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Originally Posted by Balair
(Post 11199463)
Freeport
A map showing the location of the Freeport tax sites which will be centred on and around the airport can now be viewed on the GOV.UK website. The main site is a huge area to the South of the airport stretching between Diseworth and Donington Services. The area is roughly that of the Segro EM Gateway which also now includes three new tax sites. There are are two sites shown on the airport itself. One covers the majority of the central maintenance area, including long stay car park one. The other is the area at the extreme Western end of the airport which is currently used for car parking. Indications show that provision has been made here for a sizeable extension to the Western ramp. I would imagine therefore, that this location will probably be used for additional freight facilities. One area that has not been included in the Freeport planning is that to the East of the new UPS hub, so it could be that this is already earmarked for a new ramp to cater for UPS’s future expansion. It remains to be seen what transpires, but with the continued growth in airfreight at EMA I can imagine more ramp space will be required sooner rather than later. Mentioned this to my Brother today over a coffee. He spent a lifetime at LCC covering NW Leics planning permissions. He mentioned that the land south of the A453 between the M1 services and the a/p entrance has long been ear marked for freight warehousing development - plus a load of new homes toward Dizzyworth for the new employees. He suggested this will move forward now. We shall see. |
FedEx
In light of the reports that FedEx are to cease their MAN-BHX-CDG route, do we know what, if any, changes are planned for EMA? |
Fed Ex
Originally Posted by Balair
(Post 11200470)
FedEx
In light of the reports that FedEx are to cease their MAN-BHX-CDG route, do we know what, if any, changes are planned for EMA? Pete |
We will find out next week, but with EasyJet pulling BFS/EMA at the end of this month BHD/EMA ought to be in amongst the new Flybe offering since it will become an unserved city pairing, and one which has always been pretty popular.
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Originally Posted by Balair
(Post 11200470)
FedEx
In light of the reports that FedEx are to cease their MAN-BHX-CDG route, do we know what, if any, changes are planned for EMA? FEDEX adding a 4 weekly mon-thurs 767F EMA- CDG - EMA replacing the man/bhx - CDG begins 28th March. |
Longtail 744 to take up some LAX flights for DHL whilst Cargologic air are currently grounded. Ops Sundays and Tuesdays
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Originally Posted by EGNXROB
(Post 11202198)
Longtail 744 to take up some LAX flights for DHL whilst Cargologic air are currently grounded. Ops Sundays and Tuesdays
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Originally Posted by STN Ramp Rat
(Post 11190371)
The EMA-IND route is only at EMA due to a shortage of night slots at STN. FedEx have had night slot issues at STN for some time and previously operated a EWR-STN-CDG-EWR service that should have operated vis STN on the return to the US but due to a lack of night slots had to operate directly to the US on the return. eventually when it became aparent that the issue would not be resolved the service became a EWR-CDG-EWR route.
With regards to the variety of points of origin for flights to CDG remember FedEx is a parcels service and its all about the box, the aircraft will go wherever the box’s originate or terminate. A prime example of this is with DHL at Luton, they cannot get LHR slots for the London inbound sort so the flights operate to LTN, in the evening the flights position empty to LHR to collect the outbound London sort because LHR is closer to the sort location than LTN. |
Originally Posted by Rutan16
(Post 11202308)
Presume Cargologic grounded because it’s really a Russian carrier in disguise 🥸
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Flybe
Flybe have announced two routes from EMA.
East Midlands - Amsterdam, Daily,starts 22nd April East Midlands- Beifast City 2x Daily, starts 7th of July. |
Originally Posted by craigyton2
(Post 11203773)
Flybe have announced two routes from EMA.
East Midlands - Amsterdam, Daily,starts 22nd April East Midlands- Beifast City 2x Daily, starts 7th of July. |
Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 11203790)
BHD ought to work for both Flybe and EMA with EasyJet giving up BFS/EMA at the end of March. Provided they have got in place an interline agreement with KLM and the timings fit in to some extent with onward connections at Schiphol AMS could do quite well too. Both routes probably have better chances of success than trying to compete with KLM on AMS/LHR!!
But the EMA routes should have every reason to succeed, and if BE manage to get a KL code on the AMS route it would be brilliant for EMA pax through ticketing to KL's global network. However, from my time at KL, their pilot unions keep very very tight control on which and how many partner airlines can carry a KL codeshare. But I am REALLY hoping for the codeshare and access to a network carriers hub from EMA. Maybe the new BE will consider GLA, EDI, NQY, and CDG? (Although CDG is one of the worst hubs for connecting pax) |
Originally Posted by egnxema
(Post 11203829)
Fully agree ATNotts ! The LHR routes to BHD, LBA and AMS look dreadful choices, but I guess they are associated to the former bmi slots.
