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Drussjnr 7th October 2017 18:37


In terms of continuing to operate I believe the board decided that it would not be feasible to continue normal operations as the demands of "money up front" would not be sustainable.
The board didn't decide, in the UK if your company is in the winding up process you cannot continue to operate and all company assets are no longer yours. So, in essence, they no longer owned said planes and as such could not operate anyway.

Olympia 463 7th October 2017 18:41

I have watched the course of this thread from day one with ever increasing dismay.
In any business cash flow is 'king', as any business man will tell you.
I once worked for a company (not in the airline business) which went bust with a full order book, and had a team of the leading experts in our field. The bank pulled the plug by refusing to extend our overdraft even though we had invoices outstanding from customers which equalled our output for six months. If you cannot pay your wages on a Friday it is ILLEGAL to continue trading. This is what hit Monarch. They had no cash in the till and they had to file for administration - that is the law. 630 skilled engineers, many with good honours degrees, and technicians with centuries of experience between them, all went out on the street at one go. At the time (it was in the wake of the Rolls-Royce bankruptcy) jobs were hard to find. I am delighted that the Monarch folk, not just the pilots, are at least in some demand. Good luck to them.

CabinCrewe 7th October 2017 18:45

An interesting article with the breakdown in ZB capacity and competition
Monarch ceases trading ? why did the airline go bust? :: Routesonline

Gertrude the Wombat 7th October 2017 18:47


Originally Posted by KelvinD (Post 9917597)
If and when they decide the game is up and nothing further can be done the next steps are usually bankruptcy, a winding up order and liquidators appointed

... and the point at which they decide that "the game is up" is, of course, the point at which there is no money left to pay the administrators any more.

Widger 7th October 2017 22:02

http://https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/07/collapse-monarch-last-days-doomed-airline

Widger 7th October 2017 22:17

https://amp.theguardian.com/business...doomed-airline

HotandCold 8th October 2017 06:08

Sunday Times
 
Sunday Times indicating that Greybull didn't pump the reported £165 million into Monarch last year - The secretive owner of Monarch Airlines, which collapsed last week, drastically cut its exposure to losses through a back-door deal with aerospace giant Boeing; Monarch received the bulk of the money to fund a £165 million bailout one year ago from the Chicago-based plane maker — not from its private equity owner Greybull.

Georgeablelovehowindia 8th October 2017 10:30

The Sunday Times
 
I suggest you all invest in today's copy of The Sunday Times. In the business section, in two articles, there it is. 'Revealed: Monarch owner's secret deal with Boeing' and 'Monarch:the sting in the tale.' - pun intended, presumably!

It was all to do with the glorious carve-up of the sale and lease-back of the seriously underpriced Boeing 737 Max 8s on order (allegedly).

Black Pudding 8th October 2017 15:38

Any chance you can copy and paste the Times article please

GoldwingSpain 8th October 2017 16:12

new link

https://www.theguardian.com/business...doomed-airline

NutLoose 8th October 2017 23:29

Also on

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/boeing-hel...6--sector.html

Enzo999 9th October 2017 08:18

Did anyone seriously think GreyBull would loose a penny? This is what they do gamble with other peoples money sometimes it works for them if not bankruptcy comes to the rescue.

sky9 9th October 2017 09:37


Originally Posted by Georgeablelovehowindia (Post 9918126)
I suggest you all invest in today's copy of The Sunday Times. In the business section, in two articles, there it is. 'Revealed: Monarch owner's secret deal with Boeing' and 'Monarch:the sting in the tale.' - pun intended, presumably!

It was all to do with the glorious carve-up of the sale and lease-back of the seriously underpriced Boeing 737 Max 8s on order (allegedly).

I suspect that similar goings on occur in other airlines including the Irish ones.

lee757 9th October 2017 10:35

"The US aerospace giant (boeing) is understood to have injected the money via Monarch’s offshore holding company, Petrol Jersey Ltd.

That deal, plus a potential £60 million sale of lucrative runway slots – including 20 at Gatwick – and £48 million of cash in Monarch’s bank account, means Greybull is likely to walk away from the failure of the airline and travel group with losses that are a fraction of the £250 million shortfall it has been widely reported as facing, according to The Sunday Times.

"Questions have been raised about timing. Monarch went down with £48 million of cash in the bank, over which Greybull has a strong claim as primary secured creditor"

"Greybull’s Marc Meyohas said the timing of the collapse “was influenced by Atol, not by us running out of cash"

"Greybull said it is owed debt, equity, interest and fees totalling more than £100 million, which will be offset by the proceeds from the administration"

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articl...s-165m-bailout

Webby737 9th October 2017 12:52

Strangely enough I did a rumour that a certain Irish airline was doing this.

mudcity 9th October 2017 13:17

All very odd, looks like Monarch are continuing to employ the required post holders so they can claim their AOC is still active, therefore they still own the slots at the UK airfields......wonder who will then benefit from their sale ?

Alsacienne 9th October 2017 13:28

So sorry to see just two Monarch hulls standing idle at LTN this morning ... and the offices mostly dark and the car park spaces with plenty of space. End of an era.

HotandCold 9th October 2017 14:04


Originally Posted by lee757 (Post 9919149)
".... a potential £60 million sale of lucrative runway slots – including 20 at Gatwick – and £48 million of cash in Monarch’s bank account, means Greybull is likely to walk away from the failure of the airline and travel group with losses.......

"Greybull said it is owed debt, equity, interest and fees totalling more than £100 million, which will be offset by the proceeds from the administration"


Please excuse my naivety here but if Greybull say they are owed more than £100 million but they receive £60 million from slots and £48 million cash plus retain MAEL then surely there is no loss?


In addition I read that Greybull are first in line to recoup monies when the slots are sold on by the receiver but KPMG can only sell whilst the Monarch licence (currently suspended) is held however surely this could be revoked by the CAA thus the receiver would not be able to sell same. The money could then go some way to offsetting repatriation costs, redundancy payments and ATOL cover.


Grateful for comment (as a newby) where I'm going wrong!

Lee J 9th October 2017 14:41

Is anyone with insider knowledge able to now expand on what Monarch were actually trying to sell in terms of the short haul business.

The brand, crew, routes, slots? Less or more?

SealinkBF 9th October 2017 15:40

I thought I was being flippant at the time...


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