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Asturias56 7th Sep 2023 07:25

The problem is that the area south of London is by far the most under-resourced area in the country for new building, houses etc - many of the airports in S England are actually in or immediately adjacent to built up areas under severe development pressure. Lydd is the only real exception. Shoreham & Blackbushe must be a major concern - then Southampton. Bournemouth may last a bit longer. Exeter? who knows......................

stewyb 7th Sep 2023 07:31


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11498496)
The problem is that the area south of London is by far the most under-resourced area in the country for new building, houses etc - many of the airports in S England are actually in or immediately adjacent to built up areas under severe development pressure. Lydd is the only real exception. Shoreham & Blackbushe must be a major concern - then Southampton. Bournemouth may last a bit longer. Exeter? who knows......................

You are on the wrong forum group and instead suggest you post on Construction News, tedious to say the least!

kcockayne 7th Sep 2023 07:57


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11498496)
The problem is that the area south of London is by far the most under-resourced area in the country for new building, houses etc - many of the airports in S England are actually in or immediately adjacent to built up areas under severe development pressure. Lydd is the only real exception. Shoreham & Blackbushe must be a major concern - then Southampton. Bournemouth may last a bit longer. Exeter? who knows......................

You may find this “tedious”; personally, I find it “fair comment”. I can’t see why it would get anyone “hot under the collar”. Given the current concern about aviation generally (& I am an enthusiast), it only feels appropriate that people engage in this sort of speculation or discussion. “General interest” would cover it.

Wycombe 7th Sep 2023 20:56


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11498496)
The problem is that the area south of London is by far the most under-resourced area in the country for new building, houses etc - many of the airports in S England are actually in or immediately adjacent to built up areas under severe development pressure. Lydd is the only real exception. Shoreham & Blackbushe must be a major concern - then Southampton. Bournemouth may last a bit longer. Exeter? who knows......................

I can assure you that there is no such concern at Blackbushe!

Apologies for off-topic response, but couldn't leave what is a very ill/not informed comment.

Asturias56 8th Sep 2023 07:49

It's never the people who fly from an airport/airfield that you have to worry about - it's the financial types who drive by every day and think $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Then they start financial engineering and make offers that no-one can refuse

SWBKCB 12th Sep 2023 15:43

Is there to be an official launch event in September?

davidjohnson6 12th Sep 2023 15:53

Bit difficult to get the average person in So'ton excited about an asphalt strip being extended...

SWBKCB 12th Sep 2023 15:55


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11501623)
Bit difficult to get the average person in So'ton excited about an asphalt strip being extended...

Yes - amazing how people can be so negative. :rolleyes:

davidjohnson6 12th Sep 2023 16:20


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11501625)
Yes - amazing how people can be so negative. :rolleyes:

As the marketing saying goes, you sell the sizzle not the sausage - i.e. you gotta show real tangible benefits to somebody who is neither an airport employee nor somebody with special interest in the runway.
Show new routes appearing, and the average person is interested. Show them a strip of asphalt saying "in ye olden days the asphalt only came up to where I'm standing and everything behind where I'm standing was just grass", and the reaction is likely to be "Meh...".

LTNman 12th Sep 2023 16:24

Never a truer word spoken. Most Southampton residents won’t give a monkey’s and the ones that will be interested will be more concerned about extra noise, as they were the ones that objected.

RW20 12th Sep 2023 20:13


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11501643)
Never a truer word spoken. Most Southampton residents won’t give a monkey’s and the ones that will be interested will be more concerned about extra noise, as they were the ones that objected.

The proof of the pudding is when there is announcement of Summer routes 24 ?

Pain in the R's 12th Sep 2023 20:18

There has been plenty of announcements at Southend but many still view the airport as failing.

SouthernAlliance 12th Sep 2023 21:31


Originally Posted by Pain in the R's (Post 11501757)
There has been plenty of announcements at Southend but many still view the airport as failing.

Difference being SOU has a very healthy and long standing domestic schedule of near on 30 departures per day, something SEN can only dream of. Add to that some expected holiday/European city destinations and you have an airport that is very much not failing and will most likely hit 1m pax per annum within 12/18 months!

Pain in the R's 13th Sep 2023 05:00

Agreed. SOU existing routes are the bedrock of its operations and will remain so. We all await with great anticipation to see what will happen in the next 12 to 24 months. Getting new routes will not be an issue as surely they will come but the big question is will they be successful, as U.K. plc faces some challenging times ahead and there might well be some consolidation next summer.

