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crewmeal 21st February 2012 09:11

If it's true that FR are trying to reduce charges and use a chicken and fox approach, then management should do what was done in Manchester a couple of years ago. EZY could pick up the slack along with other operators.

Joe Curry 21st February 2012 09:18

Apaul.. FR do not fly EDI-STN.

This comment in the Scotsman forum probably explains it all.

It looks as if BAA are negotiating this deal with Ryanair to hold their prices up at a time when with approaching competition once the place is sold there will have to be real thought given to the pricing structure for landing fees - are they, then, trying to sabotage the Turnhouse operation in advance of the sale so as to boost Glasgow?? Could there be a link between O'Leary's scrapping flights at both Turnhouse and Prestwick?? Will we see him arriving at Abbotsinch in a few months time with a large portfolio of services filched from the other aiports and with the support of massively reduced landing fees???!! If so who can do something to stop this?

Flypuppy 21st February 2012 09:27


Will we see him arriving at Abbotsinch in a few months time with a large portfolio of services filched from the other aiports and with the support of massively reduced landing fees???!! If so who can do something to stop this?
There is nothing to stop this happening, I doubt pressure from the Scottish Government would change MOL's mind and BAA have their own agenda.

j636 21st February 2012 10:16

7 down to 6 based a/c
5 routes cancelled (Malmo, Murcia, Ibiza and Tallinn)
140 down to 110 weekly flights
300,000 passenger per year.

There current contract is finished in October 2012 and Ryanair said if it is not extended on more competitive terms there will be significant further cuts.

Ryanair Cuts Edinburgh Traffic by 15% From Summer 2012

GAXLN 21st February 2012 11:13

Joe Curry,

If you read again, you will see that Apaul was just highlighting Laurie Price's lack of knowledge and not his own in respect of where Ryanair operate to from Edinburgh.

PAXboy 21st February 2012 12:16

Here are more extracts from the BBC, that appear to show the usual MoL hyperbole.


Ryanair said it would close the routes between Edinburgh and Berlin, Malmo, Murcia, Ibiza and Tallinn. However, flights to Berlin had already been stopped, and the routes serving Malmo, Murcia and Ibiza were only launched three weeks ago and have not yet started operating.
That's four out of the six. Now, the new flights could have been expected to bring in new pax but their non-start will not affect the airport in the way that is suggested.

The potential number of job losses has been disputed by industry insiders. Ryanair does not employ any staff directly at Edinburgh Airport. One source said they "would be amazed" if anything like that number of staff were made redundant.
The observation about EDI / PIK / GLA sounds like it is spot on. FR plays a wide game, across many bases and has always proved that it will slash and burn to gain a pennyworth at another. No one expects them to be interested in the long term of their individual bases and routes. It is a harsh business model but one that they will pursue for the forseeable future.

commit aviation 21st February 2012 14:01

Interesting how the BAA conspiracy theories have begun already. Is it perhaps more a case that BAA don't do deals if it is not in the best financial interests of the organisation?
They already have one airport at STN where the Ryanair effect appears to have seen off many of the other airlines. Perhaps they are taking an approach (similar to MAN as already mentioned) to protect the wider business interests.
I don't know but in light of the sale would the "local management team" not be isolated from the wider BAA business to avoid exactly this sort of potential "foul play"?

MOL is sabre rattling to get the best deal for his airline as well he might. Just because BAA / EDI management don't want to play doesn't necessarily mean dark & sinister forces are at work!

GustyOrange 21st February 2012 14:51

CA,

That's correct. Everything that the airport management do is now overseen by the competition commission. The conspiracy stuff is only peddled by fools.

G

Joe Curry 21st February 2012 15:56


If you read again, you will see that Apaul was just highlighting Laurie Price's lack of knowledge and not his own in respect of where Ryanair operate to from Edinburgh.
Deepest apologies Apaul...

Joe Curry 21st February 2012 16:00

It appears one of the demands were centered around ATC charges

Ryanair blames BAA as they axe routes from Edinburgh Airport putting 300 jobs in danger - The Daily Record

BigFrank 21st February 2012 17:18

"Thinking outside the box"
 
Alex Salmond and the Skottish Parliament to vote 15m pounds sterling (not "Scots"; perish the thought !) to be used for pump priming of new routes in accordance with Brussels's hyper tough regulations.

Everyone then happy:

i) Scottish travelling public as it can now travel to Spitzbergen in mid-summer for a handful of bawbees (plus a supplement for paying the pilot, another for paying the cleaner, another for paying the tug, another for paying the window cleaner, another for paying the snow clearer in EDI, another for....)

ii) Alex Salmond (the second greatest politician in living memory, only eclipsed by Nelson Mandela; or so says Rupert Murdoch today in the soar away Sun) can rest easy on his laurels as a member of the European Premier League of airline subsidisers. Eat your heart out Artur Mas i Gavarró

iii) MOL as he counts his hard earned bonus

iv) The bureaucrats of Brussels as they know that the use of a Ryanair plane as a flying taxi by the Transport Commissioner in an outrageously brazen illegal intrusion into the decision of the electorate of Ireland in their most recent EU referendum has not been noticed by anyone of any judicial importance

Not a single fly in the lego-political-subsidy-rich ointment !

BigFrank 21st February 2012 17:23

EXCLUSIVE: headline from tomorrow's Skottish Sun
 
MOL has threatened to walk away from EDI in autumn 2012 unless they guarantee 20m sterling. In cash. To be paid in full before the end of February.

"We're sick and tired of gombeen airports and their gombeen governments which treat Ryanair executives like a cross between cattle and human scum" he intoned to a packed press conference full of hyper credulous hacks as he playfully stuffed a pair of bagpipes down the orifice of the First Minister in Edinburgh on Tuesday.

New T2 Office 24th February 2012 10:49

I hear MON are putting an a/c in EDI this summer, is it for TOM or Thompson? Anyone know?

Will it be a 320/1 or a 757?

habs_fan 24th February 2012 12:07

Monarch are suppost to be basing a 757 for Tom flights during the summer at EDI.

Sam Chipperfield 25th February 2012 18:50

6 Nations
 
Does Anyone Have A List Of The Chartered Airlines And Aircraft Used For This Weekends 6 Nations?

habs_fan 25th February 2012 20:51

French post. sam air, air explore, jet2, monarch, XL france and air mediterranée are the main airline along with Air france with there 777 most of the aircraft are 737 with the odd A321 and757 and J41

OltonPete 21st March 2012 21:58

Turkish Airlines
 
Bookable in GDS from 16/7/12 four weekly A319 in 11.40 out 12.40 Mon, Tue, Thu and Saturday.

Pete

Joe Curry 22nd March 2012 17:30

More on EDI-IST

Travel News | Travel News Online | Travel Daily UK

jamesferns 25th March 2012 14:19

I think its certain aMON 757 is being based for the summer ,not sure whos flights its covering

fjencl 2nd April 2012 09:39

Yes its a Monarch 757 that will be operating out of EDI for this summer
on behalf of Thomson.


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