Re: Irishshamrock
Is this how they’re proposing to get around the airport operational hours?
I would be surprised if they do AMS-SOU due lack of available slots. Is the airport that stupid to allow them to compete against KLM:ugh: |
Originally Posted by Irishshamrock
(Post 11639578)
I’m hearing a 3 aircraft base from March/April 2025 is on the cards. Mutterings in the crew room.
It apparently includes night stopping for the SOU based crew at AMS, MAN and BCN. There wouldn’t be overnighting aircraft in SOU. On the other hand hopefully these "mutterings" you have come across have some form of truth behind them. Obviously if true it would absolutely fantastic news for SOU. But with AMS well covered by KLM from SOU, I would prefer them not to compete on the route. BCN would be a very welcome return to SOU. Hopefully MAN will be served as it's the missing link in domestic routes from SOU. But we know what "crew rooms" are like. So until anything comes from these "mutterings," I'll remain silent on the matter. |
Well Well Well, the 'infamous' LTNman was visiting SOU today and he never gave anyone on here a heads up. Shame as we could have all had the opportunity to have met you in person. The "real life" LTNman in person, a lost opportunity for sure.
But on behalf of myself and others on here we're pleased that you enjoyed the wonderful experience of Southampton Airport. But don't use too much of that well earned pension of yours on expensive train journeys :) |
Can we assume this basing rumour is easyJet as an airline has not been mentioned?
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Originally Posted by Irishshamrock
(Post 11639578)
I’m hearing a 3 aircraft base from March/April 2025 is on the cards. Mutterings in the crew room.
It apparently includes night stopping for the SOU based crew at AMS, MAN and BCN. There wouldn’t be overnighting aircraft in SOU. |
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 11639655)
Do easyJet have any other bases with no night stopping aircraft? Any AMS/BCN aircraft would surely be operated by EJU (Austrian AOC) and not EZY (UK AOC)? Isn't that bending the post Brexit rules as UK crews can't cross fleet the Austrian AOC?
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Originally Posted by Irishshamrock
(Post 11639578)
I’m hearing a 3 aircraft base from March/April 2025 is on the cards. Mutterings in the crew room.
It apparently includes night stopping for the SOU based crew at AMS, MAN and BCN. There wouldn’t be overnighting aircraft in SOU. As for the comment about the airport "allowing" Easy to compete against KLM, it's not the airport's decision. |
Indeed if this was EasyJet and this were to happen it makes little sense. You'd surely instead operate W patterns using AMS crew, say AMS-SOU-IBZ-SOU-AMS, in order to serve other non-base airports. Then you'd operate ALC, PMI etc. inbound from those bases as they do now, albeit maybe on higher frequency.
The added flexibility though with overnighting SOU crew in say AMS is you can then dedicate that aircraft to SOU for the entire day and make an afternoon crew change in SOU, which you wouldn't be able to do on a W pattern. That said you've then got an additional aircraft parked overnight in say AMS, or MAN that isn't then serving those airports any additional capacity during the day, which is little incentive to them. |
Great photos LTNman,
glad you had a good sunny day and captured shots of the Terminal, and the Enter Air! Enter Air have been doing stuff for both the MoD and HM Govt. They have been flying out of EXT weekly to Tirana to return failed asylum seekers. Not sure what it was doing at SOU though - It had flown OST- BRU for Brize via SOU. It then flew Brize back to CDG as a 'P' flight, and is now off to sunny Chania today. Yes, the SOU airport is a dream to arrive at by Train or park your Car, toddle across the road and check in without fuss and get away PDQ. I love using the airport as much as I can. This weekend re ''slow trains'', SWR had alot of engineering work that closed the line west of SOU and RRB (buses) ran for Bomo, Poole, Dorch, and Weymouth. That meant trains into SOU were not running that 'fast' on the Mainline. Yes, train fares are hiked for both SOU stations (Commuter route) and thus to/from London it's not easy to find cheaper tickets. If you have a Railcard then the fares are less 35%, plus it is worth using the 'Split Ticket' websites and you can often save a chunk there. Re the said rumour about a 3 aircraft Base at SOU for S25 (AMS, BCN, MAN?) but how can you have a Base with no aircraft ''Based there''. You can have a Crew Base I suppose... As AMS is well served by KLM, then having another AMS-SOU is a puzzling one, but if the airline (we assume it is EZY?) wants to fly the route then that would tie in nicely doing a W pattern, AMS-SOU-BCN-(or to MAN)-SOU-AMS but that would most likely give you crap times for one of the routes. So who (what type of Passenger) would EZY be aiming at? You can IIRC, see those sort of W's at SEN Southend with EZY this summer which have no EZY aircraft based there. SEN's EZY routes are: Alicante Amsterdam Paris–Charles de Gaulle Seasonal to: In Summer: Faro Málaga Palma de Mallorca In Winter: Geneva Grenoble Balkan Holidays BH Air have a new charter SEN-Burgas (begins 17 June 2024) Rumour is the new KM Malta airlines may restart the SEN-Malta flights. |
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 11639655)
Do easyJet have any other bases with no night stopping aircraft? Any AMS/BCN aircraft would surely be operated by EJU (Austrian AOC) and not EZY (UK AOC)? Isn't that bending the post Brexit rules as UK crews can't cross fleet the Austrian AOC?