An issue is that with no announcements forthcoming passengers are already booking their Gatwick flights for next year, business that could have come to Southampton.

SouthernAlliance 13th Sep 2023 19:26

Aer Lingus - BHD goes x 3 daily from 29th October. No news as yet of Loganair taking on MAN x 3 daily!

uptoncol 14th Sep 2023 07:03

EasyJet summer 2024
 
Well EasyJet have released flights up until September 2024 this morning,still no new destinations from Southampton ☹️

SWBKCB 14th Sep 2023 07:27


Originally Posted by uptoncol (Post 11502525)
Well EasyJet have released flights up until September 2024 this morning,still no new destinations from Southampton ☹️

Does that include any new flights anywhere else, or just a roll over of the exisitng timetable? They tend to save launches of new routes and announce them separaretly

stewyb 14th Sep 2023 07:27


Originally Posted by uptoncol (Post 11502525)
Well EasyJet have released flights up until September 2024 this morning,still no new destinations from Southampton ☹️

New routes are released separate, these will be announced in the coming weeks!

Sotonsean 14th Sep 2023 15:56


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 11502533)
New routes are released separate, these will be announced in the coming weeks!

In the coming weeks 🤔

And you're absolutely convinced in your mind that any announcement by EasyJet will include Southampton.

I'm hoping like everything else on this thread that any announcement by EasyJet regarding new routes will include Southampton. But tbh I'm not as optimistic as you and several others are regarding this.

If EasyJet were to announce a range of new flights from Southampton I'm absolutely sure that they would have announced it by now. Schedules for Summer 2024 at Southampton would surely be available by now if EasyJet were as serious as you try and make out.

In previous post's you have more or less given the impression that you have some kind of inside knowledge. After reading the same same in nearly every post I'm under the impression that your not engaged with any "inside knowledge".

It's all hear say and totally based on unfounded rumours. As I've previously mentioned on several occasions, until there is an official announcement by EasyJet regarding any new routes from Southampton it's all wishful thinking.

FYI....one of the reasons why I gave up plane registration spotting in the early 1980s was because of the totally unfounded rumours that were continous and annoying.

Dropoffcharge 14th Sep 2023 16:14


Originally Posted by Sotonsean (Post 11502814)
In the coming weeks 🤔

And you're absolutely convinced in your mind that any announcement by EasyJet will include Southampton.

I'm hoping like everything else on this thread that any announcement by EasyJet regarding new routes will include Southampton. But tbh I'm not as optimistic as you and several others are regarding this.

If EasyJet were to announce a range of new flights from Southampton I'm absolutely sure that they would have announced it by now. Schedules for Summer 2024 at Southampton would surely be available by now if EasyJet were as serious as you try and make out.

In previous post's you have more or less given the impression that you have some kind of inside knowledge. After reading the same same in nearly every post I'm under the impression that your not engaged with any "inside knowledge".

It's all hear say and totally based on unfounded rumours. As I've previously mentioned on several occasions, until there is an official announcement by EasyJet regarding any new routes from Southampton it's all wishful thinking.

FYI....one of the reasons why I gave up plane registration spotting in the early 1980s was because of the totally unfounded rumours that were continous and annoying.

Thats way too constructive and sensible a reply/view, may you be banished from this thread forever with that kind of negative thinking!!! 😉😂

Of course though, you are 100% correct, is far too many dreamers on here only believing there own made up fantasies......

What will be will be.......

Dropoffcharge 14th Sep 2023 16:23


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 11502533)
these will be announced in the coming weeks!

Spill the beans then, we won't dob you in. 🤐 You obviously have a direct link with the powers that be at EasyJet, seeing as you are so well informed on everything, or perhaps you've promised them not to say anything untill the official announcement happens....🤣

LTNman 14th Sep 2023 19:14

If they had already decided to operate summer routes from Southampton why would they delay the announcement so costing them sales?

SWBKCB 14th Sep 2023 19:18


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11502894)
If they had already decided to operate summer routes from Southampton why would they delay the announcement so costing them sales?

An arguement that could be applied at every airport about every airline - will we see no announcements from anybody anywhere about next summer, then?


stewyb 14th Sep 2023 19:48

To be clear, post #2018 on easyjet releasing new routes in the next few weeks and after their scheduled release this morning was factual in that this has always been the case and the very same each year, I did not suggest this was related to SOU in any way. Let’s wait and see what is announced, if anything, for the airport and if I am wrong and nothing materialises, I am big and ugly enough to admit my mistake. Until then!

