement,as they could do. That will mean more c**p rosters for us all and nothing extra in our pockets for it.
Let's all just hope this gets voted in and at least secure the excellent financial reward for us all which has been negotiated.
If it doesn't and you still have a fairly easy time EG/night staffing wise then I would be pretty concerned.
niknak
7th Mar 2004, 02:05
We wait with baited breath!
A certain bod in NATS "Department of getting new contracts" gave a very heavy hint that if the pay negotiations et al were favourable to NATS, the bid they were about to make for the contract to run ATC at a certain UK regional airport, would be very favourable and competitive compared with Serco.
:E
250kts
Once again, the airfields have been working crap rosters and nothing in their pockets for years.Now that it has started to effect you Area guys ,you decide to get your heads out of the sand
Thanks for support in the past I dont think so
250 kts
7th Mar 2004, 05:30
opnot,
It wasn't my Area unit I was particularly bothered about but I think the others could be ever so slightly vulnerable-particularly those north of Watford.
250kts
You mention egs and night shift manning. Airfield staff ,egs if you are lucky, night shifts, we work both of them as we are rostered and PAYED to do.Somebody from Swannick, on previous postings, was complaining that under the new agreement he would have to work both nights. Lifes abitch aint it, welcome to the real world of ATC
point seven just read the rationale in the 41 pages of the previous thread
pay (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1200251#post1200251)
and you you will see there is not a majority view about who gets more. There is a very strong feeling about how the structure has been constructed for future use.
Ali Bongo
8th Mar 2004, 20:20
Anyone any news yet on the result of the ballot? Have we found out when it is?
Are they applying "a model" to it where South coast Units have there votes multiplied by 3 and everyone else have their votes divided by 10 incorporating the complexity value at dx/dy of (Sth = 10x (busier) than Nth -5) ? :E :E
Beejam
8th Mar 2004, 20:56
Excellent...thats it...pay deal accepted.
Mr Chips
8th Mar 2004, 21:13
Excellent...thats it...pay deal accepted.
Is this real? or just a response to the post above it?
caniplaywithmadness
8th Mar 2004, 21:22
I hope it isn't real
however if it is I would love to see the numbers because it must have been close!!!
I would also like to know who did the count?
80% Turnout
73% In favour
27% Against
250 kts
8th Mar 2004, 22:42
opnot,
If you read my post you'll see that I referred specifically to the AREA units. But I guess it's all irrelevant now seeing the size of the majority in favour.
PS - It's PAID and SWANWICK. Just a correction of your spelling.
I was going to vote against the offer, but after reading the sometimes offensive remarks on this forum....decided that I was entirely justified in going for self interest and voting yes.
Beejam
9th Mar 2004, 03:26
Loki...I don't think you are in the minority.
From the look of it a lot of people "gave it large" and said they'd vote no but voted yes knowing it was the best deal they were going to get.
Who want's to be a martyr when it comes to the green stuff?
Last two response are the reason the union are weak. When we have people like this who vote how can you expect the vote to be a true reflection. I think alot of no's became yes's with the threat of the loss of 6.2million and the word of BEC members. I just hope they are true to their word.