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student88 6th October 2017 19:47

dboy - please tell us a bit about your experience so we can understand why you feel that way?

How long ago did you lose your job? How much experience flying the A320 do you have, and how recent was it?

I hope you find something soon.

Buster the Bear 6th October 2017 19:48

Only 11 years old and around 30,000 hours.

J.O. 6th October 2017 19:50


Originally Posted by dboy (Post 9916740)
Sorry to say: just saw that Easyjet is also aiming the ex monarch guys to apply. What about other people with experience? Are they not good enough? They can not apply!! This discrimination makes me puke, just because a beloved company went into administration.

I hope for your sake you never have to face sudden unemployment after many years of safe and loyal service to your employer. If you do face that some day, I'm sure you'll appreciate someone reaching out to offer you a softer landing while benefiting from your experience.

To put it another way, put yourself in the shoes of Easyjet management. You have two choices; a pool of candidates who are highly experienced on your current aircraft types and are well familiar with the routes you serve, or a pool of new pilots who will take several years to offer the same benefit. Surely that's an easy choice. If your high end sports car needs a brake job, are you going to hire the shop who's been working on the same model for years, or the newbie who spent his training working on Fiat Pandas?

dboy 6th October 2017 19:56

No no:= i am still working for an airline and have no intention to leave.

It is just that i find this really unfair for those looking for a job and i can imagine this is a slap in their face.

That is why i say :"join the queue". Everybody is equal when looking for a job (no matter if you are a victim of the Monarch debacle or the highly paid captain with emirates who wants to come back to the UK).

J.O. 6th October 2017 20:04

Your lack of empathy is concerning. Do try for just a minute to put yourself in someone else's place. You might find your view of the world is a tad too "black and white".

dboy 6th October 2017 20:10

Lack of empathy? I do feel sorry for guys, but what makes you in the end so different than other fellow pilots also looking for a job? What gives you the right to jump the queue? Just because you are coming from Monarch?

From company perspective i understand, they just want to fill in the gap, but from companies you cant expect any moral.

Skipness One Echo 6th October 2017 20:20

Ref G-ZBAU at Kemble, are there repainting or maintenance facilities there? Thought it was just storage.

TDK mk2 6th October 2017 20:35

What 'queue' is that?! BA have been taking on bus rated people in preference to non rated people for some time but I don't hear you banging on about that.

I'd love to live in the world of ethical recruitment but as far as I can see the 'queue' is defined by them who are offering employment - rightly or wrongly. In this case I have no issue...

CabinCrewe 6th October 2017 21:04

GCAM do full lease return maintenance on Airbus and 757
No repainting

fireflybob 6th October 2017 21:06

It can be a tough world out there. Having had the experience of suddenly finding myself resting when the company I worked for ceased trading it's not really an experience I would wish on my worst enemy.

In my case I watched some of the pilots I had trained walked straight into jobs whilst it took me about 6 months to secure a position - sometimes you can have too much experience!

I say good luck to all Monarch crew and staff looking for a job.

pabely 6th October 2017 21:07


Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo (Post 9916847)
Ref G-ZBAU at Kemble, are there repainting or maintenance facilities there? Thought it was just storage.

ASI do storage as well but normally it's a one way ticket here....

MKY661 6th October 2017 21:46

Well one BMI A330 did get broken up at a Young age, I wonder if any more will end up there? If I was to say yes my guess will be the two A321's at LTN

J.O. 6th October 2017 23:29


Originally Posted by dboy (Post 9916840)
From company perspective i understand, they just want to fill in the gap, but from companies you cant expect any moral.

And there's the rub.

I've been on both sides - one of many who found themselves out of work - and one of the lucky ones who got to help recruit and train the recently unemployed into a growing airline. In the first instance I was fortunate that someone saw my rating and experience had value and they quickly helped me to land on my feet. In the second, we chose the best candidates we could find. The pilots from the recently defunct carrier stood head and shoulders above the rest of the pile of CVs in terms of their experience and ability to "fit in" quickly.

You can moan all you like about your perception of fairness, but in the end, as the one doing the hiring holds all of the cards, your suggestion that the situation is somehow unfair is, quite frankly, petty whinging. I suggest you choose another hill to fight for, because you'll surely die fighting a losing cause on this one.

yeo valley 7th October 2017 04:45

kemble
 

Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo (Post 9916847)
Ref G-ZBAU at Kemble, are there repainting or maintenance facilities there? Thought it was just storage.

Kemble is storage and aircraft part out.Dont know of any maintenance there.

CCGE29 7th October 2017 05:45

Maintenance is carried out at Kemble. G-ZBAP was stored at Kemble as M-RAFF before being leased to Monarch. Most recently two ERJ-145's were stored at Kemble and have now returned to service.

Harry Wayfarers 7th October 2017 05:57

It's a common practice that when aircraft are to be stored they go to an airport or airfield that offers attractive deals for parking.

A previous employer of mine folded in 1982, 35 YEARS AGO, and even then to park a DC10 at LGW cost £52 per hour, £1,248 per day!

rog747 7th October 2017 06:11

monarch pilots are highly trained,loyal, and now there is a huge pool of type rated and experienced people who other reputable airlines are now wishing to snap up in the likes of virgin ezy tui titan and BA -
even ryanair & Norwegian are interested.

pleased to see that the cabin crew also have also been thrown lifeboats as carriers need CC...best of luck to them all

its is the ground ops folk that will find jobs harder to come by sadly

compton3bravo 7th October 2017 07:44

HOW MUCH! Sorry just a little light relief after a bad week for many people.

dboy 7th October 2017 07:56

Like i said before, equal changes and equal opportunities for everybody. No matter the background. And if the ex-Monarch are as good as you claim, well than the selection would not be a problem at all.

Good luck to you'all.

Uplinker 7th October 2017 09:27

You own a garage and you are doing OK, but it is a competitive market. You need another engineer.

Do you select from the pile of CV's;

A cadet who has done an HND in car maintenance at the local Polytechnic, worked at Kwik-Fit on Saturdays, and who after a few years will be perfectly competent?,

Or do you select the engineer from the garage down the road who was originally trained by Audi and who has worked on cars for 5 years?

Which one of those two will be able to work unsupervised, and tackle any job presented from day one?


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