Sotonsean 14th Sep 2023 21:06


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 11502912)
To be clear, post #2018 on easyjet releasing new routes in the next few weeks and after their scheduled release this morning was factual in that this has always been the case and the very same each year, I did not suggest this was related to SOU in any way. Let’s wait and see what is announced, if anything, for the airport and if I am wrong and nothing materialises, I am big and ugly enough to admit my mistake. Until then!

Unlike yourself I'm actually not big and I'm definitely not ugly but I await the day when you are able to admit your many mistakes on this thread. Until then!

BTW, In my honest opinion your credibility rating on this thread was rather high at one point, what happened for it to deteriorate so quickly 🤔

Dropoffcharge 15th Sep 2023 12:57


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 11490674)
However the first real test will be next summer when easyjet will be running a much larger program from the airport and could have multiple arrivals at once!


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 11495592)
However we can expect something fairly soon and will no doubt draw away a certain percentage of BOH regulars, interesting times!


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 11502912)
To be clear, post #2018 on easyjet releasing new routes in the next few weeks and after their scheduled release this morning was factual in that this has always been the case and the very same each year, I did not suggest this was related to SOU in any way

Well that was a sudden back track (no pun intended) I draw attention to two of your previous posts of you suggesting EasyJet are VERY much related to SOU in S24......🤔🤷‍♂️

RW20 15th Sep 2023 14:00


Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge (Post 11503281)
Well that was a sudden back track (no pun intended) I draw attention to two of your previous posts of you suggesting EasyJet are VERY much related to SOU in S24......🤔🤷‍♂️

The problem is and will always be is that due to SOU opening times there will never be a LCC base at the airport. Then down the road at BOH these restrictions dont exist,hence there ever increasing destinations and PAX numbers. Im not sure how this will effect SOU short term,but they will not be able to get back to profit without LCC operations.

SouthernAlliance 15th Sep 2023 14:20


Originally Posted by RW20 (Post 11503306)
The problem is and will always be is that due to SOU opening times there will never be a LCC base at the airport. Then down the road at BOH these restrictions dont exist,hence there ever increasing destinations and PAX numbers. Im not sure how this will effect SOU short term,but they will not be able to get back to profit without LCC operations.

That doesn’t however deter airlines from operating non based flying, easyjet included. Think we all need to wait and see what if anything is announced. All I will say is that because EZY have already added some additional winter flying to the airport, this potentially bodes well for them also trying some summer schedules now the runway is complete!

Sotonsean 15th Sep 2023 18:44


Originally Posted by SouthernAlliance (Post 11503314)
That doesn’t however deter airlines from operating non based flying, easyjet included. Think we all need to wait and see what if anything is announced. All I will say is that because EZY have already added some additional winter flying to the airport, this potentially bodes well for them also trying some summer schedules now the runway is complete!

Or it might be the case that with EasyJet discontinuing those "additional winter flying to the airport" for summer 2024 it might not bode well for them also trying summer schedules regardless of the fact that the runway extension is now complete 🤔

Those looking for their summer flights are looking elsewhere to fly from. EasyJet will have the data for them to target a local audience. If they felt there was a captive audience surely a company like EasyJet would have announced something by now.

It would have been a major announcement by the airline if they decided on expanding their ops at Southampton. The fact that they haven't yet done so regardless of the fact that the runway extension is now completed leads me to believe that they won't.

As I have mentioned on numerous occasions, until EasyJet make an official statement it's all hearsay and unfounded rumours. The topic is brought up by the same individuals over and over again. It's tedious and boring and dare I say it getting rather childish.

I know this topic more or less keeps this thread alive but enough is enough.

Perhaps it's a good idea to put the topic to sleep for now and wait for EasyJet to wake us all up as and when they feel like making any official announcement.


cavokblues 15th Sep 2023 19:07

I've no idea if Easy will or won't but there is still plenty of time for them to announce something. When they relaunched Southend to Malaga and Palma for summer '22 they only announced it the previous December. When Jet2 launched their Bristol base they only announced it the previous November.

RW20 15th Sep 2023 20:10


Originally Posted by cavokblues (Post 11503424)
I've no idea if Easy will or won't but there is still plenty of time for them to announce something. When they relaunched Southend to Malaga and Palma for summer '22 they only announced it the previous December. When Jet2 launched their Bristol base they only announced it the previous November.

