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Old 8th Oct 2005, 21:09
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EDINBURGH

So.........

They've started work on the new pier.

The tower should be operational this month.

bmi and other airlines have slated Edinburgh Airport as being slow to expand.

http://business.scotsman.com/transpo...?id=2051682005

http://business.scotsman.com/transpo...?id=2047902005

What future for the airport of Scotland's capital?

To start the ball rolling I'd like to see prop aircraft like FlyBe and BA Citiexpress etc moved form the main terminal (inlcuding the new pier) and put out on remote stands. This would necessitate the BAA to actually employ some bus drivers to coach passengers to these aircraft, a novel concept for the BAA. This would free up stands for the bigger aircraft. Would also reduce congestions etc etc.

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Old 8th Oct 2005, 21:51
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I would change the title to caps lock
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Old 8th Oct 2005, 22:58
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This winter should see good growth continued, with daily flights to GVA courtesy of EZY and GSM, plus new flights to WAW and CO upgrading the EWR-EDI to a daily B762.
The airlines have a point though, the terminal is inadequate just now.
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Old 9th Oct 2005, 09:21
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I think EDIs growth could well be stunted over winter/spring due to the problems previously mentioned at peak periods . HLX are pulling Hamburg , GSM are pulling Prague and Jet2 are pulling MAN and there could be more to follow as EZY are reported to be getting disgruntled re delayed departures. I think the fact that EZYS next A319 base is to be GLA speaks volumes about how the airline currently views the gridlock situ at peak times at EDI . I'm sure the next A319 base would have been at EDI, otherwise!
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When (If) EZY goes A319 at GLA, EDI will either be done just before, just after or you could find pilots from both bases on the courses at the same time. As to when the airframes actually arrive will be a scheduling task, but HQ in LTN views EDI and GLA as one SCOTTISH base, so all this talk of who will or wont get airbus up here is irrellevent, when a decision is made it will be that Scotland (EZY) is going airbus and the rest will be down to planning.

They would like to (trying to) dual base us up here anyway, so having one base 737 and the other A319 would make no sense whatsoever!

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I think EDIs growth could well be stunted over winter/spring due to the problems previously mentioned at peak periods . HLX are pulling Hamburg , GSM are pulling Prague and Jet2 are pulling MAN and there could be more to follow as EZY are reported to be getting disgruntled re delayed departures. I think the fact that EZYS next A319 base is to be GLA speaks volumes about how the airline currently views the gridlock situ at peak times at EDI . I'm sure the next A319 base would have been at EDI, otherwise!
But with 2x daily GVA, daily CO B762 to EWR and new flights to HEL and WAW and ARN, that will well outway any negative effect in growth figures. CSA are increasing their PRG-EDI frequency on last winter, so GSM dropping EDI-PRG should have no effect. Jet2 dropping MAN hasn't been confirmed, and if and when they do drop EDI-MAN, there's a possibility it'll be replaced with a more worthwhile route given they already have a base established at EDI.
No reports of EZY being unhappy at EDI, just the hissy fit by bmi the other day, plus EZY's next A319 base is to be BRS, seen nothing confirmed by EZY regarding when GLA or EDI will start seeing A319s based.

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Old 9th Oct 2005, 19:10
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Agree with ezy driver and goEdi. I've been told that EDI would convert to Airbus in Mar/Apr with GLA following shortly afterwords.

There's a reason EZY is going to GVA from EDI and it's probably to do with money. I'm not going to get into EDI v GLA debate so will leave it at that!

The new pier is wanted by no airlines. BA and BD have both said they're not interested in it. It's going to be a long walk and is going to cause problems with pax getting to their gates on time. In addition the apron only has one entry/exit so unless they build another entrance/exit it's going to ba a nightmare just as the exisiting cul-de-sac is.

By making a small pier they've just restricted the size of the airport for the next 20 years. There was a plan for a new terminal where Ingliston Sunday market is. Can't see that happening for a long time so we're stuck with existing gates and perhaps more remote stands and that's it!

Interested in Jet2 pulling off the MAN route. Would have thought they'd have cleaned up on that one since BA/BD have been running EMB145 and Dash 8's there. Can't believe Jet2 were not filling it. Could we see a bun fight between GSM and Jet2 over some international routes?
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Can't believe Jet2 were not filling it. Could we see a bun fight between GSM and Jet2 over some international routes?
The B733 is just too big for the route, especially when there is already ample air/road/rail links to MAN.
One route that Jet2 could do is EDI-Murcia, Jet2 seem to like Murica.

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BAA have released their traffic figures for September:

http://www.baa.com/portal/controller...00147e120a____

EDI handled 782 700 pax for the month, a increase of 6.9% on last year.

The annual rolling total is now 8 373 500, an increase of 6.2% on last year.

After a slow start to the year cargo figures are now rocketing again, 22.7% growth this month.

ATMs also showed a strong increase of 6.6% for the month, at 10 245.

A very good month overall for EDI, the strong growth continues!
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Interested to note that the ILS and DME has been withdrawn during the day last couple of days and no mention on the NOTAMS, something to do with prooving the new tower, but what has been really surprising is the ATIS, informing us that we can expect a radar vectored approach!!!

NDB? SRA? Vectors for a visual?

Queried this today but approach controller didn't quite get the hint.

Radar vectored approach actually means radar vectors to an NDB with no DME and if you ask they will give you a radar range to start your descent????? But actually relying on a/c calling visual!

All seems very non standard and very surprised that no detailed NOTAM has been issued as to what to expect when they pull the plug on the ILS and DME like this.

Come on guys at least give us a better clue on the ATIS than "radar vectored approach", not everyone is as familiar with EDI and certainly the daily services by the large schedule carriers can have crews on them who have never been to EDI before although the flight number goes every day.


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Guys - give EDI management a break!

Do you bus drivers have any idea what it is like to manage an airport?? You chaps seem to think that everyone's job is as simple as yours - trust me, sitting in the left hand seat is very different to being a captain of industry.

You should try it some day, assuming you make the grade...
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Old 15th Oct 2005, 09:07
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Delta are going to be starting EDI-Atlanta
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Old 15th Oct 2005, 09:30
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Yes GK , I can smell the unmistakable whiff of 30 pieces of Scottish Executive silver!
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Old 15th Oct 2005, 09:37
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Just like Continental got when starting Glasgow-Newark. Does it matter how, why, where, just be happy we have a new destination without going via London.
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Old 15th Oct 2005, 09:47
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R31 , the Executive bribes were not in place when COA stated GLA- Newark , they were in evidence when COA "decided" to add EDI. As Delta have been considering GLA - Atlanta recently it is clear that the powers that be have swayed them to operate from their centre of the universe instead!
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Fe Fi Fo Fum,

I smell the whiff of EDI v GLA again...

Whoever has got ATL,it's great news for SCOTLAND.
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Old 15th Oct 2005, 10:32
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Indeed - now all we need is an airport railway station, and then the whole of Scotland can access the airport easily!

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Hey that is good news. But haven't read anything about it in the local papers? SO does anyone have any more infor about EDI - Atlanta? Like when does the service start?, aircraft?, etc. Will there be sufficient demand to fly this route? Questions, questions!!
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An online article from the Scotsman said daily from next May
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Old 15th Oct 2005, 17:39
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Great news this, almost certainly will be B763. Look forward to finding out more on Tuesday!

Billyg must be forgetting where the majority of the SE's fund is going...
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