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Asturias56 13th Jan 2024 08:56

my immediate thought was another 7000 possible complainants about aircraft noise!

willy wombat 13th Jan 2024 09:49


Originally Posted by inOban (Post 11575239)
For anyone not familiar with the area, the line which bisects the site is the tram which will get an extra stop. The existing P&R stop is in the bottom right of the picture and the runway is the old one which is disused.

thanks for the orientation. I can see what I assume is Arthur’s Seat but I wasn’t quite sure where the planned development was. I don’t see that as being particularly affected by airport flyover noise but it’s amazing how far the sideline noise, take off and reverse thrust, travels at night.

SWBKCB 13th Jan 2024 09:55

You can see part of the old GA area bottom left in the illustration below.

If you look at this link, I think the development is basically under the table bottom right - anything taxying to the 300 stands etc will be very close.

https://nats-uk.ead-it.com/cms-nats/...ics/321387.pdf

ericlday 13th Jan 2024 10:17


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11575243)
my immediate thought was another 7000 possible complainants about aircraft noise!

The Airport was there when they purchase their new residences so they must know what to expect......

ATNotts 13th Jan 2024 10:28


Originally Posted by ericlday (Post 11575300)
The Airport was there when they purchase their new residences so they must know what to expect......

Has that ever stopped a 'retrospective NIMBY'?

Asturias56 13th Jan 2024 10:39


Originally Posted by ericlday (Post 11575300)
The Airport was there when they purchase their new residences so they must know what to expect......

As Notts says that's never stopped anyone - and of course it really reduces the amount of space available for any airport expansion

edi_local 13th Jan 2024 17:47


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11575315)
As Notts says that's never stopped anyone - and of course it really reduces the amount of space available for any airport expansion

This is my main concern. EDI is already a very busy airport for its size and clearly needs expanding both ramp and terminal-wise...yet the people in charge seem happy to sell vast swathes of land and cram it in even more.

I do wish the Highland showground had relocated to this area instead of houses, it would have been ideal, with new roads being built to serve both facilities, as well as a dedicated tram stop for the RHSG, freeing up a huge area for the airport to make use of in the future and creating a modern venue for the Highland Show. Sadly it has not worked out this way and with even more houses now also being built on the other side of Glasgow Road, there is simply nowhere left in the area.

Planeraz 13th Jan 2024 19:34


Originally Posted by edi_local (Post 11575532)
This is my main concern. EDI is already a very busy airport for its size and clearly needs expanding both ramp and terminal-wise...yet the people in charge seem happy to sell vast swathes of land and cram it in even more.

I do wish the Highland showground had relocated to this area instead of houses, it would have been ideal, with new roads being built to serve both facilities, as well as a dedicated tram stop for the RHSG, freeing up a huge area for the airport to make use of in the future and creating a modern venue for the Highland Show. Sadly it has not worked out this way and with even more houses now also being built on the other side of Glasgow Road, there is simply nowhere left in the area.

With what appears to be a done deal, subject to all the normal pre contract stuff, GIP, according to various reports will retain day to day control and management of the airport. Blackrock (the owner) will be responsible for any significant expenditure decisions and expansion. Regarding the possible limitations and remaining ground for any terminal expansion, presumably, BR could attempt to negotiate a deal to purchase RHS land. This would open up a large amount of estate to build on. The other option, which I’ve heard a few people from within EDI mention when using the airport each week is adding air bridges to the existing pier. This could create at least four more wide body capable stands. Adding air bridges should be simple. The likelihood is another floor or level to the terminal would be required to channel pax from arriving int flights. The creation of previously reported gate rooms would also be easy to create on the pier.

tartan 201 13th Jan 2024 20:05


Originally Posted by Planeraz (Post 11575584)
With what appears to be a done deal, subject to all the normal pre contract stuff, GIP, according to various reports will retain day to day control and management of the airport. Blackrock (the owner) will be responsible for any significant expenditure decisions and expansion.

