NutLoose

When I left nearly 2 years ago there were so few Admin people left that B34 was shutting and staff redeployed around the Airport, guess that's still the case, probably why nothing gets done to the pot holes - nobody to report to/ take action on!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-56238018

Mars? It looks more like East Midlands Airports roads...joke.

AP, I cannot see how anyone could miss the poor standard of the roads, they after all have to drive over them to get in. Call me old fashioned but the first thing punters see is the road surfaces as they drive in and if that is worse than some third world countries to the punters they have to wonder what the rest of the infrastructure is like.

sounds like ready made speed humps lol.

MAG - February 2021
 

Feb Pax

MAN = 79,408 down 95.5%

STN = 34,967 down 98.1%

EMA = 255 down 99.9%



Rolling 12m pax

STN = 3,903,227 down 86.1%

MAN = 3,688,509 down 87.4%

EMA = 519,779 down 88.8%



Feb Cargo

EMA = 34,053 up 23.6%

STN = 19,832 up 51.9%

MAN = 4,174 down 41.8%

planeema971

not sure if this is the start of new flights but this morning has seen

CGN - EMA - SDF 763F
CDG - EMA 763F

Also worth nothing the new 747 stand on cargo east is now in operation with Swissport handling the Cargologic 744F on the LGG - EMA - ATL flight

Cargologic
 

So following the daily flights of Cargologic out of EMA, I was wondering what the legalities of operating a G- registered aircraft from the EU to the US for example without operating through the UK on the route? I was under the impression that there wasn’t anything in place in the Brexit deal
Is there any news on the expansion of routes operated by UPS out of the airport

The Cargologic 747s are on the UK register and only, so far as I can recall operating EMA-CVG-EMA. I think they also operate a weekly ATL-EMA that finishes up somewhere in the EU but of course as it's a UK registered aircaft there probably wouldn't be issues carrying revenue cargo EMA-wherever in EU. The Kalitta 747 CKS330/330A operates LEJ-EMA-LAX, but of course this is a different kettle of fish as it's a US registered aircraft and therefore there maybe issues carry paying cargo between LEJ and EMA, but then again FedEX use US registered aircraft for UK/EU flights so perhaps not. Somebody better versed than me could probably clarify that point.

The Brexit (lack of a) deal has made it impossible for Aerologic to operate the D- registered 777 freighters between UK and the USA, and similarly EU registered aircraft, such as the Star Air 767s to operate domestically in UK, so those aircraft now fly domestic UK legs on Titan flight numbers, hence some of the changes to the DHL operation that occurred after the end of transition.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong on any of the above.

Any idea why Ryanair have no EMA flights bookable after 31.12.21 ?

the reason I ask is that it has run AMS-ORD in the last week and I was also under the impression it was impossible

I would guess a one-off permit, in the same way that Ukrainian Antonov operators get to fly EU/UK cargo charters.

Looks unlikely as G-CLAA is currently enroute to Atlanta from Milan.

BHX5DME

Still only flight to 31st Dec visible online. Seems odd.
Anyone know anything on this one?

Yes - very strange when S22 on sale at other airports !

Asked the question on another forum which apparently a lot of the S22 network across Europe isn’t loaded as of yet but will be at some point

It is not S22 it is no flights after 31.12.21 - so half of W21/22 !

there are flights available from EMA till end of March

No there isn't they are all greyed out and not bookable

It seems almost inconceivable that Ryanair would close a base as large as EMA is without any media hoo-haa; it is perhaps more likely they are playing hardball with MAG over fees from 1.1.22, as EMA has suffered particularly badly with passenger services over the pandemic and they feel the time is right to screw a better deal for the EMA operation. It could be (though I very much doubt it!) that BHX, 40 miles down the road, has put in a very competitive package to attract more Ryanair business, and the airline is playing off both airports against each other.

As EMA has continued to be reasonably busy from a cargo standpoint over the last year, Ryanair may find themselves in a weaker negotiating position than at other airports, as the EMA balance sheet may not have suffered quite so badly as many other bases around UK and mainland Europe.

Whilst I doubt Ryanair will close their EMA base altogether (although it is far from impossible) I would not be surprised if they see the present circumstances as an ideal time undertake a major re-distribution of their Midlands capacity between EMA and BHX.
The loss of Flybe and the general downturn in traffic, which could possibly last for some time, may well have also prompted BHX management to have made a tempting offer to Ryanair.

Another factor which may be influencing Ryanair is the likelihood of an Easy base at BHX at some time in the not too distant future and Wizz air’s expansion there, the latter’s operations may also bring DSA into their considerations of any tactical moves?

All of this is of course conjecture, but given MAG’s seemingly lukewarm attitude towards passenger development at EMA in the past, it may well be that they are not prepared to fight too hard to retain passenger business at any cost, but rather concentrate even further on freight?

