Right-enough of that.The Ops guy can have his job back,for now.
I've got another rant about FlyBe (Cavok) Ltd.It's this :
Why have they got such a restrictive and unhelpful Staff Travel policy ?
Two examples;
1.They keep you waiting until the very last minute before accepting you for a flight.Now,admittedly,if the flight is busy,you obviously have to wait until the flight is closed and the despatcher has checked the weight/load etc before onloading standby's.
But,even when the flight is very quiet,you are still kept waiting until the announcements for "the two remaining inbred's travelling to Guernsey please attend gate 105 immediately,where the aircraft is waiting to depart".
Sby's are then finally given a boarding card and procede to the gate,where the gate staff look at you as if you have just ambled down to the gate and are holding up the flight.You then board the Jimbo Jet to find 50 empty seats.Why couldn't they check you in a tad earlier-are they expecting a late booking or 5 tons of freight to appear ?
2.At the opposite end of the scale,when the flight is busy,which is more often the case,FlyBe will NOT put staff in Business class.They leave you behind and go with empty seats !
These days,they are marketing themselves as a low cost carrier and have good loads.But Business is often half empty as nobody wants to pay for it.What other airline leaves staff behind rather than take them in business ?(I'm sure there are some,but in the UK ?)
Let's face it,a 30 minute hop across the channel is hardly a perk,which adds up to a slightly wider seat and a snack.If majors such as BA will put you in Club World on a long haul sector if all other cabins are full(and only if they are) then why can't FlyBe take staff in their empty "business" seats ?
Any takers ?

(Ouch)

Bit harsh? Still, better than

Mag,

So let me get this straight, YOUR AIRLINE STAFF ? If so then you should understand why airlines cancel due to weather/delays etc.

As for upgrading - I would love to upgrade airline staff to get them on the flight and have done so in the past but the company policy now is no upgrading. These days the Capt. doesn't even know who is being bumped off flights as the check in staff deal with it and the dispatcher doesn't usually mention it so as with allot of things now it's out of our hands.
Then again if it was up to me I would only upgrade the one's who don't come on PPrune and spout off about the Airline who have just granted them a CHEAP STAFF TICKET.:rolleyes:

Puddle j.
The point I was trying to make is,why do FlyBe ban staff (including their own) from Business when economy is full ?It's hardly a premium service full of celebs.(I know the decision is out of the flight crew's hands.)
Most other airlines will take staff if they can find them a seat,obviously starting with economy and working forward.It used to be the done thing.
Seems a bit mean.I bet Flybe "Powers That Be" would happily except a seat in Business/First on BA,or the like if that is all that is available?

minesagrolsch, whatever, I really can't be bothered.

Turn the heat up and you might just get to fry that chip of yours.

No wonder you get bumped off.

MAG,

In defence of Captain airprox and Flybe, in your original post you stated that all later flights had been cancelled - which would imply that you were refering to flights from EXT and BHX as well as LGW. Therefore he was quite correct to mention the Dash 8 services.

In my experience Flybe/British/Jersey European try very hard on the Channel Islands routes. Their aircraft have often despatched from BHX and EXT with both islands below limits, held overhead and then returned to base, thus incurring great expense to the airline in an effort to operate the route and serve the CI community.

Regarding staff travel in business class I have certainly travelled in their business cabin on a standby ticket, although not to/from GCI or JER so maybe those routes are different.

Incidentally do you work for Flybe or a rival - I ask because this thread seems to be a deliberate (and in this case I would say undeserved) attack on their reputation.

Minesagrolsch - I was intrigued by your broadside attack on FlyBe, and having looked at your various posts on Pprune see that you are in fact a long-haul pilot in BA. On reflection, it should have been obvious as very few other flying creatures can afford to commute to their 'occasional' work from the Channel Islands tax haven!

What I find particularly intriguing is that you expect crews to be 'resting' in a hotel but 'available' for immediate action when the weather man gets it wrong - a sort of 'scramble-scramble-scramble' really? (You're not an ex RAF fighter pilot are you, you know, leather gloves and silk scarf and all that?).

Let me see - BA ask you to go back to your hotel following your 0600 report, but want you to stay in contact to operate in case the fog lifts? "Just make it a split duty, Ginger old chap - that will sort out the duty period".

Now tell me YOU would not be the first one on the phone to the British Airways Line Pilots Association!

It seems it is not only the islands that are foggy? To be fair, I seriously doubt you understand much about short-haul operations.

Get real!

Walt

excrab,
I do not work for FlyBe.
The initial posting about sacking the ops guy/not operating after fog had lifted was a bit tongue in cheek,but got the boys going.Sorry lads.
But I really want to know about the staff travel policy.
Many of my mates fly for FleBE(Cavok)Ltd,and are themselves amazed that they are not allowed on their own airline using staff travel if economy is full.(Obvioulsy there are the odd occassions when a friendly gate person bends the rules).
But it is written in stone,apparently,that subload staff are only to be unloaded in economy.The aircraft will depart without you ,even if Business is half empty,which is often the case.
I just wanted to know who made this decision and why.What is achieved by this?It surely doesn't foster relations with other carriers,who happily take FlyBe staff in far plusher cabins than they have to offer.

PS.
Has anybody noticed that this smilie :cool: looks like that bloke from that annoying bank advert on the telly ?

Minesagrolsh.

Mmmm note the change of tack when suddenly most viewers of this thread don't agree with your initial statements. How we got onto the rebated travel argument i'll never know.