But the EMA routes should have every reason to succeed, and if BE manage to get a KL code on the AMS route it would be brilliant for EMA pax through ticketing to KL's global network. However, from my time at KL, their pilot unions keep very very tight control on which and how many partner airlines can carry a KL codeshare. But I am REALLY hoping for the codeshare and access to a network carriers hub from EMA. Maybe the new BE will consider GLA, EDI, NQY, and CDG? (Although CDG is one of the worst hubs for connecting pax) |
!iving in the N W corner of the West Midlands I can assure you that EMA is definitely NOT cut off from us , it just takes, typically, 15 mins longer in the car and none of that horrendous M6 traffic J10 to J5.
Furthermore it has good car parks not placed so far away as to require a Bus to get to the Terminal, alternatively an excelient Meet & Greet. OK, so it hasn't got a BHX Shopping Mall and Boozers hut you're there to catch a flight. Right? Since 2018, with exception of. Covid closures, it replaced BHX as my airport of choice for Jet2 holidays except one where they didnt fly there on the day I needed. |
Originally Posted by Flying Hi
(Post 11203979)
!iving in the N W corner of the West Midlands I can assure you that EMA is definitely NOT cut off from us , it just takes, typically, 15 mins longer in the car and none of that horrendous M6 traffic J10 to J5.
Furthermore it has good car parks not placed so far away as to require a Bus to get to the Terminal, alternatively an excelient Meet & Greet. OK, so it hasn't got a BHX Shopping Mall and Boozers hut you're there to catch a flight. Right? Since 2018, with exception of. Covid closures, it replaced BHX as my airport of choice for Jet2 holidays except one where they didnt fly there on the day I needed. |
Originally Posted by Flying Hi
(Post 11203979)
!iving in the N W corner of the West Midlands I can assure you that EMA is definitely NOT cut off from us , it just takes, typically, 15 mins longer in the car and none of that horrendous M6 traffic J10 to J5.
Furthermore it has good car parks not placed so far away as to require a Bus to get to the Terminal, alternatively an excelient Meet & Greet. OK, so it hasn't got a BHX Shopping Mall and Boozers hut you're there to catch a flight. Right? Since 2018, with exception of. Covid closures, it replaced BHX as my airport of choice for Jet2 holidays except one where they didnt fly there on the day I needed. |
Flybe
Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 11203835)
GLA and EDI were on my list of "possibles" but without a base at EMA or either of the Scottish airports operating at business friendly timings would be a challenge at present. They are taking a risk offering Scottish services from BHX up against EZY, but as I posted on the Flybe thread I reckon they are betting on EZY moving aircraft of the BHX domestics to serve more profitable routes between UK and the continent during high summer - as they have with the BFS/EMA service. If that doesn't come to pass they may find BHX routes tough, and could conceivably shift the Scottish routes up the M42/A42; doing so wouldn't cut them off from all the BHX market, just the west and north sides of the West Midlands.
Amsterdam-EMA last time was a success if load factors and fares were anything to go by - CAA stats for 2019 show 48462 pax, 707 flights which is 69 per flight or 88% which is higher than what I thought but shows demand if nothing else. Pete |
Originally Posted by craigyton2
(Post 11203773)
Flybe have announced two routes from EMA.
East Midlands - Amsterdam, Daily,starts 22nd April East Midlands- Beifast City 2x Daily, starts 7th of July. |
Anyone know why FX47 regularly circles in the hold on arrival to EMA from CDG even when there is nothing else on approach?
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Originally Posted by egnxema
(Post 11207599)
Anyone know why FX47 regularly circles in the hold on arrival to EMA from CDG even when there is nothing else on approach?
All down to stand availability yesterday evening there was a extra 777 in from Leige (unsure if this is to be regular) which had to hold over Leicester until a company 757 was moved to the main apron to free up some ramp space on the Eastern cargo apron |
Originally Posted by EGNXROB
(Post 11207698)
All down to stand availability yesterday evening there was a extra 777 in from Leige (unsure if this is to be regular) which had to hold over Leicester until a company 757 was moved to the main apron to free up some ramp space on the Eastern cargo apron
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This service (FX47) seems to be in the hold most evenings. On Monday it was 11 times round the hold and yesterday 6 times around before landing and then waiting on a central apron stand for around half an hour beofre finally moving to Cargo East. This must be expensive in terms of fuel cost and time. There are stands available on cargo east as the two Star Air 767's have just departed but these are used later on for mail flights. Are there any plans to build some new stands?
