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Downwind_Left 24th Apr 2022 19:22


Originally Posted by The Flying Stool (Post 11220355)
Thats what Jet2 do and Thomas Cook also based an aircraft in the Canaries over the winter in particular. This is also largely to mitigate delays so the airline is not liable for EU261 claims.

In the case of Jet2 and TCX, crews are positioned there from other bases and spend several days there before other crews replave them.

Iíd be surprised if the crews position out, or back generallyÖ would be an expensive optionÖ needs double the number of hotel rooms when the aircraft lands in TFS. And double the number on the last day of duty position home as 2 crews overlap, plus you lose the revenue seats to sell on 2 flights, as well as having 2 crews massively overlap duty. Far more efficient to swap crews at a convenient point when the aircraft is on the ground in the UK. Inbound crew gets offÖ fresh crew gets on for the flight south.

LBAflyer22 24th Apr 2022 20:42


Originally Posted by Downwind_Left (Post 11220377)
I’d be surprised if the crews position out, or back generally… would be an expensive option… needs double the number of hotel rooms when the aircraft lands in TFS. And double the number on the last day of duty position home as 2 crews overlap, plus you lose the revenue seats to sell on 2 flights, as well as having 2 crews massively overlap duty. Far more efficient to swap crews at a convenient point when the aircraft is on the ground in the UK. Inbound crew gets off… fresh crew gets on for the flight south.

Alas your wrong. Crew position both ways. I don't get your math regards number of hotel rooms - simple put the crew go on one flight out, stay let's say 5 nights, on the 6th day they fly back after their standby duty. The new crew fly out on the 6th day ready for duty on the 7th day with another 5 day stay. I'm not sure how Jet2 work it I'm sure someone in the know will know.

TUI do have an aircraft in TFS which operates revenue flights for them. Surely having 2 aircraft, 1 standby to cover Canaries and Cape Verde, will be better for everyone. I don't think TUI do standby aircraft do they?

Danny G 25th Apr 2022 12:37


Originally Posted by P330 (Post 11220024)
I see the 787s routinely heading down to Cape Verde now and not specific 787s, rather any, including ones that would have done long haul the day before.

Do TUI still take out the premium seats before flights to the Canaries and Cape Verde? If so, is this a big job?

There used to be 2 787s fitted out in economy configuration for the summer season then back to long haul for summer. It always seemed to be TUIC and TUID. At the moment both are still on long haul maybe that will change soon.

Downwind_Left 25th Apr 2022 15:43


Originally Posted by LBAflyer22 (Post 11220406)
Alas your wrong. Crew position both ways. I don't get your math regards number of hotel rooms - simple put the crew go on one flight out, stay let's say 5 nights, on the 6th day they fly back after their standby duty. The new crew fly out on the 6th day ready for duty on the 7th day with another 5 day stay. I'm not sure how Jet2 work it I'm sure someone in the know will know.

TUI do have an aircraft in TFS which operates revenue flights for them. Surely having 2 aircraft, 1 standby to cover Canaries and Cape Verde, will be better for everyone. I don't think TUI do standby aircraft do they?

In your example on the 6th day the crew flying home can't operate a TFS-UK-TFS duty, and then position home, it's a 4 hour flight back after a 10 hour plus duty... would be an insanely long day. The company would run up against duty of care issues and BALPA would never allow it. In my company crews operating any duty over 14 hours are entitled to a hotel at base after landing, as there are safety (and company liability) concerns about driving home after being at work for that long. On the same day the crew flying down to TFS wouldn't have duty to operate much after a 4 hour positioning flight, for the same reason.

So in that example the aircraft is effectively grounded every week on the day the crews swap over. If that's how TUI do it, then it works for them. Or to fly the aircraft every day with positioning crew, on the changeover day you need 2 sets of hotel rooms, 2 sets of crew, and 2 seats of seats that can't be sold every time a crew positions out/back.

But I'd assumed they'd want to utilize the aircraft every day, hence why I thought the company would have taken the operationally simpler approach of just swapping out crew at a UK airport. No FDP issues... single sector for each crew plus ground transport, no seats left unsold for crew, no crossover of hotel rooms, full coverage to fly aircraft every day.


manchesterflyer2 25th Apr 2022 23:04

I am crew for TUI, the TFS slips are crewed mainly using crew from the regional bases and mostly work with the crew swapping at UK bases.
Crew generally do 1 night at a time in TFS. Occasionally may be a 2 night trip eg UK - TFS (night stop) TFS - UK - TFS (night stop) TFS - UK but this is uncommon.

davidjpowell 26th Apr 2022 00:49

Impressed with Tui.

due to a giant cock up with covid paperwork my wife was left behind on Sunday while I and my daughter flew to Florida. We knew about the issue on Saturday but there was no way to resolve it over the weekend. Tui agreed to not count her as a no-show and not cancel the return ticket.

We resolved the paperwork issue this morning (Monday) and Tui have got her on Tuesdays flight for a very reasonable £155.

I donít think think many scheduled carriers would be so accommodating.


TimmyW 26th Apr 2022 08:06


Originally Posted by davidjpowell (Post 11220985)
Impressed with Tui.

due to a giant cock up with covid paperwork my wife was left behind on Sunday while I and my daughter flew to Florida. We knew about the issue on Saturday but there was no way to resolve it over the weekend. Tui agreed to not count her as a no-show and not cancel the return ticket.

