Midland London routes
 

Domestic : LPL, EMA, BHX, BFS, MME, LBA, JER, GLA
A330 : BOM
Europe : CDG, AMS, BRU, ZRH, etc

Records at home, will dig them out later.

Oddly enough MAN got the old LPL flight numbers.

Venice,Palma,zurich,Warsaw,tolouse, Nice,totonto, rome,prague naples, budapest ,cork chicago,frankfurt, kristinsand ,tenerief,dusseldorf,birmingham,bergen,alicante,lille,invern ess barcelona,stornaway.

Regarding point to point London traffic, STN could well be a convenient alternative for some, from Belfast. However from the point of view of connecting traffic, NI only has BD and EI to LHR. EI only has codeshare with BA, (and the daily EWR for the Americas).

NI has no alternative links via Brussels, Amsterdam, Frankfurt etc like many other UK regionals. LHR is a necessity to keep NI competitive business wise, and for long haul leisure traffic feeding into Star. Surely with EI the only competition with 3 daily winter into LHR, and NI seperated from the mainland, this route should be a cash cow for BD??

Surely ABZ is an important feeder for bmi routes aimed at the energy sector?

Lufthansa wanting to filter transfer traffic through Europe rather than LHR could be working. Lufthansa UK and Ireland figures more than double the airlines average increase. Press release from nitravelnews.

I'm sure there will be some impact on bmi's revenue but I don't think Its going to be as bad as everyone thinks. I've noticed that the load factors on the Cairo route have already recovered to almost what they were before all the problems began out there.

I read somewhere last year (before any of this unrest in the Middle East) that the new ceo of bmi recognised the need to have a fall back plan for the volatile Middle East market and thats one of the reasons why he wanted to build up a Mainland Europe portfolio. Hence another reason why he is trying to shift capacity away from UK & Ireland and has launched Vienna, Berlin, Bergen, Stavenger and Basel. Lets face it Uk & Ireland flights alone are not going to hold up bmi.

I would imagine that not going to TIP with half a dozen pax is saving bmi a small fortune compared to predicted losses on the route before the crisis. As long as it loses less than 30K per day it will be better than Glasgow. Not going at all sounds like an ideal solution, straight from the Nigel Turner school of accounting.

The 3 remaining A321s from the original B|MED order of 5 will be delivered in 2012. G-MEDP, G-MEDR & G-MEDV will have a new configuration of 21C 130Y, lie flat beds in a 2-1 layout in C, brand new AVOD IFE throughout & blue mood lighting. The current A321s will then be refitted with the same.

Feeding Continental at Heathrow to Houston and the oil traffic to Tripoli.....ooops! Actually since ABZ is still on the Embraer, it's got to go. That's an utter waste of a Heathrow slot, BAA will up the price until they're gone. They want more A380s not ERJs

Will the 3 new A321 be additional to the BMI fleet or replacing order aircraft?

Probably to release 3 319 to baby to start BHD,GLA,EDI into STN!

The A321s will be in addition to the current 7, therefore making 10. All of them are now in full bmi livery & having new interiors so they won't be going anywhere anytime soon. Don't expect the A319s to br going anywhere either. They are having new bmi interiors currently fitted & the 2nd phase of this will include fitting new galleys & standardising the configuration to 144CY.

I could only guess that the 3 new A321s are configured with business and economy to operate midhaul routes, which suggests further expansion in that area. bmi did say that there will be more new route launches in the future.

Indeed ideal to replace the 2 500's 1 300 due for replacement in 2012 and allowing the sale of the baby product on code share with LH/Germanwings which the current product is not up to scratch.

319/737 debate

Given that LH airlines have not to my knowledge ordered any new Boeing narrow body aircraft in over a decade what makes anyone think they would start now, LH airlines have a long history of aircraft ownership.

If WW are to expand as expected in 2012 then it is easier to do when the total airframes are at an all time low and any expansion will require new crew to fly them, i would not rule out further 737's in 2012, but IMHO 319/320 are a no brain-er for WW

max :ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

didn't stop 145 /757 's wont stop baby getting the right fleet for the job, despite a few precious 12 yr fo's:}

I wish i was this good at fishing:}

I think you are missing the point, wps isn't going to let what is fast becoming a break even/ near profit business be held to ransome by mainline pilots.
:=:=

Mainline guys at baby.......you would hate it working four sector days and no grub?:p

As I recall, the scope clause relates to ops at LHR only so there is no reason in principle why baby could not operate 319/320's from the current bases. Whether it will happen is another matter, and in my view unlikely, but it won't be prevented because of the existence of a scope clause designed to protect mainline pilots' jobs at LHR. The 757 and 145 issues did require alleviations precisely because they were operating in and out of LHR.

Le Grand Fromage,

You wait 3 years to make a post and it is factually incorrect! The scope clause entitles bmi mainline pilots to operate all services flown by the bmi group, to/from any location, on aircraft of a certain size on bmi mainline terms and conditions; yep that includes grub.

A point well illustrated by the requirement for the existing alleviation for baby ops on B737. Besides, there is no cash for a complete re-fleet at baby and all that would entail, much easier just to put mainline pilots on it. That's probably why mainline are moving pilots to MAN and BHX....they'll be the only bases baby operate from soon.

I'm surprised you can pass the aural for a Class 1 max nightstop.

Just like there was no cash for the bmi aircraft refit...inspite of the fact they're losing £100's of millions a year....I can understand why baby is the highlight of WPS' day.

:E

I think you need to appreciate the mechanics of aircraft acquisition in the LH group.

And remember...LH see the future of intra-European travel resting with the LOCO model. I'm not sure many baby pilots fancy the "Stans" anyway...

Ho ho ho ho ho...

Anyway, nice to see pilots within the bmi group supporting one another...

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