G-TUOD MAX 8 TOM950P on delivery into MAN this morning

Does anyone know why new deliveries come into MAN rather than LTN, where I'd assume they'd do the changes required to bring it into service?

I don't think any of the Max's have ever been delivered to LTN, they all seem to go to MAN and LGW these days, maybe because there are no Max's based at LTN?

Eis mods always been considered line capable so go to the larger line stations. LTN hangar is either packed out in winter or minimal staff in summer. Some have gone to BRU in the past aswell.

TUI Engineering at Luton do work on the Max but the hangers will be fully booked out during the winter with pre-planned work.
Making a hole for a will it / will it not be delivered on xx day does not bare up the hassle. The flightline crews at larger bases, as it has been stated, are more than capable.
Additionally parking at Luton is always an issue as Biz Jets regularly overflow from FBO areas onto normal airliner stands. Currently the new 77-79 stands are being used by Harrods FBO as overflow. Wizzair UK are also doing more of their own Engineering at Luton which takes up stands close to the TUI hangers.

I assume if TUI use hangers, their aircraft will be above all the other ones on the ground outside the hangArs.

Me

G-OBYF TOM932P returning to MAN 22/12 from SAW after end of lease maintenance

any idea why it’s coming back to MAN?

none of the other off lease stuff returned for storage so seems odd

Any idea if or when the older 788s will receive a refurb?

Not just the 788's, I recently flew in G-TUIJ, a 7 year old 789 and the top of the wings looked like a patchwork quilt of peeled and patched paintwork.

TUI Ireland
 

[QUOTE=gonetech;11556761]G-TUOD MAX 8 TOM950P on delivery into MAN this morning[/QUOT]

Hey everyone
just wondering if anyone has any information on TUI irelands operations ?
there’s very little information about it online.

Does anyone know if they plan on any new routes or if it’s successful
Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Tui fly;11565190]TUI Ireland isn’t an airline - the flights are all operated by TUI Airways (UK) as far as I’m aware.

TUI is quickly becoming very uncompetitive. Both long haul and short haul you can find a better air product and comparable hotel product from competitors (and quite often at a lower price).

Price aside (which is often not the case), there is no incentive to book TUI short haul and the old one for long haul (flying from regional airports) is fast disappearing.

TUI is a company that has been ran into the ground. Even the share price has taken a nose dive.

Where do you see the competition for TUI on long haul regional flying?

Good point,
as it stands today, apart from mainstream LON and MAN departures with BA Holidays and Virgin Holidays who both use their own in-house Scheduled flights, there is basically no one else apart from TUI, to book long-haul for a land based Package Holiday from a Regional, or you have to book as a ''do-it-yourself''.

There is simply no UK based long haul charter airlines/capacity left anymore, as well seen and publicly critiqued in the Travel Industry Press/Social Media in P&O Fly-Cruises Maleth Aero contract decision for LGW/MAN to BGI and ANU for their large number of winter cruise ships flights.

Jet2 Holidays may just one day, enter the Long-Haul holiday market but its fraught with difficulty; the $ USD exchange rate being one, and the volatile destinations worldwide where an attempt to plan a charter series and book accommodation contracts makes it all a huge risk which Jet2 have clearly, and wisely steered well clear of to date.

As for ''UK Regional'' Long Haul package holidayswhich is the subject of this post then Jet2 would have to think carefully -
They could do well at BRS BHX BFS and NCL in the wake of TUI reducing their own programmes, but it's always Seasonal (winter usually), and you're always faced with expensive operational costs with Crewing, Positioning flights, possible split loads, and fuel tech stops needed enroute to destination, and so on.

Also we have destination fatigue, or destination problems...
These below were all once the ''darlings'' of the charter package industrybut for whatever reason they no longer feasible, or have limited attraction.
Cuba (hotel standards and risk)
Orlando (USA is so expensive today: hotels, eating out, car hire; and although Disney etc is still attractive, the cost of a family holiday today is eye watering)
Mombasa (too risky but the Italians still go there, and they also go to ZNZ Zanzibar along with the Germans, but the Brits do not go)
Goa (fell out of favour as a winter charter package destination)
Grenada Tobago (legacy airline competition)
Maldives (accommodation too expensive for package charters and legacy airline competition)
Phuket (still massive with the Swedes and Germans, but still TUI flies in the Brits)
Gambia (still some BJL charters but not like before)
Egypt (much of is too risky)

We lament long gone Excel/XL, Monarch, and Thomas Cook but long haul did not save them.
If they were still around today then things maybe different?

Our European friends still seem to do well, Condor, Neos, Edelweiss and Sunclass all have big long-haul holiday markets but it is all Seasonal, mostly flown in the winter, so what do you do with your big wide bodies in the summer >? you use them on your peak short hauls, such as PMI HER RHO DLM AYT TFS, or to the USA and Canada.

the other issue with long haul package holidays, in the UK are tour operators/travel agents such as blue bay travel, hays Jarvis etc. 9 times out of 10 a long haul package holiday to the Caribbean or far east Asia is considered ‘exclusive’, and these tour operators can book you on BA/VS going west or via the ME3 going east. People who are paying £8k plus on a holiday are going to expect a good onboard product. Would someone who’s paid let’s say £15k to go to Barbados for two weeks and is from the north east, really be fussed about jumping on the Heathrow shuttle and flying BA vs flying TUI at less frequency and not as good product (particularly premium wise). Same for anywhere in Scotland or MAN.

That means for TUI, and Jet2 if they were to ever enter this market they are relying on loyal customers, which TUI decimated due to awful fleet planning during the aftermath of COVID, and Jet2 do have but they are only known for typical European sun and city destinations. Alternatively they are relying on the price sensitive customers who it’s maybe a stretch for them to go let’s say to cancun or the Dominican instead of the canaries one year so they want the best deal possible, so you’re scraping around for the low returns. And the only way to make lower returns work is higher volume, which neither TUI or Jet2 can or should want to offer.

There are quite a lot of long-haul charter destinations served by European airlines that don’t see UK service. Anyone know Nosy Be in Madagascar or Salalah in Oman?! More still when you add in Central/South American and Caribbean places the Canadians go to like Huatulco in Mexico, Rio Hato in Panama.

There are certainly opportunities for long-haul with standards clearly acceptable that lack competition from BA/VS or those from the Middle East. I suspect part of this not being exploited or at least tried is the conservative psyche of the British package customer (perhaps also older Britains more generally) who aren’t comfortable exploring places ‘off the beaten track’. For this there is evidence, for example Thomas Cook (?) tried Sanya in China and that didn’t last long. Tui’s own routes to Langkawi (Malaysia) and Pho Quoc (Vietnam) didn’t return.

Regional I suspect is harder to make work because the market for package has shrunk and one-stop options are available with KL/EK etc.

Good points above in the previous 2 posts thanks.

Whilst not to distract from the TUI thread here it must be said that Hayes & Jarvis, Red Sea Holidays, Kuoni and Jules Verne all took a lot of seats on UK charter flights to the likes of Goa, Egypt, Maldives, Colombo, Mombasa and that work is all gone.
Caledonian, Monarch and others did well on the GND and TAB flights.

As for more exotic destinations it has to be said that the old ex-Colonial spots in the Indian Ocean, Africa, Indo China, and The Caribbean etc still attract the French, Dutch and Spanish charter airlines which the UK does not market.

I thought most of TUI's regional long haul was during the summer?

Seems TUI are doing very well on cruise market although do feel single destination trips are declining. A fair few travel companies offer private transfers to the airport in the price making local departures less necessary. in addition quite a few do offer long haul from regional airports using European hubs KLM Iberia AF etc