Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 11230330)
Why does the very survival of the airport depend on a marginal runway extension? SOU's core bread and butter will surely remain what it has done well with in recent years? That is one VERY constrained site very close to Gatwick. It is what it is and that's fine, there's nothing wrong in being a decent niche.
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Originally Posted by Pain in the R's
(Post 11230396)
It doesn’t. I doubt the extra flights a longer runway would bring would cover the cost of the extension. It is not as if SOU has an abundance of spare stands.
on a side note, I don’t know why the airport etc don’t make a point that larger planes are a good thing. For a start it could result in less flights. Rather than 4/5 flights a day with Logan it could be 2 with Easy. So less flights annoying residents. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if if A320Ns are quieter than the likes of ERJs. Maybe someone can fine the noise levels of various aircraft. |
The market seems to want frequency though - I don't think the concept of replacing four flights a day with two bigger ones will strike a chord with many passengers.
And on the local noise levels, if they could sort out the bloody arrival routings onto R20 then that would be a good start. It can't help anyone. |
Allowing bigger aircraft so 4 small aircraft can be turned into 2 larger aircraft as a way to reduce noise is the oldest airport trick in the book. Once you have a longer runway, those 2 large aircraft invariably turns into 4 large aircraft.
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The point is however that the airport just don’t have the space for many larger aircraft. In the latest plans there are only 4 A320 size stands being made available so I think an operation like SEN have currently with EZY, ie based aircraft from the Med operating several times a week will be about your lot. Just don’t see where else they can put them all in the short term!
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Originally Posted by Saabdriver1
(Post 11235277)
........And on the local noise levels, if they could sort out the bloody arrival routings onto R20 then that would be a good start. It can't help anyone.
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RIVET JOINT, the noise levels for the ERJ-145 are around 78.7db versus a classic Airbus A320 of 82.7db (according to a report by the points guy). I don't have data for an A320NEO.
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
(Post 11235348)
RIVET JOINT, the noise levels for the ERJ-145 are around 78.7db versus a classic Airbus A320 of 82.7db (according to a report by the points guy). I don't have data for an A320NEO.
As to frequencies being preferable for business routes, that is a good point, but probably not post covid. Flexible working is the norm now and about time. Morning and evening flights to GLA, MAN, EDI etc would probably be fine. |
Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
(Post 11235317)
If you are referring to what in my working days I referred to as a "Winchester 2 arrival", whereby you get to see Winchester twice due to the orbit to lose height, that hopefully is coming. However due to the tortuosly slow Airpace Change Proposal process (delayed by Covid 19) currently taking place it could be a year or more away. To the current airport owner's credit they are the first to put up the money to get it sorted, so maybe are serious about a long term future for the airport?
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TCAS FAN, thank you. Yes, it was the "Winchester Wheel" I meant. Rivet Joint, most airports do have a standard arrival routing which involves some type of traditional base leg onto finals. This is a full 360 orbit which is a time-wasting, fuel-burning, noise-generating pain in the a**e.
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Originally Posted by Saabdriver1
(Post 11235450)
TCAS FAN, thank you. Yes, it was the "Winchester Wheel" I meant. Rivet Joint, most airports do have a standard arrival routing which involves some type of traditional base leg onto finals. This is a full 360 orbit which is a time-wasting, fuel-burning, noise-generating pain in the a**e.
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Have Eastern just decided to take a holiday on SOU/MAN? Poster on another thread mentioned no flights last week but it seems
to be more than that - next available flight is 5 June and even that is at full fare only. Doubting that it’s nearly full, it suggests impending cancellation. What’s going on ? |
Originally Posted by Albert Hall
(Post 11237441)
Have Eastern just decided to take a holiday on SOU/MAN? Poster on another thread mentioned no flights last week but it seems
to be more than that - next available flight is 5 June and even that is at full fare only. Doubting that it’s nearly full, it suggests impending cancellation. What’s going on ? |
Not for the summer they haven’t
They can barely keep to the busy schedule here in Jersey that has just started All there aircraft are fully committed |
Originally Posted by SKOJB
(Post 11237482)
The purple planes taking over?
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The purple planes taking over?
Sorry , thought you were talking about Blue Islands ! |
Ryanair won't go near SOU. Their focus on the south coast is BOH. They are not interested in the high charges at AGS airports. Ripped their aircraft and routes from GLA for that very reason.
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It wants to be able to handle larger planes, carrying more passengers. The type of planes used by EasyJet or Ryanair to take people on sunshine holidays to Mediterranean beaches. Just had a quick look and according to Airbus and Lufthansa the neo is around 50% quieter than the classic. |
Originally Posted by Rusty Irish
(Post 11237889)
Ryanair won't go near SOU. Their focus on the south coast is BOH. They are not interested in the high charges at AGS airports. Ripped their aircraft and routes from GLA for that very reason.
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Rusty Irish seems to have a particular vendetta against GLA and AGS. Ryanair did move its based aircraft out of GLA but still has a reasonable presence at both GLA and ABZ. Whether it could be more is a question for Ryanair and AGS - not everyone wants growth at any cost.
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