Does the above mean that GIP are no longer selling EDI as a standalone asset?

Planeraz 13th Jan 2024 20:56


Originally Posted by tartan 201 (Post 11575601)
Does the above mean that GIP are no longer selling EDI as a standalone asset?

This is what I interpret, having read a few reports. I assume Blackrock as the owner in waiting of GIP could if they wanted to sell the asset (EDI) at some point.

VickersVicount 13th Jan 2024 21:18


Originally Posted by Planeraz (Post 11575584)
GIP, according to various reports will retain day to day control and management of the airport.

What reports are these, for us all to read.

inOban 13th Jan 2024 23:15

My interpretation is that the team who created GIP are taking over the operation of all Blackrock's infrastructure assets. A lot of Blackrock's money comes from pension funds who are just about the only source of long-term funding and also require a steady income stream to pay pensions when the holders retire which is why so many of them have invested in our regulated industries. This may turn out good for EDI and LGW

A350Saltire 15th Jan 2024 19:19

https://www.scottishfinancialnews.co...r-ps943bn-deal

A few reports out now on the takeover of GIP by BlackRock.

Breathe 17th Jan 2024 13:03


Originally Posted by inOban (Post 11575680)
My interpretation is that the team who created GIP are taking over the operation of all Blackstone's infrastructure assets. A lot of Blackstone's money comes from pension funds who are just about the only source of long-term funding and also require a steady income stream to pay pensions when the holders retire which is why so many of them have invested in our regulated industries. This may turn out good for EDI and LGW

I assume you meant BlackRock and not Blackstone?

inOban 17th Jan 2024 13:20

corrected thanks

Donkey497 18th Jan 2024 14:07

So how did we all miss this?
Passenger dies after fall at EDI

VickersVicount 18th Jan 2024 16:53


Originally Posted by inOban (Post 11577903)
corrected thanks

Lets hope its nothing like GreyBull…

4eyed anorak 19th Jan 2024 09:06

https://www.ch-aviation.com/news/136...ps-in-mid-3q23

Looks like EDI will be seeing the new KLM 321 in October this year.

tartan 201 20th Jan 2024 13:57


Originally Posted by Flightrider (Post 11467987)
Interesting numbers. The only point to make is that you can still lose money flying at 100% load factors if the yields are on the floor. I was led to believe that at least one of the above routes is not in a good place for that very reason.


Originally Posted by Flightrider (Post 11468023)
I agree. It will be interesting. I suspect two routes from the above list won't be here next summer, but we'll simply have to wait and see.


Originally Posted by Flightrider (Post 11480873)
With one existing TATL link being described as a low-yield basketcase by those working for the airline in question and another related operation not exactly achieving loadfactors becoming of the size of the aircraft deployed, it will be fascinating to see whether capacity increases or declines next year, regardless of the airport's ability to cope with it.

The posts above were made in July and August 2023 and relate to the services between EDI and the US that operated then (UA to EWR*2/IAD/ORD, DL to ATL/BOS/JFK and VS to MCO). All of these services are on sale for S24 and all start within the next two to four months.

Current schedules show IAD starting six weeks earlier than it did in S23, ATL finishing four weeks later and MCO starting two and a half months earlier. All will operate with aircraft of the same size as operated in S23, except IAD, where the S24 schedule shows 757s but 764s operated some flights in S23 (the 764s were a relatively late addition then, so it’s possible that they could also operate in S24).

Would it be reasonable therefore to conclude now that the two routes over which the doubts quoted above were expressed can indeed be expected to operate in S24 (barring some force majeure type event)? If so, why might they have been given a reprieve?

Donkey497 21st Jan 2024 20:24

.... and we've missed other EDI news, not as bad as someone actually dying as a result of transiting via EDI, but a flight cancelled and the captain appearing in court tomorrow morning on an offensive weapons / firearms charge is reasonably notable.

Reports of United captain detained at EDI Security over taser - flight cancelled

We need to up our game and change focus away from speculation on routes or ownership.


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