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Originally Posted by tweentown
(Post 11207875)
This service (FX47) seems to be in the hold most evenings. On Monday it was 11 times round the hold and yesterday 6 times around before landing and then waiting on a central apron stand for around half an hour beofre finally moving to Cargo East. This must be expensive in terms of fuel cost and time. There are stands available on cargo east as the two Star Air 767's have just departed but these are used later on for mail flights. Are there any plans to build some new stands?
I can certain imagine that stand allocation gets tight at times in the evening on the East and West aprons, but I’m surprised there isn’t room on the central apron to allow an arrival to land on time and then wait, even for an hour. or maybe the bit I am missing is the extra parking fees. Is it cheaper to do 11 laps in the air than it is to park a full 777 on stand for an hour? |
If memory serves, its been a while….you cannot get a B777 on to the central apron even under tow - neither Q or R entrance are rated for it
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One wonders if EMA and / or FedEx at EMA have bitten off more than they can chew in taking on the extra business from FedEx. Even DHL appear to be struggling for resources, be that boots on the ground or ramp / cargo terminal space and in recent months have redirected ad hoc freighters (I'm thinking of F.1 work) that wound up at Doncaster.
If MAG don't invest in additional ramp space there is the distinct risk they could kill the goose that lays the golden egg - that is cargo business - as I feel sure that Doncaster would be more than happy to make disgruntled operators offers they'd find difficult to refuse, particularly Amazon, that has a pretty big logistics operation not far from Finningley. |
Time for another stand marking repaint then…..
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For the record FX47 was temporarily parked on Stand 42 on the Central West Apron last night.
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Given the known stand (and possibly manpower) constraints at the airport at that time of day, it was possibly not the wisest decision to divert in FDX21 yesterday evening.
Extra ramp space is not going to be a quick fix. I would imagine around 18/24 months from submission of plans to the planning authorities to it being operational. That’s always supposing the airport have any expansion plans already developed. Is there anyone “in-the-know” who could indicate if that is the case? In the short term, FedEx and the airport need to come up with some creative thinking to get around the current problem, or I suspect FDX47 may be quickly “under review”. I’m no expert, and I know there are many factors involved at the relevant airports, but from what I’ve seen (apart from last night) turn around times for this flight seem quite good once the aircraft is on stand. So could its departure time from CDG be tweaked slightly to build in a little more leeway at EMA? |
Interestingly there was no holding for the FX47 last night and it parked on stand 73 on Cargo East. In the past stand 73 was only configured for maximum Boeing 757, so maybe some re-configuration has taken place as suggested by AP. Also, I think this may only have been possible because the Fedex 757 parked on the adjacent stand left earlier than previously, so it could be that this has been re-scheduled as part of the solution.
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Not seen EMA-LAX or EMA-MIA on F24 recently. Has the increase in scheduled pax traffic to these destinations out of the UK reduced the need for the all freight flights?
maybe I’m just not looking at the right time. |
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Jet2 to base a extra aircraft during summer 23 adding a 1 weekly Santorini and adding extra capacity on existing routes taking them over 100 weekly departures.
https://www.jet2.com/news/2022/04/Je...or_Summer_2023 |
Has the daily Kalitta 747 flight stopped. What replaced it.
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Originally Posted by N707ZS
(Post 11214061)
Has the daily Kalitta 747 flight stopped. What replaced it.
Also of note DHL U.K. have a new 5 weekly EMA-BAH-LEJ-EMA 763F |
Los Angeles
Are we likely to see a return of the Los Angeles and Miami flights in the near future and if so which aircraft will used
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EGNXROB
You posted up thread that Longtail were to take up some of the LAX capacity lost when Cargologic were grounded, and there were a couple of rotations. Subsequently I have noticed Longtail operating through Doncaster, not sure though whether they are connected with the EMA/LAX service. |
Los Angeles
Checked Longtail movements and cannot see anything to suggest that they have been assisting DHL with any flights out of Doncaster
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 11214398)
EGNXROB
You posted up thread that Longtail were to take up some of the LAX capacity lost when Cargologic were grounded, and there were a couple of rotations. Subsequently I have noticed Longtail operating through Doncaster, not sure though whether they are connected with the EMA/LAX service. |
Originally Posted by EGNXROB
(Post 11214442)
The longtail 744 ops through EMA ended up as Jaguar Land Rover charters to LAX through DHL, the confusion was the slots matched roughly the same slot times as the usual Cargologic 744 ops to LAX
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Originally Posted by EGNXROB
(Post 11214442)
The longtail 744 ops through EMA ended up as Jaguar Land Rover charters to LAX through DHL, the confusion was the slots matched roughly the same slot times as the usual Cargologic 744 ops to LAX
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