All these factors may be in the mix. The problem for the passenger side at EMA is that it doesn't have any full service carriers in-situe that are prepared to pay for services, and which allow then to give away money to the likes of Ryanair. Cargo is far less resource hungry, no carparking, no terminal facilities, no space taken up with security. Of course cargo needs security, but it takes place inside the premises operated by the freight companies, such as DHL, UPS and TNT so isn't a direct cost to the airport company. It looks quite appealing to major on cargo rather than 'self loading freight'. If Passenger and Cargo are two different cost or profit centres then there is unlikely to be any appetite for cross subsidisation from cargo to the passenger side, and I'm sure that MAG will require both operations to turn a profit.

Full service airlines, offering connection global connections from EMA have tried and failed on numerous occasions, and post-covid with business travel likely to take a while to recover the prospects for a Lufthansa, AF-KLM or Turkish to chance their arms any time soon.

MAG Stats April 2021
 

April 2021 Pax

Stansted – 84,553 up 517.5%

Manchester – 82,218 up 244%

East Midlands – 78 up 32.2%


12m rolling end 30.04.21

Stansted – 3,140,402 down 87.2%

Manchester – 2,899,742 down 88.8%

East Midlands – 413,340 down 89.9%


April 2021 Cargo

East Midlands – 40,439 up 48.8%

Stansted – 23,519 up 26.0%

Manchester – 3,830 up 288.2%

About the Ryanair winter schedule. The plan for EMA this winter just gone was to operate a part-time base between Friday and Monday only, but with the full lockdown even that didn't happen.

The same still applies for what's currently available till Jan'22 (if you look at the few flights available Tuesday to Thursday over the winter they're all non-based aircraft). I suspect this is only ever a temporary situation with reduced demand/crewing, so I'd imagine this is being reviewed for Jan'22 onwards, hence no flights currently available to book beyond then.

https://www.aircargonews.net/airline...2NwLfIJhGCceoQ

Seems like DHL are basing some extra 767s & U.K. registered 777f’s for 2022 operating to America & Asia

Only because they cannot fly within Europe anymore (thank you brexit) while the americans still happily do their europe stint :ugh:

That's as maybe, and I do echo your frustrations, however in this case, unless I've been dragged in by the marketing spin, it would appear to be a case of the ill wind being good for EMA and its cargo operation, so perhaps as the saying goes, every cloud has a silver lining. Perhaps I may make so bold as to suggest this must be an example of that somewhat illusive beast, a benefit of Brexit - for EMA if not for DHL!

Change of focus with the intra-european B752F being switched out of EMA.

Big picture on this. No one loses their job. The same ac fly the same routes using the same pilots although it gets split between Europe short haul and EMA long haul. More ac (jobs) come to the uk airline. Whether it’s a benefit of Brexit or just an inevitable result remains to be seen.

DHL have added what I believe a daily Miami flight using a company 767-300

EasyJet
 

New route to BFS starting 9 July, 4x weekly until end of October.

This will be the first time EZY have operated passenger services from EMA in more than 11 years.

The newly announced EZY domestic program additions being described as "a last roll of the dice" by The Independent to utilize at least part of their remaining UK fleet.

DHL are going to be using 2 TUI 787-9 aircraft out of East Midlands starting this week on the Miami route Tuesdays Wednesdays and Thursdays departing 01:50/04:20 and arriving 21:10/02:20

Thats good. These newish birds belong in the air, pax or not. They belong in the Florida sun!

It must be a very busy route for DHL as I have seen information from Tui flightdeck crew that have been allocated these routes to advise that they can only bring small carry on bag due to weight restrictions which is a bit problematic with the 100ml liquid ban in UK and also needs clothes for night out in Miami

737James. No idea where that info will have come from - we’ve never had a weight limit on luggage on our long haul routes. Neither has the 100ml thing been an issue as our luggage goes in the hold. My guess is that after the first couple of crews have been all will become much clearer.

It will be a baggage handling issue. Large suitcases need to be checked in, screened and must be placed in the hold. If this isn’t possible crew must take their own bags onboard and get them through security. Some crew channels can’t process large suitcases. It won’t be an issue weight wise providing the crew can carry it themselves.

All true, so this will depend on how the crews go to the ac. Freight crews at EMA don’t go through the pax terminal but via separate security access points. After screening, luggage goes in the back of secure vans with no ability to access them so that they can then go to the ac hold. I have no idea what method the tui crews will use.

And a fine looking machine as it pushed back next to us. Welcome to pure freight Tui peeps. No cabin crew, no pax, make your own coffee!

Theyve been running pure freight for months now, I'll bet the drivers have even mastered brewing up for themselves by now:E

Crew luggage on TUI flights usually goes in Hold 5 of the 787 (rear left) but we have been advised that Hold 5 will also have freight in it (non palletised) so there is nowhere for checked bags to go. That is why we have to take a small bag with enough for 1 night out and all liquids less than 100ml. All very possible.
Still working out how to heat the meals using the ovens!

Ah. Good luck with the luggage - sounds crazy on an ac that big! Switch oven on, put food in, take out, eat.