We resolved the paperwork issue this morning (Monday) and Tui have got her on Tuesdays flight for a very reasonable £155.

I donít think think many scheduled carriers would be so accommodating.

That's refreshing to hear these days.

sjh1984 26th Apr 2022 08:53

Long time lurker, first time posterÖ :)

Travelling on BY5434 LGW-FAO on 05/05/22, which had already been swapped from a TUI 737 to one of the leased Titan A320 planes, but just got another email this morning to say itís been swapped again to a Avion Express Malta bird, presumably another A320 (already checked in so canít see the seat map any more).

Seems to be some hot-potato action going on with the assigned metal.. :)

NickBarnes 26th Apr 2022 10:57

Hi guys, sorry if this is in the wrong area of the forum, does anyone know when the 4 Sunwing aircraft are heading over to their 4 respective bases for the summer season? I am assuming possibly Saturday the 30th?

Thanks and again apologies if its wrongly posted

azz767 26th Apr 2022 12:29


Originally Posted by NickBarnes (Post 11221108)
Hi guys, sorry if this is in the wrong area of the forum, does anyone know when the 4 Sunwing aircraft are heading over to their 4 respective bases for the summer season? I am assuming possibly Saturday the 30th?

Thanks and again apologies if its wrongly posted


https://jethroseu.co.uk/fleets/fleet...ui_airways.htm all listed here

SALENO 26th Apr 2022 12:45


Originally Posted by SALENO (Post 11212950)
Interesting one and defo says A321 and seating plan looks like at least one of Smartlynx from their own website. Only appeared end of last week and surprised me somewhat, but this is the 3rd aircraft type we have been allocated so far with still 6 weeks to go! My brother is also flying from LGW at the same time and they have just had their return changed from B787 to Titan A321.

Only just received today formal notification of change of aircraft for our inbound to Smartlynx A321. Fortunately pickled it up several weeks ago and was able to sort seats out again. Email stated will be operated with TUI cabin crew.

NickBarnes 26th Apr 2022 12:50


Originally Posted by azz767 (Post 11221132)

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ZenAutomaton 26th Apr 2022 23:17


Originally Posted by Matt995 (Post 11220019)
Yep, its appears to be a one off flight from BHX on the 20 May, outbound TOM7548 & inbound TOM7549 is showing as a B763. The Manchester Friday timetable shows 2 B763 are not need until May 27th, so for some reason they have decided to put the 763 on this flight, maybe due to passenger demand or 788 maintenance?? Early May flights will often see different aircraft types/flight times, whilst they get the whole fleet back in service or wait for the leased in aircraft to arrive!

Wow lucky me. Dropped on there then. Looking forward to an otherwise pretty unlikely trip on the 763. This is surely their last summer.

P330 27th Apr 2022 06:28

I read somewhere, maybe here, that the 767s will go in 2024. I can see them in the schedules until at least Easter next year.

JKKne 28th Apr 2022 23:30

I’ve got quite a few flights out to see family in Mallorca from NCL through tui and they are all flyAlbastar versus TUI. Not sure if it’s a lease or just covering capacity out of ncl.

Was fairly common to see spanair, future and aireuropa cover Palma flights in a past life in the days of Portland Holidays, Thomson et al

rog747 29th Apr 2022 06:13

Albastar
 
Albastar are flying for an increasing number of TUI Airways Palma flights this summer - BOH EXT INV EMA MME and NCL as you mention.
They fly 737-800's.

Air Europa are also doing some Palma's for TUI - I think from Scottish airports.

NickBarnes 29th Apr 2022 08:13


Originally Posted by rog747 (Post 11222571)
Albastar are flying for an increasing number of TUI Airways Palma flights this summer - BOH EXT INV EMA MME and NCL as you mention.
They fly 737-800's.

Air Europa are also doing some Palma's for TUI - I think from Scottish airports.

And NWI on Fridays too

VickersVicount 29th Apr 2022 14:45


Originally Posted by JKKne (Post 11222452)
Iíve got quite a few flights out to see family in Mallorca from NCL through tui and they are all flyAlbastar versus TUI. Not sure if itís a lease or just covering capacity out of ncl.

Was fairly common to see spanair, future and aireuropa cover Palma flights in a past life in the days of Portland Holidays, Thomson et al

The heady days. Sometimes there were 3 AE, and 3 Viva air Fri Night flights from GLA alone.

LiamNCL 29th Apr 2022 20:45

The NCL PMI Albastar flight is the Thursday flight its a W pattern it used to be the Aberdeen Sunwing aircraft.

Matt995 29th Apr 2022 21:40

Summer Aircraft Movements
 
a few aircraft movements for TUI getting ready for the summer schedule:-

G-TUMM 44654/8243 B737-8 Max due to be delivered to LGW tomorrow

G-TUMN 44655/8216 B737-8 Max delivered to LGW yesterday

G-TUKP 37250/4345 B737-8K5 delivered to LGW yesterday, ex Sunwing C-FYAU

C-FYJD 41807/5420 B737-8Q8 delivered to ABZ yesterday, on lease from Sunwing

C-GFEH 41608/5346 B737-8GS delivered to NWI today, on lease from Sunwing

ES-SAM 1896 A320-232 due to be delivered to DSA tomorrow, on lease from Smartlynx




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