But in response to your comments...I guess you'll choose not to acknowledge the 9 additional flights added to the FlyBE program today which re-patriated some 600 of those delayed passengers.

...and hey, if you don't like FlyBE's staff travel arrangements then quit moaning and fly BA instead, however....if your flight is cancelled just be aware that there may not be an additional flight added so that you may get to your destination.

flt l w mitty.
Oh dear,you are upset aren't you.
No,sorry,wasn't in the RAF.
And no nothing about short haul,apart from 4000 hours on 737's.xx

Jobs a G.
The thing is that BA will be pulling off the route soon.It would be nice if Fly Be were a bit more accommodating to staff,when they have the monopoly on the LGW route.
I'm sure your figure of 9 extra flights is correct.
The only extra flights that Guernsey got were the aircraft operating into the island to pick up the normal schedule.
(at least that's what the duty officer told me lunch time when Im bumped into him).
Jersey must have been busy.

Well I guess the duty officer was not aware of all the flights then.

BE929/904/905 operated on the LGWGCI route providing and extra 300 seats and BE615 operated SOUGCI and additional 2 sectors later in the afternoon, (unaware of Flt.No's) giving an extra 150 seats on this route. There was an extra EXT-CI-EXT rotation giving 100 seats, 3 extra LGWJER sectors, so another 300seats there and the extra BHXJER rotation giving 200 seats.

I think you would severely struggle to find another airline of a similar size, that has the sort of flexibilty to launch the additonal operation as detailed above.

Why not try being thankful for a change and appreciate the service you have. Some crew members ended up working their rostered days off to help out...perhaps Minesagrolsh, you should tell them that they shouldn't bother next time.

"The thing is that BA will be pulling off the route soon."

Yep. Think yourself lucky that FlyBe are a little more loyal to the island's than that, otherwise you would be catching the boat to work.

As far as staff travel is concerned - Try writing to our Ops Director instead of here, you might have more luck.

Then again you could always move to Crawley. :D

Puddle J.
I totally agree with you.Fly Be have a damn site more loyalty to the islands than BA ever had,and for that I am very grateful.
What I am not so grateful for (along with many other commuters in the same boat) is being left behind (3 times in last 2 months) because econ is full,and business is half empty.
BA,despite their many faults would take YOU,if we had a seat and weight enough.
What makes Fly Be so damn righteous ?
None of my mates who fly for them know why.
Or do you like your staff travel policy ?
I know it is a a decision made by "suits",but it doesn't make much sense.
regards
M'Grolsch

You could always try a firm fare ticket - that would stop you from being bumped off "3 times in the last 2 months" which I guess would have been Christmas and New Year.....

Stingy git - buy yourself a ticket and stop bl0ody whinging.

Staff travel is a PERK.

If you don't like the conditions placed on that PERK, don't use it....simple really.

With ref to the original topic of this post, and having worked in ops it is often the case that you are damned if you do and damned if you don't! You cannot keep people waiting indefinately and often the job calls for calculated decisions based on probabilities. Passengers, crew and ground staff prefer a firm decision as soon as possible and you cannot legislate for Jersey's notorious eratic weather. Hopefully the comment "FlyBe should sack their ops guy " from someone that does a different job and does not have all of the facts was as claimed, very much tongue in cheek.

ES ;)

Jobs a Goodun, I would'nt bother wasting any more of your time with him.

He's a bitter individual. The sort of pax that whinge from the start and then get nowhere with the cabin crew or the Captain, they are their own worst enemy.

If you ever see him on the manifest, give me a heads up and I will refuse him gladly!

BA cancel's again...
 

Just heard as of 1430z on 30th B.A have cancelled all of their flt's to JER due to the forcast crosswinds - NO SURPRISE their then....
BUT as usual [B] flybe.- british european will carry on operating[B] and carry all of B.A's pax's with the additional revenue that this will us......

Spent two days trying to get a visitor off Guernsey on flybe - couple of observations; first, the ticketing staff were unfailingly courteous and friendly despite what must have been a long and trying day for them, as for the pax. Second, in terms of weather delays BA seem to give up first by a wide margin, followed by flybe, while Aurigny seem to be first to start up again....possibly aircraft/routes....possibly other factors. Has BA formally announced withdrawal, or is this simple logical conclusion of fleet plans (Gatwick on 737s)?

CaptAir Prox.
I am not a bitter individual,as those people that actually know me will verify.
I have bent over backwards to carry staff on the jump seat and massaged figures/dumped freight to get staff on our flights,rather than leave them stranded for years.
Shame our jump seat policy is now more restricted.
I won't bother continuing this anymore either,as nobody can actually answer why FlyBe ban staff from Business.

160 to 4 DME,
I know it is a perk.But when every other airline is quite happy to take staff in whatever cabin has seats,why are FlyBe so rigid and difficult in their rules ?
Their staff are charming,as are the crews,it's just the suits that make inflexible decisions that I don't agree with.
I know I can pay full fare.But that's not the point.
Let's face it,you guys happily travel happily on longahul inc BA using staff travel,and I bet you don't refuse Club/First if that is all that's available.
Final question to any Dash drivers.
Is the BE 621 SOU/GCI at 1050 permanently cancelled on a Sunday or was it just today,02 Feb ?
(Turned up at SOU airport this morning,having been delayed from the USA and stayed with a mate.Went to the Aviance desk to be told by a lovely young girl that the flight had been cancelled,but she had no idea why.)

kuningan,
with regard to BA on the GCI/LGW route,no decision has been met.
The plan is to operate 733's into GCI when the ATR finishes,but this still depends on the route review due in Spring.