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 11639655)
Do easyJet have any other bases with no night stopping aircraft? Any AMS/BCN aircraft would surely be operated by EJU (Austrian AOC) and not EZY (UK AOC)? Isn't that bending the post Brexit rules as UK crews can't cross fleet the Austrian AOC?
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Newcastle has had no EZY based crew since they closed the 3 aircraft base during Covid, likewise BHX had no crew base before they opened the 3 aircraft base recently. In both cases these airports are a dot on the map (ie not a base) with aircraft and crew based elsewhere and no night stopping crew whatsoever. What's been discussed regarding SOU isn't remotely similar.
They can of course simply operate incoming aircraft on EJU from their EU bases into the UK as is common practice. |
There was a poster on the airport FB group a few weeks ago suggesting that an easyjet base was to be announced and they had heard this from crew at LGW who were being transferred down to SOU, we shall see!
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So a few sources seem to be corroborating this rumour.
If this is indeed true it would be fantastic news for the region. Three fully utilised SOU based aircraft could be around 2m passengers a year which catapults the airport into major regional status if this was to come to pass. In additional to what the airport is currently doing that could mean a 2.5m - 2.7m passenger throughput in the 2026 calendar year. Will airport infrastructure cope with that? Car-parking will need expanding and surely they will need to make some fast improvement to the capacity of the departure lounge. In Flybe days it was constant but only 78 max seats per departure whereas with this scenario it’s potentially bunched departures with 186 * 3 (or more) departures at once. |
I'll bite. So if this rumour does become a reality, what routes could we see? I take it BA Cityflyer would be long gone by next year? Is this just a wild rumour because LS have announced something very well in advance from BOH?
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If they keep the routes to 3 hour range or less, that should narrow the focus.
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
(Post 11639488)
Regarding the Enter Air Boeing 737-800 that arrived at SOU today.
It arrived from Brussels, and after a couple of hours on the ground, it later departed for Brize Norton. Does anyone have any other information regarding these flights? This morning, Saturday, 20 April 2024, there was an EasyJet A319, EasyJet A320 plus the Enter Air Boeing 737-800 on the ground at the same time. Hopefully someone took a photo of that. |
Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
(Post 11639910)
So a few sources seem to be corroborating this rumour.
If this is indeed true it would be fantastic news for the region. Three fully utilised SOU based aircraft could be around 2m passengers a year which catapults the airport into major regional status if this was to come to pass. In additional to what the airport is currently doing that could mean a 2.5m - 2.7m passenger throughput in the 2026 calendar year. Will airport infrastructure cope with that? Car-parking will need expanding and surely they will need to make some fast improvement to the capacity of the departure lounge. In Flybe days it was constant but only 78 max seats per departure whereas with this scenario it’s potentially bunched departures with 186 * 3 (or more) departures at once. |
Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
(Post 11640016)
I think you need to do your maths again. Good news if true, but calm down, calm down.
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Originally Posted by SKOJB
(Post 11640020)
3 aircraft base with say 15 routes would equate to more like 500k approx.
But you have to factor in it is unlikely all 3 aircraft will be fully utilised throughout the entire winter (or even the summer). Then there are the inevitable cancellations, diversions etc. So in my view, 850k would be pretty damn good. |
Oh dear :D I realise the error I made - 1m passengers indeed, not 2m
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
(Post 11640045)
Oh dear :D I realise the error I made - 1m passengers indeed, not 2m
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
(Post 11640052)
Still one almighty boost.