Both these airports have one specific advantage over SOU, i.e. Operational hours!

SWBKCB 15th Sep 2023 20:32

What's the relevance of operating hours to when airlines announce new routes?

RW20 15th Sep 2023 21:29


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11503446)
What's the relevance of operating hours to when airlines announce new routes?

Simply For LCC to operate from Southampton they need the flexability of landing after 23-00 when delays occur,its costly to divert to other airports.

SouthernAlliance 15th Sep 2023 23:03


Originally Posted by Sotonsean (Post 11503417)
Or it might be the case that with EasyJet discontinuing those "additional winter flying to the airport" for summer 2024 it might not bode well for them also trying summer schedules regardless of the fact that the runway extension is now complete 🤔

Those looking for their summer flights are looking elsewhere to fly from. EasyJet will have the data for them to target a local audience. If they felt there was a captive audience surely a company like EasyJet would have announced something by now.

It would have been a major announcement by the airline if they decided on expanding their ops at Southampton. The fact that they haven't yet done so regardless of the fact that the runway extension is now completed leads me to believe that they won't.

As I have mentioned on numerous occasions, until EasyJet make an official statement it's all hearsay and unfounded rumours. The topic is brought up by the same individuals over and over again. It's tedious and boring and dare I say it getting rather childish.

I know this topic more or less keeps this thread alive but enough is enough.

Perhaps it's a good idea to put the topic to sleep for now and wait for EasyJet to wake us all up as and when they feel like making any official announcement.

Just an observation but your postings could also be construed as tedious and boring, you clearly have nothing positive to say about the airport even though your username suggests otherwise

Sotonsean 15th Sep 2023 23:11


Originally Posted by SouthernAlliance (Post 11503493)
Just an observation but your postings could also be construed as tedious and boring, you clearly have nothing positive to say about the airport even though your username suggests otherwise

I'm very positive about my local airport. I first visited my local airport in 1969. I started my interest in aviation at my local airport aged 7 in 1972. I've supported the airport throughout my adult life.

But

The continous post's regarding unfounded rumours from those that assume they know better is in fact getting extremely tedious and boring.

Just an observation, construed 🤔

I'm just stating the actual facts, as obvious as they are.

LTNman 16th Sep 2023 05:28

There are those without any inside information that can make a good educated guess as to what is going to happen. Due to their certainty they then start a rumour as there is a good chance they will be correct. This is done to increase their own standing as someone in the know.

A clue to what they know can be deduced, as to whether they are indeed insiders, by looking at their track record. For instance did they predict EasyJet’s new winter only domestic program to Southampton weeks in advance of its announcement?

cavokblues 16th Sep 2023 06:42


Originally Posted by RW20 (Post 11503462)
Simply For LCC to operate from Southampton they need the flexability of landing after 23-00 when delays occur,its costly to divert to other airports.

Completely agree it's prohibitive for a base. But look at SEN's flights from Malaga and Palma - predominantly early morning and mid afternoon arrivals. I think that's the best Southampton can hope for at this point, a few arrivals from away based aircraft well away from the curfew. Whether that's enough to fill their financial hole, who knows?

Asturias56 16th Sep 2023 07:13

"Just an observation but your postings could also be construed as tedious and boring, you clearly have nothing positive to say about the airport even though your username suggests otherwise"

I though Sean was the biggest SOU fan boy on here -

Clearly wrong - he and his friends in the People's Judean Front are clearly sell out traitors according to Southern Alliance and his mates in the Front for the Liberation of......................

;)


SWBKCB 16th Sep 2023 07:21


Originally Posted by RW20 (Post 11503462)
Simply For LCC to operate from Southampton they need the flexability of landing after 23-00 when delays occur,its costly to divert to other airports.

But the comment you quoted related to a discussion about launch dates. You comment might be relevant if the discussion had been about opening a base, which it wasn't. :ok:

And both SEN and BOH have operating hours restrictions.


RW20 16th Sep 2023 07:44


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11503571)
But the comment you quoted related to a discussion about launch dates. You comment might be relevant if the discussion had been about opening a base, which it wasn't. :ok:

And both SEN and BOH have operating hours restrictions.

In the case of BOH,just look at the arrivals board and you will see regular late arrivals sometimes after midnight,so the restictions dont limit its operations!


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