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" Three fully utilised SOU based aircraft could be around 2m passengers a year which catapults the airport into major regional status if this was to come to pass."
the trick is the phrase "fully utilised" - that's a very big step up in available seats. |
Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11640067)
" Three fully utilised SOU based aircraft could be around 2m passengers a year which catapults the airport into major regional status if this was to come to pass."
the trick is the phrase "fully utilised" - that's a very big step up in available seats. |
Originally Posted by ShedDriver
(Post 11640002)
Search for airside ops manager Jeremy Edmunds on LinkedIn, he's posted three great pictures of the aircraft lined up. Unfortunately I can't post them here yet due to insufficient posts.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6b7623ad8.jpeg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bb13e7069.jpeg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f2c5d7fc2.jpeg Excellent photos, gives a great impression of what the future may look like at SOU. |
Originally Posted by Sotonsean
(Post 11640111)
Thanks for the reply and the link, much appreciated.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6b7623ad8.jpeg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bb13e7069.jpeg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f2c5d7fc2.jpeg Excellent photos, gives a great impression of what the future may look like at SOU. |
Originally Posted by SKOJB
(Post 11639894)
There was a poster on the airport FB group a few weeks ago suggesting that an easyjet base was to be announced and they had heard this from crew at LGW who were being transferred down to SOU, we shall see!
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"maximising aircraft utilisation would surely come from the addition of domestic departures to NCL, EDI and MAN, along with AMS and CDG. The KLM and Loganair services could be significantly
impacted." Agreed - Loganair won't go head to head with EasyJet |
Originally Posted by SKOJB
(Post 11639894)
There was a poster on the airport FB group a few weeks ago suggesting that an easyjet base was to be announced and they had heard this from crew at LGW who were being transferred down to SOU, we shall see!
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While I admire the optimism and enthusiasm of many of the posters, I wouldn’t read anything at all into crew room rumours.
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Or airport puff pieces. What matters is what EZY make this summer. Nothing will be finalised yet for next year.
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Whilst never say never of course to any future basing and that is surely the airports end goal, it’s more likely in the short term that we will see some added easyJet routes for W23/24 (CDG, MAN) and S25 (AGP, BCN, BOD, NCE) as examples from away bases. Would imagine easyJet will build up to around a dozen away based routes just as they did with BHX before potentially committing further. Also wouldn’t be surprised to see EZY GLA go double daily.
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Originally Posted by stewyb
(Post 11640474)
Whilst never say never of course to any future basing and that is surely the airports end goal, it’s more likely in the short term that we will see some added easyJet routes for W23/24 (CDG, MAN) and S25 (AGP, BCN, BOD, NCE) as examples from away bases. Would imagine easyJet will build up to around a dozen away based routes just as they did with BHX before potentially committing further. Also wouldn’t be surprised to see EZY GLA go double daily.
Its critical that SOU management get on the case and promote the airport more. |
Originally Posted by RW20
(Post 11640638)
Stewyb ,No one can knock your optimistic view for the airport ,but Easy need to see the loads for the S24 from SOU (hopefully good) to see if there is a long term future at the airport. With the rapidly expanding BOH operation I'm sure there is room for maneuvering with destinations within SOU operational capabilities.
It’s critical that SOU management get on the case and promote the airport more. |
Originally Posted by stewyb
(Post 11640474)
Also wouldn’t be surprised to see EZY GLA go double daily.
Return seats available per day with various models : Loganair 5 x Daily J31=190 seats 5 x Daily J41=290 seats 3 x Daily ER4=294 seats flybe 4 x Daily Q400 = 624 seats easyJet Only 2 x Daily A319 = 624 seats That's a different world IMHO, if they can do this, it's evidence that the future would be much more easyJet and less Loganair. |
We have heard snippets on here that easyjet GLA is going well with decent loads so a double daily in the future could be an option. The extra daily rotation with a 319 would be the seat equivalent to LM x 3 daily summer timetable
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Originally Posted by SouthernAlliance
(Post 11640684)
We have heard snippets on here that easyjet GLA is going well with decent loads so a double daily in the future could be an option. The extra daily rotation with a 319 would be the seat equivalent to LM x 3 daily summer timetable
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Originally Posted by RW20
(Post 11640638)
Stewyb ,No one can knock your optimistic view for the airport ,but Easy need to see the loads for the S24 from SOU (hopefully good) to see if there is a long term future at the airport. With the rapidly expanding BOH operation I'm sure there is room for maneuvering with destinations within SOU operational capabilities.
It’s critical that SOU management get on the case and promote the airport more. |
Loganair are to terminate Glasgow to Southampton from 10th May according to @SeanM1997
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